I am aware that I have been involved in point scoring (we all have) but it has to stop. It is getting us nowhere. But if you want to continue with it, carry on, I'm game.
On the best pal crack, that is purely and simply an out and out lie, which makes you an out and out liar. can't use any other word, sorry. Being an out and out liar suggests you are in the same camp as the other out and out liar..........maybe he's YOUR best pal eh ???
The rest of your comments are just re-iterating the same old same old same old rhetoric that remainers have been spouting for three and a half years.
We've moved on and now have bigger problems to solve not least of which is making a meaningful opposition to the tories.
You can stick in the mud for as long as you like and leave the battle to the rest of us or you can join in. It really is the only choice you've got.

It’s another thing Johnson is getting away and brainwashing people into actually believing to be the truth.

The Conservative party had a majority in 2017 and a mandate to deliver Brexit they foolishly called a general election when they didn’t even to and to use a Johnson phrase spaffed that majority up the wall.

It is not the fault of people that voted Remain that Brexit has gone nowhere in three and half years. That sits solely at the feet of the Conservative Party. Johnson himself voted against 96% of his ‘own’ withdrawal agreement twice. From the start it was about him becoming Prime Minister, even from his reasoning of positioning himself as leaver very late in the day. It’s staggering that he appears to be getting away with being painted as some sort of savior of democracy and Brexit, it’s comical how gullible some people can be.

The whole thing is the fault of the conservative party, right from day one when Cameron started the job. That is history and we are all aware of it but you, or anyone else, continuously bleating on about it is not going to change it.
We all need to concentrate on creating a viable alternative to the tories and at least a viable opposition, instead of harping back to what is now history.
Concentrate on what we can do, instead of what we can't do.
Continue calling the electorate gullible as much as you like, if that's what floats yer boat, but I can't see how you are going to convince or convert anybody by such tactics.
As I said it needs to stop and we all need to come together.

I am not trying convert anybody that isn’t my job I am simply stating what is happening before our eyes.

What is the purpose of that, PJ. We can all see what's happening. The information is at every turn.
We all know what is going to happen, we've just had ten years of it.
Johnson is saying he is going to change it. No one believes him BUT it would be an improvement if he did achieve that. None of us are holding our breath.
We have no alternative than to watch and wait BUT we can turn our energies to trying to create a viable alternative which appeals to the electorate.
If everybody concentrates on that we might just have a chance.
Or we can continue to take the piss out of each other, wind each other up and amass as many points as necessary to smugify our faces.
Which is it to be????

Are you suggesting the Bunker sets up a new political party?

Beyond that I think you are overstating our influence a little bit we’re just a few gadgies talking on a message board. Are you saying stop talking about what’s happening? I’m not sure what that achieves to be honest!

No I'm not suggesting we set up a new party.

The only thing we can do if we are to influence anything is to join the labour party, although I accept that isn't everyone's cup of tea.

Or we can do nothing and keep on whinging which is the most likely but it is getting a little repetitive but hey, if that's what people want then fine but I am not sure that will achieve anything either.

I suppose it will just run it's course as usual.

Maybe i'm aiming too high but I prefer doing something rather than whinging.

23 pages of pure camel shite.
We live in the best country in the world despite the immigration debacle n 7 months of poor weather.

Keep St George in my heart till my dying days haha

He’s consistently an ignorant and thick contributor it’s not seasonal.

Little Britain.

It has run it`s course, just petty shite now.

It’s a politics thread at least it keeps it in one place so the people who don’t want to read or contribute don’t have to?

Like your ‘joke’ threads?

Have you joined yet????

Immigration debacle? When was that? I must have missed it.

Me too. Gutted.

No,not mushrooms but you said you were considering joining the labour party.

I have joined as well and I've got two others thinking about it.

I have been a Labour voter all of my life, but have never been a party member. Maybe time has come for me to finally join, and do my little bit to fight the evil that is the Conservative party.

You dont need to join the labour party to heat the tories. You just have to vote for them. Even if the leader isn't to your taste. Otherwise you get what we have now.

All the likes of Derwent and his neo-liberal cronies ever needed to do was join the party on mass and then vote against the evil Pol Pot Corbyn in the leadership election, but neo-liberals generally don't have the same passion of those on the left and are usually too greedy to part with 30 quid just to make a point.

Young people joining the party on mass got Corbyn in, if the those on the right want a neo-liberal in to carry on the good work of the tories, then they know what they have to do.

Like was said earlier in the thread. If the election was for those aged 40 or under labour would have had a massive majority. The point being here that vast age range didnt have an issue with corbyn.

But of course that age range dont control the media. That's controlled by the older range and it's the older range that are clearly the ones taken in by the lies the media spewed about corbyn.

And we thought it was young people who are gullible.

Dead right Horden, and we're doing it.
Your Communist/ anti semitic racist lot have absolutely destroyed the party as an electoral force and it's now time to get a bit of realism into the game. Don't worry we'll sort it out.
Up the Neo Liberals.
Why don't you get your Russian friends to buy you a few newspapers, apparently that does the trick.
As for WFA's( the biggest recruiting sergeant in the tory party) under forties, which he definitely isn't. Tell them to form their own party and hey ho all our problems will be solved.
Fairy tales rule at this time of year.
Here's another one....Once upon a time there were three bears.....

