Speaking personally, I've always preferred pink lips.................

[quote="Rudolph Hucker"]Just spotted that eleven of the Sale team who played against Harlequins did not/refused to comply with the knee and this decision is now being classed as racist. As previously mentioned, at what point is a line drawn?

quicker the line is drawn the better. end it all now. like the NHS clap it was possibly ok at the time for some but went on too long.

Ye
They had more than enuf coverage now
Boring.
Abide by the law and u don't attract trouble.

Any black players thinking of signing for Pools and doing a bit of "due diligence" on social media about whether Pools fans have a tendency to racism wouldn't need to go much further than this board to get their answer loud and clear.

One day people will realise that Pools fans criticise everybody, whatever their colour or race.
We have been hammering players from the terraces for decades and now do it on social media as well.
There's probably ten times more white players been targetted than black players at the Vic over the years I've been going.
It's not racism towards any particular background, colour, country or creed. (apart from Darlo)
If yer average Poolie saw that a child was in danger he would, without thinking, go to that child's aid, no matter what the kid looked like or where he or she was from.
We judge the person first and the rest second and we all matter. There are thousands of disadvantaged white kids in this country as well as black kids and they all matter. well they do to me.
Peter Kioso got no abuse but Steve Howard got crucified. We don't discriminate, we judge accordingly without any thought of racism. You will of course get the odd one, you always do but to paint Poolies and the Vic as a hotbed of racism is in itself unwanted and undeserved abuse.
My general philosophy is if a player is good enough he gets the shirt. I never ask what he looks like or where he's from or which religion he follows. Why would I want to???

Behave uself .
Any player who signs for Pools gets 100% support of our fans.

Only get greef if u take the piss n put the shirt on without giving 100% commitment.
That's any player whatever so called colour.

Social media isent the real world that's why some managers don't like players using it.

Well said Mr Derwent.

Reply was for PEL
Derwent

Yes mate I realised that.

Whoosh! You all seem to have missed my point, perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. I put it on this thread for a reason. So what you're saying is that a black player who was thinking of signing for Pools and wanted to check out whether there are racist fans would read this thread and come to the conclusion that there aren't any racist fans and everyone is treated equally? That's astonishing to me and I reckon you're kidding yourself if you believe that.

I've been following Pools for over 50 years btw and wasn't talking about support of the team/individual players in my comment (which I thought was clear). I was talking about what impression a visitor to this board would get on your thoughts and views on racism. Maybe ask some of your black mates to read the thread and see what they say?

Never seen it myself mate and i'm a regular loid visitor....seen a few hard left wing race baiters on here though.

What are your thoughts on the Dawn Butler racial profiling case poolieeastlondon ??

Dawn Butler is signing for Pools? You think you've seen it all....

I'm sure Owen Jones and the likes will be proud of you mr poolieineastlondon.

I'm not quite sure the length of time you've been a Pools supporter is relevant but if it is I'll quote my 68 years of support. August 1952 until now.

All people are doing on this thread are voicing an opinion on the subject of bending the knee. No one has come out and abused any black person. No one on this board, as far as I can remember, has ever said he objected to the club signing a black player or he wouldn't support a player because he is black. So what makes you think a black player would be put off. Have you any evidence that ANY player has been put off joining Pools because of reading the Bunker????

Can you tell me one black player who has been abused by the crowd whilst wearing a Pools shirt, simply because he is black. Players who don't perform to the fans liking get stick and always will. That applies to ALL players, regardless of race or colour and it applies at all football stadia. Tell me one poster on here who has abused a Pools player simple because he is black.

You are doing the club and it's supporters an injustice and the playing of this particular racist card really has to stop.

If you think it's right to bend the knee then I respect your right to do so but only if you respect the right of others to refrain from doing so. That's freedom of choice not racist.

Mr east London Derwent and Sussex are racists so don’t bother

Nah, Compo......you're the racist.

[I'm not quite sure the length of time you've been a Pools supporter is relevant but if it is I'll quote my 68 years of support. August 1952 until now.

The reason I said how long I'd been supporting Pools is because in an earlier post you were saying how Pools fans support the team - I was trying to say that I know this and wasn't disputing it (of course that wasn't what I was talking talking about in my posts on this thread). All I've done is ask a simple question which is something like, "do you think some of the threads/posts on this board might deter some players from signing for Pools if prospective players looked at them?". You don't seem to think that they would and I disagree with you. That was all.

lack of support for sportsmen taking the knee does not make a person racist whatsoever. neither does that dover game makes the vic a bastion of right wing behavior which for years will be used to bash pools fans. if they are good it would not bother me if we had a full team of black lads. what would bother me just as much is the fact of not being allowed to give em stick if they were shit on the pitch by some fans. black or white if a player is shit then they are shit and if fans think they deserve some grief then so be it.

