I’m up for a witch trial.

To be fair I don’t think every thread does turn out like this to be honest. I am happy to leave this one here and find it amusing that I being accused of bring a drama queen for pointing out hypocrisy. I asked if he read a newspaper, that was all I am not flouncing off I am choosing to ignore someone. He’s admitted what we knew all along anyway now in this thread that he’s voting for Johnson

Except when you read the thread he hasnt insulted anyone. And neither have I. The fact one poster has been offended seems to say more about that person than anyone else. That person ahs also posted the most.

But thats very typical of a dyed in the wool tory.

Hope its made of a decent cross section of society thus excluding tories and Daily Mail readers.

Where have I said I'm voting Johnson.I said I was being pushed in that direction.
If we are going to speak, let's tell the truth.
As for insults, you said you haven't insulted me in any thread, another lie.
You then went on to insult me in this thread.
I know I can dish it out and admit to that but i think i have more than demonstrated i can also take it.
But if you people want to get rid of any opposition to your crack brained views a la marxist fashion then go ahead.

You're being pushed in that direction? You actually said that? That has to be weakest argument and apology for admitting being a tory ever.

Just vote labour man. Where you live its like voting tory anyway with that MP you have. A win win for you.

Crack brained? In my experience very few Marxists take crack. Engels loved a good drink and I bet Noam Chomsky is probably no stranger to hallucogenics but I think cocaine's association with yuppies in the 80s put the Marxists right off it.

Michael Gove probably gets their share for the grime parties he hosts in the underground car park at Tory HQ - he grinds it up and sniffs it off William Hague's arse.

This quality as well. Good old UKIP

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status ... 0565875715

I actually couldnt watch it all it was just too bad.

I bow to your superior knowledge of marxist sniffing habits and William Hague's arse.
What do you know of their next strike victims????

What did you make of the comment by jewish chronicle and labour's video of minority groups. and leaving the jews out of it.

That was surely Jennifer Saunders playing a character. Pat Mountain even sounds made up.

Hilarious stuff I lasted until three minutes in when she got out what looked a program from the Britain’s Got Talent final and started to read the asylum policy. You dread to think how few votes they are getting in those seats Pat doesn’t know they are standing for. I mean Farage got beaten by a bloke dressed in a Dolphin suit called Flipper in 2017.

Did they? I cant say I noticed. Can you point out exactly where they left out jews in any video. Ta.

This is the paper I read.

MARXISTS TRY TO GAG MODERATE LABOUR MAN.

Yes folks that is today's headline,

Moderate Labour supporter Mr Derwent, who lives in the Soviet Socialist Republic Of South Yorkshire has been today, the victim of a marxist gagging attempt by prominent members of Momentum, a disruptive influence in the hi jacking of the Labour Party.
Led by prominent activists such as PJ Poolie,a camel herder who lives in the desert and a member of the CCOC (constant companion of corbyn) group and well known master of disguise and famous for his many aliases, MR DIBBLE, have come together in an attempt to gag the amiable and highly popular campaigner against the growing influence of Mr Corbyn and his bunch of followers, more commonly known as Momentum, a far left organisation hell bent on destroying the economy of the United Kingdom.
Both marxists have had to recruit other lefties to back them up due to the formidable opposition to their cause by the single handed force of Mr Derwent but to no avail.
They are going to need many more of their activists to take part if they are to overcome the skill and tenacity of Mr Derwent, whose views are being hailed by voters taking part in the coming general election.
Watch this space.

Scroll down to jewish chronicle and read the article, it explains it in there.

Wow. Just wow. Words fail me (and that doesn't happen much).

You can give up on Labour. betray your class, your dad or grandparents.or even your children , vote Liberal, Green or whatever else, but a proper working class lad can never vote TORY, unless you have lost the plot.

A new party is a good idea, but I don't think there would be enough support, certainly in the short term, and thanks to the rampant capitalism of the tories and neo- liberalism of New Labour destruction of this country time is something we don't have, if we wish to save the country before it goes past the point of no return, if it hasn't already. With that in mind we decided to hi jack our own party and save it from the sycophants who nearly destroyed it. What a great job we did, young people joining in droves and old neo- liberals leaving like lemmings jumping off a cliff.

