Praise be to the knuckledraggers.[/quote]




Cheers. Looking forward to my Gammon steak tonight.

The UK now has a very strong Conservative government so it makes no difference who the sitting MP is in the town.

I'll just leave this here.

Turkeys up and down the country are said to be delighted that they are now in a position to finally “get Christmas done.”
“We’ve been oven-ready for months.” A spokes-turkey told Hartlepool Life in an interview this morning.
“I’m just glad that we’ll be finally able to free ourselves of the shackles of advent and get on with the business of Christmas.”

“Once Christmas is out of the way we’re really looking forward to having loads of free range free time, fresh air and we’ll finally be able to get on with being brilliant turkeys free from the shackles of tyranny and other assorted stuff associated with living peacefully on a farm.”

“I’m told Christmas is brilliant. Don’t know what it is, but it’s definitely brilliant.”

England and Wales does. Scotland and NIreland dont. Thats a huge conundrum for your Boris to navigate.
Its not quite correct to claim the UK does.

Don't despair people, Johnson wont be able to get a deal, it will end up a no deal Brexit, accelerated decline will then kick in almost immediately , and in 2-3 years time Johnsons fan club will have closed down, that's assuming he is still around by then.

As much as I would like Johnson to fall on his sword that scenario would not be good for the majority of people. Not that I dont think many deserve just that. they do. But it wouldnt be good so I just hope that doesnt happen. The UK might never recover from such a decline.

The tory mayor for Teesside seems to be effective

How bad the Tories are?! Well these are the same awful Tories that Labour failed to beat. The tories even tried to do their bit by appointing a Theresa-I cant campaign for toffee-Maybot then a bumbling Boris. Did a party that kept wheeling out Diane Abbott and tried desperately to sit on the fence regarding Brexit really expect to win? Still it wasn't poor old Corbyns fault. All those millions of tory voters are stupid or gullible..... or they read the wrong newspapers or some other excuse. Corbyn is outta here. Good riddance. Good news for Great Britain and British politics.

Summed up rather well Mr Imp.

All the people criticising Johnson have to take the responsibility for putting him in power but they just can't fucking see it.
If they had the brains to see that they were being manipulated by corbyn and momentum and had the guts to reject their communist values, we would have a totally different outcome.
There are constituencies in this country that have Never been tory in the last hundred years, that's the last hundred fucking years, that are now blue thanks to corbyn and momentum.
And still people can't see it.
Kick the bastards out and get labour back to being a legitimate alternative, who are electable and can challenge the tories or look forward to decades of............................. put your own spin on it.

Anti bad language Derwent there.

Corbyn being gone is good news, the outcome of the election isn't.

Our country is still facing the same shit it did yesterday, and for somewhere like Hartlepool that shit looks quite grim.

Right. The people that voted for Johnson are responsible for putting him there. Not a few labour voters on the bunker who you seem to bizarrely think are responsible for putting corbyn in charge.

You also seem to think that we are going to have a vote on it despite being told numerous times that none if us are members if momentum or the labour party.

So do us all a favour and stop trying to pin this on a few labour voters on the bunker. It's insane.

And remember this most of us live in hartlepool and we still have a labour MP. Unlike your constituency that is very much responsible for giving johnson a huge majority.

And do you need to be so sweary at your age?

You believe what you want to believe and put whatever spin you want on it but until the labour party become electable there is no realistic opposition or alternative to a tory government.

Well you have got yourself a long term tory government. Just stop blaming us on the bunker.

Quite right PJ and that is where this corbyn/ momentum bunch have driven me to.
We now have a tory government for at least five years, maybe ten....who knows.
I think that would make St Pete swear.
You have described the last tory government as the worst government in our history. Well because of the incompetence of corbyn/momentum we now are stuck with them for at least another five years.
There just isn't a credible, electable alternative to them.
But hey who cares eh????

[quote="Watching from afar"]Well you have got yourself a long term tory government. Just stop blaming us on the bunker.[/quote

:laugh
I thought I was blaming corbyn and momentum and their supporters. If there are people on the bunker who support corbyn and momentum then they have to take responsibility.
Is corbyn a member of the bunker? Well I didn't know that. Who the hell let him in.
For your information it's not just me whose got a tory government, we've all got one.
Thanks to you and corbyn and the rest of you marxists.

