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 Post subject: Re: Daily Mash
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:29 am 
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derwent wrote:

Phil. I have been calling for the party to ditch him for months even years. Corbyn and Momentum are the reason the tories got in in 2017. They are the reason the country vote tory and if the tories get in again.


It doesn’t take much digging to find facts that put that claim into serious question.

Compared to 2015 when Labour got a 30% share and 9.3 million votes in 2017 under Corbyn they got a 40% share and 11.8 million votes.

This election is much more important than who is the leader of the Labour Party. Whatever propaganda and shite is being fed by biased media protecting self interest terrified they might get a party who actually at least try to a give a shit about normal people.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:19 am 
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Watching from afar wrote:
It might have helped if Andrew Neil had let Corbyn answer on one hand and then actually listen to the few answers he did allow Corbyn to give. Corbyn should have just accused Neil of being an angry arsehole and punched him in the face. I thought Neil made a fool of himself.


There must be something Corbyn could've dragged up on Neil, paedophilia ,noncery or going with prostitutes, then just whispered it in his ear before the start of the interview . That's the thing with Corbyn, he is far too nice a person. He should be more aggressive and play the dirty tricks game himself, but he is a man of principle and honour, that's why I like him. That's the sort of person I want leading our country.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:34 am 
Phil that's not quite how it happened though is it. Corbyn actually said some of the money would come from the government reserves and the rest through borrowing. He also said it wouldnt all be needed in the first year as there would be stage payments.

Andrew Neil didnt like that answer so pretended it never happened. And that's when he breathed long enough to actually allow corbyn to answer.

Corbyn could have gone on the attack accusing the rabbi of double standards and being a tory but he didnt. Dont know why.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:38 am 
And why do these journos and then the public expect clear and concise answers to very deliberately complicated questions. Neil went fishing for corbyn and made it almost impossible for him to wriggle free. I could see it why couldn't you?

He could absolutely rinse johnson when he interviews him but I bet he lets him off the hook in comparison. Johnson will repeat the words get brexit done at least a dozen times and neil will let it ride. I believe Andrew neil is something if a tory too.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:40 am 
In fact he is a rabid thatcherite. Corbyn was foolish to allow the interview to happen.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:11 am 
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He didn’t perform well you can’t really blame the interviewer you just Johnson gets torn a new one as well as he inevitably will. It’s getting a bit rabid if you just start shouting Tory at anyone who questions Corbyn. Anyway I hope they find the money as it would effect my Mam :laugh: One of his many faults is he appears to have no leadership qualities, or charisma.

These are the worst two candidates ever offered in general election it’s the damage limitation election not the Brexit Election though to be honest.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:30 am 
of course he didnt. He is useless in that environment. To some that makes him a bad leader. For me it just makes him human. There isnt a governemnt or opposition in the world that can cost everything. Corbyn struggled to answer the question because he couldnt.

That doesnt make him wrong for being principled enough to say it was the right thing to do to pay them. He was put on the spot and couldnt answer clearly. No matter what he said he woulf have been ripped apart.

Is it better to say we would like to pay them but there isnt any money so tough?

Like I said people expect answers for everything and every question they are asked. Johnson wont answer many questions either, but at least Corbyn tries to be on the side of the human being. Johnsons robotic answers are much worse.


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Watching from afar wrote:
I await the Rabbis critisism of the tories now.


You got a week off Chip?

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 Post subject: Re: Daily Mash
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:41 am 
and now the docuemnts have been leaked about the tories talks with the US over the NHS. Far more important than a Tory Rabbi telling people how to vote.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:01 pm 
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and now the docuemnts have been leaked about the tories talks with the US over the NHS. Far more important than a Tory Rabbi telling people how to vote.


But his glasses were wonky and he's old...

Or something about Diane Abbott.


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Watching from afar wrote:
of course he didnt. He is useless in that environment. To some that makes him a bad leader. For me it just makes him human. There isnt a governemnt or opposition in the world that can cost everything. Corbyn struggled to answer the question because he couldnt.

That doesnt make him wrong for being principled enough to say it was the right thing to do to pay them. He was put on the spot and couldnt answer clearly. No matter what he said he woulf have been ripped apart.

Is it better to say we would like to pay them but there isnt any money so tough?

Like I said people expect answers for everything and every question they are asked. Johnson wont answer many questions either, but at least Corbyn tries to be on the side of the human being. Johnsons robotic answers are much worse.


I suppose it’s says a lot about politics when it’s regarded as a weakness that you lack an ability to bluster and bullshit. Which is essentially what the people who are good as these type of grillings excel at.