I can see its Socialism more than anything else that you dislike. This proves what I have said before about Bliars Labour, if it attracted people like you then clearly something was wrong, and something was wrong as outlined above ( neo-liberalism ).

If Labour lose, and I think they will, Corbyn will have to go, and would probably want to go. I just hope the party stays on its Socialist course as opposed to lurching back to the right and neo-liberalism, the ideology that is the cause of many of todays problems and certainly isn't the answer to them.

Why don't you just tell us who you are voting for? what's to hide? what is there to be ashamed of? You know how I am voting, have you got the guts to tell us how you are voting?.

Get yourself down to the Diamond Bar tonight , a good left wing gig on , proceeds to Doncaster flood victims[/quote]

I keep saying the same thing, there is no party that appeals to me so I'll probably abstain. I have always preached that everybody should vote and I have never failed to vote in a general election. I now realise that it was easy to vote in the past because I had a party to vote for and now that party has gone, nothing else appeals to me.
We all support the Donny flood victims round here and we were on the verge of being victims ourselves.
We were nearly cut off and only had one road open at the height of it.
We are about to go round to our daughters for the evening so won't be going to any bar. I'm assuming you mean the bar in Wood St.
I have been here since 1978 and I have rarely been in Donny on Saturday night. I don't usually drink in Donny. It's a bloody madhouse. I prefer to drink locally. We have some excellent places which we can walk to both for a meal and/or a drink.[/quote]

8k raised for flood victims by the commies and terrorist sympathisers

Can I just confirm so as the hatred is justified:

I occasionally read the daily mail but not the sidebar of shame.
I am a member of the Conservative Party.
Two votes out of two in my house will go to Boris.

On the bright side I have never been a member of the Nazi party, the BNP or the EDL.

Oddly, the bloke I most respect in parliament is Dennis Skinner.

That’s excellent news mr horden. Well done to all .

And me

True

Its a staunch Conservative area where I live so I could either vote tactically or vote with my conscience. I will probably go for the latter and vote independent. Could not bring myself to vote for one of the main parties. I'd be sick every time I thought about what I'd done.

Question for you Labour guys and I mean it respectfully. Would you tolerate a watered down version of Labour if it meant getting into power? By that I mean accepting some compromises in order to get the conservatives out and at least shift the balance over to the left, even though it wasn't as far over as you wanted? Or would this be something you couldn't tolerate on your conscience even if it meant election failure?

I’m not even a Labour man I wouldn’t say I’m affiliated to any political party I have voted Labour once before in my life but I am behind what needs to be done to stop Boris Johnson gaining a majority in parliament, in Hartlepool (I can’t even vote in this election!) that has to be a Labour vote. Plus I couldn’t stand the embarrassment of us having the only Brexit Party MP in the country. Labour aren’t going to win the election it’s about stopping Boris Johnson, a man not fit to lead our country.

As for hatred Mr I what nonsense. We all have strong feelings on this matter but if you ‘hate’ anyone for having a different political view and couldn’t be friends with someone with a totally different political outlook (within reason!) then you’re a bellend.

Personally I couldn't tolerate it. It was same in 1997 , and look where that got us? watered down tory light party and I blame Bliar as much as Thatcher for state country and party is in now. In saying that , all those years of Thatcherism, Bliar neo=liberalism has changed the political landscape and a watered down version is probably Labours best hope, that doesn't mean its right though and I can assure you it wont change the real issues that haunt this island. I would hate to think we become two versions of the same theme as the Republicans and Democrats in the US , but if Labour don't win this time it looks like that's the way were are heading

You can’t achieve anything without power. The left concentrate on ideals but the right get in more often than not. ‘‘Tis a fact of life

Bliar had such a huge majority he could've changed the country for better for ever, but he spunked it, cosying up to big business and out torying the tories in capitalist philosophy , so much so that the tories in order to gain power had to clone their own Bliar in Cameron. The last 40 years in British politics have been one monumental neo-liberal fook up, that's both parties, that's why we find ourselves in the mess we're in.