Just for clarity.
In 2017 the tory vote in my constituency was just over 19100, yesterday it was 19600.
Whereas the labour vote dropped from over 24000 to under 16000.
Everyone you talk to said it was because they just couldn't vote for corbyn.
People can scoff this as much as they like but they are just in denial. corbyn cost labour hundreds of thousands of votes.
corbyn even lost Skinner his seat but i suppose mr watching from afar will twist it round to be my fault: Do I care? Only that we can't offer an alternative to the tories, I do care about that.
All these former labour strongholds are still labour strongholds and that will be proved when the hard left get told to fuck off ( apologies PJ) and form their own party.

Helloooooo Young Phil. I always answer your questions....................well the ones that I can interpret.
You have to remember that since 1978 I have lived in Yorkshire and once you mention paying for something in Yorkshire, everybody switches off.
If you can get a buy one get one free I'll willingly join.
Any idea who the candidates are?????

PS I'm only passionate about getting rid of the twat.

I might be wrong but I always thought that Scotland and NI were part of the UK.
If I'm correct then it makes your reply to Mr I look quite stupid

I’m not sure why you are apologising to me you need to apologise to the bloke who thinks he’s in a position to tell people to moderate their language on here and the the man who’s spent the last few weeks (without any foundation) labeling people hypocrites. He would not be happy with your recent posts.

Well, following the belated disclosure yesterday about EVERY hospital in the country now failing to meet the performance targets let’s hope no one EVER grows old, falls ill or works in the NHS

[quote="derwent"]
You have to remember that since 1978 I have lived in Yorkshire and once you mention paying for something in Yorkshire, everybody switches off.

they do not even buy viagra in yorkshire even if they need it. they just check their most recent bank statement.

Might help you to read then full discussion otherwise your own posts look quite stupid.

The only thing which but I doubt it might help the north is they voted Tory, now if the Tories want to have sustained terms in Parliament surely they need to invest more in the North or will as usual just ignore us.
Bearing in mind Thatcher had a big majority but very little investment found its way north.
Mike Hill is a very weak MP and has just become even more weaker after the election, would a Tory MP do any better, we will never know due to the fact people voted for a non party who never had a manifesto and never won any seats.

Apparently Corbyn is going to remain Labour leader for a couple of months.... why?

It’s Labours worst result since 1935 he should have packed his bags on Friday morning his politics have been rejected the party needs to totally reset.

I suspect Starmer will get the job but he's tainted in my view by being the leader of the remain faction and that won't quickly be forgotten in the leave constituencies. I know Yvette Cooper was also remain but she wasn't involved in the parliamentary shenanigans. if I was a Labour voter I'd choose her. I think she's a hell of a lot more electable that Corbyn.

Saw him interviewed today and now he looks like he’s hanging on to select his successor. It’s like the First World War general after a massive defeat picking his own successor for the next battle.
Can Labour pick a common sense candidate in the Earnie Bevin mould instead of middle class idealists. And get back to looking after the people who invented the Labour Party, the working class not metropolitan luvvies.

Yes I have just seen the same point being made on Twitter and I agree, it needs to be someone from outside of the London bubble. Some of the seats they lost are pretty staggering. Former mining communities with a Tory MP I bet it was noisy in County Durham on Friday with loads of people turning in their graves! They’d have got Hartlepool without the Brexit Party. It highlights the fact the Labour Party have totally lost plot and what they should be all about in 2019.

Yes we have got here due to a lot of subterfuge, propaganda and gullibility but Labour are in this mess because they offered someone who it was far too easy to sling this mud at.

Cant disagree except I believe a lot of people are hiding behind the Jeremy corbyn excuse when their real reason was brexit. And a lot of them are too embarrassed to admit it. Too embarrassed to admit it was to get rid of the coloureds and the poles. Except the really dumb ones.

You only have to see the amount of tv reporters sloping around these areas and interviewing thickets who were adamant we needed to get brexit done without having a clue how to do it or what it actually meant.

Even now the tories refuse to answer a straight question and that is will we be worse off after Brexit than we would if we stayed in. They wont answer because they know we will be worse off and so will all those people in northern areas convinced it was going to change their lives

But of course corbyn needs to go. He was too a target despite being nowhere near as bad as johnson as a racist and a liar.