I want my country to look after its own just like every other country in the rest of the world does.
Only on the Bunker could that me misinterpretated as idiotic racism.
I had a mushroom omelette for me breakfast and it was magic.

Nobody has ever actually explained how you get your country back and where’s it actually gone?

Who are our own? And what constitutes our own?

You really shouldn't post on here when you have been on the sherry again.

With your voting record and your wish for a hung parliament after a hung parliament provided such misery in seven out of the last nine years and your support for a communist, racist bunch of under forties ( your words) who have destroyed the only answer to the tories, you should hang your head in shame and disappear from any sort of political discussion.
You and people like you are the biggest friends the tories have got.

There is no logical way of discussing this with you. Are you taking drugs with the sherry?

Surely a well known shit stirring gobshyte like you are not stuck for words. You're losing your technique my friend.
Have a word with your usual advisors, they might have a few decent one liners for you to spout.
You are a serious political loser and I would shudder if I learnt you were voting for me.
I still like you though, Big D. X

If it's any comfort to you Boris seems to be enjoying himself on holiday.

Again I can only assume you have been drinking.

Of course I never said I supported a communist bunch of racist under 40s did I. That's just you misinterpreting again.

If what I said needs explaining again then it's time for you to be put out to grass.

But I must say your very angry opinion that its Labour who are the racist party would be amusing if it wasnt for the fact it is making you sound very very stupid.

Blah blah fecking blah.

On grass..........you, the party you voted for and Mr nice guy Corbyn et al are already out to grass only you haven't noticed that yet.
Total rejection by the electorate............ that is total rejection.
Has Your mate boris sent you a postcard yet????

Finally you admit you are a neo-liberal. When have neo-liberals ever changed anything for the good?. I prefer tories to your type, at least with tories you know who your enemy is. Now go and water the garden and polish your garden gnomes

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ssion=true

What a time to be alive!

I would love to know what a neo liberal is. I’m just going along with horden to humour him.
Agree with the Labour Party imploding.
We have got to get it electable.

This is what happens when major parties lean towards extremism. The two main parties have both moved further away from the centre in recent years and are now tit for tatting.
There is no centrist alternative anymore.
When the blairites owned the centre ground the far left and the far right were isolated. Now look at what we’ve got.
We have got to offer an alternative to extremism but according to the hard lefties like horden blairites are neo liberals, whatever that is, and are worse than tories.
What an absolute mess.

Aye,23 pages of PJ slagging off the country.

No just me caring about where I’m from because it means something to me.

Surely it would be easier for me to be smug about being out of it?

No PJ you just have to say get brexit done take back control and send the buggers back to be a true brit. A true brit in the tommy Robinson mould.

And isn't Tony Blair considered a war criminal? He never did find any WMDs did he? He got too much power and became worse than the tories. Believed his own hype and sent human beings to their deaths to satisfy his hunger for power.

Valiant.... saying that is your final point is the most intelligent contribution you have made so far. So let us see if you can keep your word.

There is no such thing as the far right.

The media has invented this bogey man, and fools like you fall for this bollocks.

A very compelling but depressing read that. Very accurate as well.

Excellent post madjohn

MJ, You missed important pieces out and glossed over others.

Labours policies were popular individually but when taken as a whole were rightly seen as ridiculous. People can count and when Corbyn magiced 60bn for waspie women he was laughed at by Labour supporters.

The terrorist loving accusations.
The mud stuck because it was absolutely true. He did cosy up to terrorists including the IRA and Hamas. There just isn’t any getting away from it. Yes Others met with McGuiness and Adams but Corbyn and his ilk actively supported them. Big difference.

His pathetic attempt to continue to smear Boris with an NHS sell off looked increasingly desperate the more he continued with it.

Brexit: labours position was simply laughable and undefendable.

Now Labour are kidding themselves that it was only Brexit and the party will do well if they elect Long Bailey and continue on the toxic momentum led road. Good luck with that; if they do it’ll be the end of Labour as a political force. Something else will be created in the centre ground. Boris is now in power for a Thatcher or Blair timescale and at the end of that Labour may or may not be around. Boris will increasingly be seen as the centrist that he is and that leaves Labours only route to be further left. That ways lies oblivion.

It’s perfectly imaginable that there will never be another Labour government.

Come on man. Johnson needs no help to be smeared. The bloke is an absolute cretin. The fact that teflon sticks more than him doesn't make it ok. I get it though. You dont care how big a racist he is or how many lies he tells because he is your man. Maybe you just lack any morals?

I agree though about labour. They may never get back into power. Too many right wing closet racists in this country that have been allowed to surface. Far more than I imagined.

As for johnson and power. Well. He has to get brexit done now. And he has to make sure those northern areas that have him that much power gets loads of cash spent on them. And that will be at the expense of some tory strongholds. Unless of course brexit isn't getting done in the way he promised and there wont be the cash available. Then the fun will start.

Pathetic. If they don’t agree with you then call them racists.

Final warning. You throw that mud at me once more and you’re out of here.

He called Johnson a racist which he most definitely is.

Tommy Robinson and his crowd not racist then? And have they endorsed the leader you love so?

And what mud was thrown at you? Surely you dont take Johnson being called racist personally? Final warning as well?