Personally I think Labour are promising too much, a lot of things could've waited until the next term ,but no harm in trying and having dreams though, if they achieve only 10 per cent of what they are promising it will be 10 per cent more than people will get under the tories.

Neither am I despite what derwent seemed to be peddling.

Voted
labour 2017
green 2015
Lib Dem 2010
Monster raving loony 2005

I want a hung parliament with a minority government and one that can hopefully see a peoples vote get rid of the disease we call brexit.

and then we get a fairer voting system than the stupid first past the post one.

In terms of respecting someone , there's not a lot of choice in parliament, but been an avid tory John, can I ask why Skinner ?

The irony is people probably blindly voted Labour for years in a Town like Hartlepool when in reality that vote made no impact at all on a national level. It was almost a pointless vote. Now when that vote can actually make a difference and is most important they are allowing themselves to be turned away from it by outright bullshit surrounding the whole Brexit farce and propaganda surrounding the Labour Party. Why do people think all of a sudden we have a high profile toss pot turning up with Farage in the King Johns Tavern?

I don’t think Corbyn is a leader or a Prime Minister but I don’t believe half the nonsense said about him either, it’s about seeing the bigger picture of trying to stop something rather than allow yourself to be complicit in this whole self serving mess. I also think we currently have a Prime Minister unfit for public office. An appalling man and international embarrassment. The country is heading in a very dangerous backwards direction and is a fractious, angry mess this government have presided over this decline for almost a decade.

Johnson is without one of the worst people you could imagine in power. He hides behind this bumbling fun loving personna but is in reality one thorougly nasty lying peice of work. There are plenty who know him very well say exactly that and others in his party so wrapped up in ther own careers, Matt Hancock, dominic Raab, Michael Gove, that even though they hate him, just let him crack on. Theresa May was useless but at least she tried to act statesman like. This current lot are so unbelievably bereft of any moral compass.

[quote="horden"]Bliar had such a huge majority he could've changed the country for better for ever, but he spunked it, cosying up to big business and out torying the tories in capitalist philosophy , so much so that the tories in order to gain power had to clone their own Bliar in Cameron.
exactly. he was the reason i voted for the tories when he was in power. blair always reminded me with that perma smile of a dodgy lying used car salesman of the worst type. i was not on my own either in turning my back on the party due to him and a few others of similar types at the time.

The nationalisation of what?? I'm wondering which part of the Internet is nationalisable apart from cables, fibres, or antennae.

If they nationalise porn and shopping they'll have sorted 99% of it.

This is what I mean. Labours approach now means they will change 0% in this country. A more moderate approach with different personalities might have seen them in power by now and CHANGING things.

Voted Labour all my life until Blair & Co got in - We can whinge all we like about the tories austerity but it was caused by Him and Brown. Unfortunately I can't see anything different with Corbyn in fact with McDonnell at his side I can see the Country bust in 6 months and who will suffer? Us!
Its what Corbyn hasn't been saying that concerns me - Fuel Duty I'm guessing it will be ramped up under the "Environmental" banner (Mcdonnell already mentioned it) it been frozen under the tories - once that goes up then it puts all the food prices up, then interest rates rise - its called inflation im old enough to remember it a 16% in the 70s
Council Tax - McDonnell again has said people are not paying enough - again I worked all my life paid plenty of tax and yes I own a house so i don't want (along with many others) to be screwed over to fund freebies for anyone they can think of
A vote for Labour at the minute if you work (or have worked) and have your own place is like Turkeys voting for xmas!

So Mr Watching from afar has admitted to voting lib dem in 2010.
Didn't his party support the tories???
Didn't his party support austerity?????
It all comes out in the end.
Anymore revelations Dibbs ?????
I wonder who the other newly established lefties voted for in 2010/2015/2017.

I'm not sharing my harem. get yer own.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50644317

I thought only left wing people got offended...

Left wing comedian gets heckled and has a bread roll thrown at him, so what ??