Oh it’s Turkeys voting for Christmas alright.

I do agree it’s about Brexit as well even tough Labours stance was actually more sensible and plausible Corbyn lost a lot of traditionally safe seats because of that approach. In hindsight they should have been as vacuous and bull shitting as the Tories about getting it done.

Yep. They should have just lied and lied and lied. And said yes let's get brexit done. Lying is the new truth it seems.

Look, you can carrying on whining like a line of taxiing jets at Heathrow and coming up with reasons, but it’s history now and in reality you’re arguing on a website with half a dozen people in an echo chamber and the worlds moved on.
Labour lost because they lost touch with their own electorate, they weren’t conned, thick, racist, uneducated or anything else. If people are slagged off, patronised, despised and sneered at for a holding an opposing opinion, they tend to kick back.Sadly for Corbyn they went too far and kicked him in the balls.

Sadly for Corbyn? Surely you mean Labour? Unless of course we are the new USA and we have just been voting for a president. And you know what I think thats whats just happened. President Johnson.

Sadly for both of them. President Johnson?? Hardly. The joy of our system is when you have served your purpose we don’t drag it out, the suits of all Party’s invite them into a political cul-de-sac on a dark night and they’re toast. Johnson will be no different to anyone else.
I realise calling him President Johnson is the new political strapline, but the only people excited and aroused by it are activists.

we,ll be closer in the bed with the land of the free now, so might just as well go all the way in having trump as president instead of boris.

So in a nutshell you continue with the core attitude that decimated Labour. Thick, racist, uneducated, blah blah blah. The electorate is more sophisticated than that. They didn't trust Corbyn on security, the economy and rejected his left wing nonsense. They remember his support of the IRA, they see that Diane Abacus would be in charge of national security and McDonnell the Chancellor. In they droves they said no thank you without a thought of the ku klux klan.

The core driving this inability to accept the result, much like Brexit, is that people who think they are considerably better educated and informed than the thicko’s can’t accept what happened.
The class system has changed, forget Lord Swanko del Posh, there’s a monstrous regiment of new enlightened middle class (though they’ll deny it)Lord Snooty’s looking down their noses at the dumb working class and sulking for not heeding their advice.

You know it was brexit that did it. You also know that the majority of people have no idea what brexit will mean to them except getting rid of those pesky niggers and foreigners. You also know that not one tory minister has dared to come out and say everyone will be better off after brexit. Let's have some honesty for a change.

For some possibly but to take a great big wallpapering brush to all those who voted leave is ridiculous.

What you’ve just written is now a common template on several politically unrelated message boards I use. An outrageously ignorant and offensive catch all, tar all comment is made about those who have the nerve to hold a differing opinion. Just coincidentally all refer to xenophobia to reinforce a common nagging message.
So how long will you be in the channel awaiting orders to step down from duty now the election ‘s over?......because this is basically a widespread tactic......from where?

He's a fecking activist alright.. ticks all the boxes.

I accept that and that I am generalising. But like all the politicians you are avoiding the one question that will taint brexit. Will we all better off after we leave than we currently are? And if the answer to that is no did anyone at any time make that clear prior to the vote?

And like in that brilliant clip I posted some just wanted bendy bananas.

My view before voting leave was that we were gradually becoming part of a USE without our permission. The plans for a European army were frankly dangerous and free movement given the terrorism threats is just crazy. By all means allow immigration based on UK skill shortages and genuine asylum but the masses gathered at Calais should be turned away because not a single one of them are asylum seekers. Not one.

Skills shortages? You stayed in any hotels in the uk recently? I doubt they would be open if it wasnt fir foreign workers. It's not skill shortages it's the willingness to work. Are you prepared to have poorer quality services just to employ British people?

And of course you are quoting the exact same scare stories used to win the referendum.

And I am surprised you believed them.

Why would British people provide poorer quality? maybe its because the wages are so low and British people are not prepared to live in a bedsit for the rest of their lives. We raised the bar in the UK, and the tories and New Labour lowered it. Labour were prepared to raise the minimum wage, this may of motivated British people to take these jobs , its not about a willingness to work , its because these people come from poorer backgrounds, therefore are generally more subservient , meaning they are easier for the British employer to manager and cheaper because of the minimum wage, that although well intentioned has meant that every menial type of job pays the min wage rate and nothing more.