I haven't said any of that. I've asked a simple question about how threads and posts on this board could come across. I accept, in the face of all the evidence above, that I'm wasting my time.

I would like an England player to take a stand and not sing the national anthem. Has anyone noticed how they all sing it these days, they never all participated in the past, its like they are being forced or pressurised to sing it, to not sing it would probably mean the end of their international careers. You are not telling me there is not a footballer, especially a black one, who objects to the singing of this empirical, nationalistic , out of date shite?

Why wouldn't a decent person want to take the knee and support fellow sportsmen and women, in this case Black ones in their fight against racism , discrimination and prejudice. Most people would do it if only just for an easy life rather than not do it. I think its fair to assume anyone who didnt do it, is either a racist , not a nice person or as thick as mince.

Perhaps it is a waste of time asking the question, young fella.
The only person who can really answer your question is someone faced with the prospect of becoming a Pools player.
I have never heard of any player turning Pools down because of racism. Many other things but not racism.
If I was a black player approached by the club and I wanted to do "due diligence" as you put it, I wouldn't take my cue from the bunker or any other forum. I would look at the number of black players the club employ or have employed and start my due diligence there.
In my experience Pools fans have always treat our black players quite well and I hope that continues to be the case.
I really do think we have to stop fuelling this.
I have no objection to people bending the knee or not. It's a fella's choice. I don't think there should be any pressure either way however.
I can't think of any black player we've had who was racially abused by the fans while he played for us.
Tony Parry was one of the first and he was revered.
There is nothing on here that demonstrates any abuse of any individual black player or black players in general so what prompts you to consider that there is a danger of us putting black players off.

https://twitter.com/ASK_des/status/1296709418323791872



Jez and Compo ??

Pathetic response, not surprised though.

Answer these questions . are you a racist? Do you support taking the knee as a way of highlighting the problems black people face in everyday life ? Do you believe all lives matter, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation etc etc? Do you believe white people , especailly Englsih white people are better than everyone else. therefore more worthy and deserving of the standard of living they enjoy, , even the thickest most undeserving of them?

Upset your little cult's leader PJ have i horden?

No i'm not racist.find the post..All lives matter.

How long you do the One Knee Thing should go on..forever??

What has PJ got to do with anything ? i think he probably disliked me as much as he did you. You could count the true left wingers on this board on one hand , i am one of them , but the likes of PJ and the rest who have left the board weren't left wingers or in a cult, far from it. They just challenged and called BoJo out for his poor handling of Covid 19 , it was then those that supported BoJo that created this myth of lefties and cults, not just incorrect but pathetic really. Anyway you never answered my questions. Saying All lives matter just doesnt cut it Sussex.

If you really believe All lives matter then you should be a fully paid up Socialist , but I don't think you really do. Every decent person believes All lives matter , but in this case those that say All lives matter in response to someone saying Black lives matter only serves to highlight the closet racists behind the All lives matter response.

I think the One Knee should go on until the end of the season , the point will by then have been made, then we start the new season without it.

thats another subject but you are correct. i only stand if its being played but never sing it. i only stand because there is a time and a place to discuss reasons for not standing. quicker a new one comes out that includes the beauty of our land and the struggles of all the communities in the land the better it will be. doubt any other country has one that is based upon one person who inherited a post.

how long is it now since it first started. if it did go on all season it will be then over 12 months since the incident that kicked the whole thing off. the incident did not happen in this country either. if it had not happened in the USA anyway i doubt it would have reached the publicity in this country that it did. some are obsessed by many things from that country which got somewhat of a free ride regarding racism in the south african days of apartheid. everyone knows about BLM by now. there is a good chance of doing the knee for so long could get some bad crowd reaction somewhere in the country and then the shit will start once again.

It's about time I came clean.
I'm not a racist.
I'm a true Socialist.( just like Rishi Sunak)
I am not a sheep(and I don't like shagging them)
Hartlepool United is my favourite footy team.
West Hartlepool RUFC is my favourite Rugby team.
Durham is my favourite cricket team.
The Bunker is my favourite forum.
I'd like to shag Nicole Kidman ( at least once)
My favourite sports accessory is a photo of Corbyn on my dart board.
I think Peter Kioso should be made Pope.
My favourite Pools player of all time is Tommy McGuigan.
My top three cricketers are Gary Sobers, Ben Stokes and Ian Botham.
I think all lives matter but with exceptions.....eg. child molesters etc.

I like olives. A lot of people don't though. Good for you.

For clarification, i meant end of the 19/20 season

Any suggestions for a new national anthem horden??..anything to keep you happy.

Its the BBC continuing with their woke agenda.[/quote]




Have they replaced the conductor at Last night at the proms with a Russian yet?

I tend to go along with Derwent's summary of events. It's a personal choice and abstaining does not necessarily indicate any disrespect to the cause. To quote af, "If a player is shit then they are shit". Nowt to do with the individuals colour at all.