Gave my favourite papers a miss today for Trump's twitter..

This is what I mean. Labours approach now means they will change 0% in this country. A more moderate approach with different personalities might have seen them in power by now and CHANGING things.[/quote]

Wrong, Labours approach will change a lot , of course it depends on if the electorate want change, my guess is we are now inherently a nation of conservatives, who have fully embraced I'm all right Jack, fuck you rampant debt fuelled Capitalism. At end of the day, no matter how good your values, principles or policies, if you're not in power they mean diddly squat. The downside of that is nothing changes and the Tories and Bliarite style Labour become the UK version of the Republicans and Democrats In the USA, both versions of the same theme, one would fook you in the morning the other in the afternoon. but little will change. It really is down to the sort of future you want.

That is absolute nonsense. Austerity was a tory plan that has been proven to have been Tory cruelty and completely unneccessary. Even Johnson has admitted that. I have no idea who has convinced you of the above, or why.

I think I finally see where you are coming from. I don't think the labour folks are the ones to deliver this though. I honestly think others could have.

Mr Derwent, I too voted for a Lib Dem candidate in 2010. It was not MY party and I did not vote for them knowing they'd jump into bed with Cameron. It was the only fuck-you-Cameron-and-Brown choice on the paper. Except of course it actually wasn't.
I am sure the libs aren't Mr WFA's pet party either.

The truth is I gave up on political parties when I was still in my early teens because í saw them for what they were. I hope and pray one day my great grandchildren will be able to vote meaningfully for a govt that's worthy of them.
This coming election is a total charade. A battle between irresponsibles.People are voting between Lucretia Borgia and Fireman Sam.

A Tweet from Boris Johnson’s account last night:

“We have 9 days to get Brexit done and unleash the potential of the whole UK!”

Has an election campaign ever been built on such misleading bollocks? How the fuck is Brexit going to be ‘done’ in 9 days?

You would have to be incredibly stupid to vote for him based on this. It’s beyond comprehension that they are getting away with it.

If he does get ‘his’ deal (which is 96% Mays worst deal in history, not even a rehash of it, copy and paste the same deal) through parliament it’s only the end of the start of the process. Plus that won’t be in 9 days on the same day as the election. This has years to run. Its scandalous deflection from bigger issues and outright lies.

[quote="The Townendcritic"]
Council Tax - McDonnell again has said people are not paying enough - again I worked all my life paid plenty of tax and yes I own a house so i don't want (along with many others) to be screwed over to fund freebies for anyone they can think of

that is the reason i,m not bothering this time. cannot vote tory or liberal but again cannot vote for a party that may bring back the council money tree where the vanity projects by them will reign supream once more.

Wrong, Labours approach will change a lot , of course it depends on if the electorate want change, my guess is we are now inherently a nation of conservatives, who have fully embraced I'm all right Jack, fuck you rampant debt fuelled Capitalism. At end of the day, no matter how good your values, principles or policies, if you're not in power they mean diddly squat. The downside of that is nothing changes and the Tories and Bliarite style Labour become the UK version of the Republicans and Democrats In the USA, both versions of the same theme, one would fook you in the morning the other in the afternoon. but little will change. It really is down to the sort of future you want.[/quote]

I think the electorate do want change. The question is do they want the change offered by the Labour Party.

Good morning to you PJ. I hope the day finds you well.

I really don't think boris's tweet will change the minds of the people who have already decided to vote tory and I don't think his tweet will sway very many of the undecided. So I very much doubt if anybody will vote for him based on that or will change their vote away from him based on that either.


What is a definite though is.........if the tories don't get in next week then brexit will have been destroyed immediately. Perhaps that is what he is trying to say. He is a politician after all and talking straight isn't a politician's strong point.

On the incredibly stupid point...............I don't think it helps by insulting anybody in that manner.
I made the very same point to a tory the other day when she said " a person would have to be incredibly stupid to vote for corbyn" It is not necessary.
Between them both Johnson and Corbyn will get by far the greater proportion of the votes, that would make an incredible number of incredibly stupid people. Although considering that...................

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