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Every time i see corbyn it makes me realise why nobody has ever entrusted him with a high ranking responsible role. He can't hack it and however many reasons that people come up with to defend his shortcomings the fact remains he can't hack it.
The only reason that momentum tolerate him is that he is their puppet and he does as he is told.
He is great at appearing Mr nice guy and says the things people want to hear. He is dancing to momentum's tune, sounds very feasible until he is questioned and then he flounders. So then what does he do..............he comes out with the I'm neutral crap hoping that the scrutiny will go away. He has got a very acceptable facade mr corbyn but it is false and every now and again you see the mask slip.
If corbyn does manage to win, and he might, what will momentum's next step be.
My forecast will be that momentum will have no further use for him, he's served his purpose so get rid and elect a real hard liner to take his place and then we'll know. Like the man said "you ain't seen nothing yet".
And all you corbyn followers will say, well that's not we voted for, we wanted nice mr corbyn, what has happened.
When five years have passed ( if they last that long) and the country boots them out, guess who will be back in power saying we need austerity to sort the mess labour have left and that's nothing new is it. We've just had nine years of it and the last time, under thatcher and major et al we had eighteen years, The only time we had a decent stretch of labour government (thirteen years) we ditched the loony left and had the longest stretch in recent memory and it would have been more if it hadn't been for the worldwide banking crisis which the tories blamed on labour and the gullible public fell for it.


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I object to the term looney left it is hate crime.

It all seriousness (not much please don’t this literally and respond with a long reply) implying mental illness because of a political view point probably is a bit worse than most slurs.

I’m outraged.


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I object to the term looney left it is hate crime.

It all seriousness (not much please don’t this literally and respond with a long reply) implying mental illness because of a political view point probably is a bit worse than most slurs.

I’m outraged.


His neighbours banging out a huge 3 pager as we speak


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PJPoolie wrote:
I object to the term looney left it is hate crime.

It all seriousness (not much please don’t this literally and respond with a long reply) implying mental illness because of a political view point probably is a bit worse than most slurs.

I’m outraged.


It’s weird how people use the term looney left and lefties to insult

Like caring about people is a bad thing. How dare you!



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 Post subject: Re: Daily Mash
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PJPoolie wrote:
I object to the term looney left it is hate crime.

It all seriousness (not much please don’t this literally and respond with a long reply) implying mental illness because of a political view point probably is a bit worse than most slurs.

I’m outraged.

Don't worry PJ, you're not included, you're just crackers. :wink:

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Stop trying to act like a decent human being you looney!!!!!!!!!


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For Yubep and anybody else who is interested my neighbours have spotted last night's result.
The one to the left said "have you bribed the ref?" and the one on the right said "did chesterfield think it was five a side?" My answer was akin to the fatherless variety.
Whilst I had the opportunity I asked them about their intended movements.
Both said that they had no intention of participating in train travel in the near future because there are enough old ladies round here without paying for a ticket to travel with them. Which i thought was fair enough.
They didn't rule out the bus though. Bus travel is free and you must remember they are Yorkshiremen.

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Stop trying to act like a decent human being you looney!!!!!!!!!

I stopped doing that years ago.

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Watching from afar wrote:
In fact he is a rabid thatcherite. Corbyn was foolish to allow the interview to happen.


Correct, Neil is probably a millionaire and will lose financially if Corbyn becomes PM, Johnson will safeguard both his own wealth and that of Neil's, so you would imagine he will be gentler on Johnson tonight, though one thing I will say about Neil is he is pretty consistent in treating people the same ( badly ).

Imagine if Corbyn was the only one who refused to be interviewed. In his position of taking on the rich and powerful , he is damned it he does, damned if he doesn't , in that respect he did well to ride the storm last night.

Neil is a bully, a fat arrogant pig who eats a Christmas dinner every day of the week whilst begrudging other people one Christmas dinner a year, the perfect example of a the rich tory elite who believe they are beyond reproach. How the BBC can employ him and pay him with licence payers money is beyond me, but that's the BBC, another corporation Corbyn would sort out.

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There must be something Corbyn could've dragged up on Neil, paedophilia ,noncery or going with prostitutes, then just whispered it in his ear before the start of the interview . That's the thing with Corbyn, he is far too nice a person. He should be more aggressive and play the dirty tricks game himself, but he is a man of principle and honour, that's why I like him. That's the sort of person I want leading our country.

I can’t recall him lying once, yet billy liar Johnson does it all the time


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Watching from afar wrote:
I await the Rabbis critisism of the tories now.




Why are you singling out the Rabbi ?



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fait ... -j56jmpvv6


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 Post subject: Re: Daily Mash
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:56 pm 
now theres a surprise

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/11 ... 8545650688


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:10 pm 
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That's if the BBC can get Johnson to commit to an interview with Neil. He hasn't yet.


Imagine the uproar if Corbyn didn't agree to it...


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Nailed on they won't be able to arrange a date with Boris.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:21 pm 
and if they dont that leaves the BBC with a massive problem with their integrity. The damage has been done for Corbyn. None of these should have happened prior to getting confirmation of participation from all leaders.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:28 pm 
Maybe he was told the tories had? I wouldnt put it past the BBC these days, Laura Kuenssberg for example is very much regarded as Tory Lite. She had a ridculously gentle interview with Boris Johnson recently.


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Watching from afar wrote:
and if they dont that leaves the BBC with a massive problem with their integrity. The damage has been done for Corbyn. None of these should have happened prior to getting confirmation of participation from all leaders.




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