I have shared a pint with Poolies prior to matches at the Vic and watched the game from several parts of the ground. In addition, I have mingled with them at many away games up and down the country over the years and can genuinely say that I have never been aware of any racist comment directed at one of our players. Why would anyone? Surely we are there to support them and any such comments would be counterproductive.

Speaking from a personal point of view, I have enjoyed the company of many West Indians and Asians through playing cricket and football with and against them. In addition, I have worked with them plus many people from assorted African nations and enjoyed a very positive experience. Dare I say, I have also got to know a couple of their ladies "rather well" in the past. If any of that transfers into me being a racist, I think I ought to consult the old Dick 'n 'Arry to sort fings aart.

The main point of my earlier comment was to emphasize the way this whole thing has spread to ridiculous proportions. The woman making the "blue" comment even attempted to bring the word 'yellow' into her views (as in yellow jaundice). At that rate, why not extend her thinking to 'scarlet fever', 'vibration white finger' and so on. If any of you would like to come on here and explain to me how the word 'blue' can be thought racist in any shape or form then I would be more than happy to listen to you.

Did anyone watch the Wakefield v Catalans Rugby League match yesterday? I didn't but caught the early stages. No mention of the knee or one in sight but a dignified minutes silence was observed to show respect to all those poor souls who have lost their lives as a result of the virus. To my mind, equally if not more fitting as the virus has no respect for an individuals race and, from memory, the unfortunate victims, in the early days at least, were disproportionately "people of colour".

Incidentally PIEL, do you live in Walthamstow? If so, I possibly 'sort of' know you from our travels.

just start with a blank sheet of music and compose another. ask musicians to compose their own stuff and we could have a new saturday night tele programme where the country could decide. pity a word change to a proper tune men of harlach cannot be used. funny how in a country of 4 nations the welsh have the best tunes.

Careful. I see that the Beeb are considering the removal of Land Of Hope And Glory and Rule Britannia from The Last Night At The Proms. Guess why? Because the words are considered to be offensive to black people along with the flag-waving. British history and culture are being eroded before our very eyes.

Try selling that one around the world, particularly "The Greatest Nation On Earth". Apart from roads of houses each displaying "The Flag", they insert it at any and every opportunity into e.g. their TV programmes when it has absolutely no reason for its appearance. It is shown in the middle of an ordinary conversation, a reflection in a window, a small one on a shelf behind an individual, on some indeterminate building etc. Why, even the genius at their helm wears a small one in his lapel, presumably to remind himself of the country he supposedly represents. I've long held the belief that it's real purpose is a subliminal message to remind the watcher that they are, ahem, the "Greatest Nation" for violence, racism, inequality blah, blah oh, and the virus. It's called brainwashing. I cannot see any other reason for its incessant inclusion.

This is tiresome - Horden and I have clashed numerous times over political views but we both support Pools in every way possible. I disagree with him on so many issues - but I've never sensed him being a racist. Sussex trying to wind Horden as a racist is simply pathetic.

Wind horden up ? Yes...call him a racist? .....he doesn't want our national anthem played.what does he suggest we play before a game, or is he calling for a FIFA ban on all national anthems ?..yeah ,all very racist.

And just wtf has had international career ended because they never sang the national anthem?..none of them can remember the words anyway..but now there's evil forces out there pressurising them

I believe ordinary decent people are just getting sick of all this BLM and losing sympathy with them. They are going too far with no consideration of the majority, we used to joke about black pudding, ba ba black sheep etc but the way these people are going we don’t know what they’ll want stopping next.
Please play Land of Hope and Glory at the next Pools game and I’ll stand up and sing it. Oh I forgot I don’t know the words.

And now they are at it again in Wiscontin.
Peace not violence.

Last Night of the Proms..............
Have often watched it for entertainment value but is it not just a load of BoJo mates sticking two fingers up to the rest of us?
These would "spice" up the last night of the proms.

Harry Maguire found guilty.
Upon his arrest said.
Do u know who I am
I am very rich
The leader of Man Utd
while trying to buy his way out of his overpriced piss up.
Crank

maguire still pleading his innocence. just wish i,d been there to see the incident. would not trust greek courts to be honest.

https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/posts/3213821555403172/

Disgraceful behaviour but seems to be the norm now over the pond.
Fully behind Trump's stance of
You start looting We start shooting.

How anyone can support and defend BLM after watching scenes like that is beyond me. For most its just a excuse to go out smash things up and get a new tv or a pair or 10 new trainers, i dont know what they want does anyone know or what to enlighten me

lets just leave it over there as well. its this obsession some have in this country with the usa which is the problem. something that goes on over there is nothing to do with us and the lives of everyone who lives in this country. lets get our problems sorted out before we go down the road of the yanks.