Having read his interview over the "Dover Incident", he does not mention of him being abused by any of our fans. The abuse was directed at Effiong after Effiong apparently incited our fans and was racially abused by our fan(s).
First of all our fan(s) had no right to respond in the manner which he/they did and will get banned for their behaviour, probably for life or a very long time. Fair enough says I.
Effiong, on the other hand, apparently continued to goad our fan(s), instead of walking away as he should have done.
What will be his punishment I wonder.
Or is this another case of the person who started it getting off scot free or mildly and the retaliator getting hammered.
Before anybody jumps up and down I am in no way defending our behaviour as the case against our lads is watertight and they will get their come uppance in due course.
BUT
There should be a stern lesson handed out to Mr Effiong that crowd incitement is equally unacceptable and he should be punished accordingly and as a warning to others who indulge in such behaviour.
The performance of the referee should also be scrutinized as his incitement, by not stopping the over indulgence in the first place, resulted in three red cards and one of the worst, if not the worst, performances ever seen at the Vic by a referee, according to most of the folk who were there. There hasn't been any mitigation proffered on his behalf.
We, as a club, have a responsibility, the referee has a responsibility, the players have a responsibility and all have to be held accountable for their behaviour.
As Gus has said, the whole issue needs to be taken seriously and there has to be a collective will to stop it happening again. Everybody has to stand up and be counted and their involvement scrutinized, however small that is.
Anything less is a farce.
Oh and well done Gus for his bravery to speak out.

So, on Effiong:

He got booed taking the penalty
Scored the penalty
Shushed the crowd (which people conveniently forget Noble did last week)
Someone threw a pie at him and a few had a go at him
He then went back and cupped his ear because of that incident
He was racially abused by more than one person (as confirmed by Gus)
The ref got wind and decided to be a prick all game because of it (after all, would you give a hand to a team who's fans racially abuse people?)

I'd say the pie thrower instigated the behaviour of the player and the rest kicked off.
The player could have not responded but is not to blame
The referee could have jumped in but is not to blame

He didn't go OTT for no reason, there was a build up of a few events.

This is exactly what this situation needs.

An older white male reviewing it. One whose already admitted still calls black lads coloureds n Chinese chinkeys.

I dont know why this needs bringing up again, i would have thought by now people would want to move on but some seem determined to blame the lad for it.

Let's get this clear, nothing, absolutely nothing, warrants racial abuse, cupping ears, celebrating infront of you (pointed out above that noble does it plenty), incompetent refs, anything.

If you make a point n then say but... your trying to justify it.

So just stop.

Total fabrication, it does my head when people get basic and crucial facts wrong, you should get a job working for The Sun making shit up like this.



















It was a burger.


In all seriousness it’s time to move on but Raj was actually pretty critical in his notes of the Dover players in the lead up to morons showing the club up and after the game to be fair.

Correct

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You are showing an incredible lack of understanding around the whole thing derwent.

Effiong got a burger chucked at him that probably started it if not its a yellow card offence you can't get a retrospective yellow card so rightly nothing will be done to him.

I wasn’t there but on Effiong it’s very easy not matter what a person does should they be demonised for their race, religion, sexuality etc and anyone who does that in my opinion is a wanker and who I don’t want to know or be associated with

It was clearly the fault of the burger provider whose burgers are not worth hanging on to.
I still don't quite get the timeline of Saturday's events. Would someone care to give me a bullet-pointed chronology of the key incidents? The whole kaboodle, ref and all. Was everything fine and sugar dandy until the penner? I keep hearing the reffing was scandalous but what were his other failings outside of that incident?

There is always a reason why people disagree with any and every point and most of the time it is because who offered the said point.
In my family there are various people with legal qualifications and my daughter, a season Pools ticket holder, is one of them.
I must confess to you all that the original post of mine wasn't mine but was composed by a QC who obviously presented the situation through my eyes.
He deliberately avoided anything that could be construed as racist but quoted, in private, certain people who would do so.
He actually named the people who would respond and was extraordinarily correct.
I know some people who will poo poo this post but have a good look at what you are doing and ask yourselves if you are being fair to all and not just the self acclaimed minority who are so far up their own rectum that they actually believe that their way is the only way, as against the silent majority who believe that there are always other ways to progress. A perfect example is the Labour Party who boast about a membership of near 900,000 in an electorate of approaching 40 million.

Come on Yubep, as the most forecasted individual, you must have a smart arsed answer to this.

To be fair what Mr Derwent is saying in the original post isn’t far off what the chairman said in his notes last night.

He didn’t go as far as saying any of the Dover players should be charged though in light of what happened which rightly is deemed far more serious than anything else anything of that nature would send out completely the wrong message and look like justification for the racist moron or morons.

Pools have rightly received a lot of praise for the way they have handled this and tackled it head on, from the very top which is Kick it Out I don’t think we want then fallout to drag on further than it needs to. The National League might want have a serious look at the referee though!

You have lost the plot, derwent

The chairman was wrong to do that

So we all need to look at Mr Unruly Poolie's judgement.
My judgement is that Mr Unruly Poolie is under 30 years old. He certainly talks as if but could be extracting the michael for a bit of fun.
Come on my friend own up.
I am prepared to enlighten you but only if you are prepared to listen, which is a well known short cut to knowledge that youngsters, in all their self acclaimed wisdom, fail to acknowledge.

Wrong

Everyone can be wrong................even you.
Sorry if that shocks you.

Glad you are big enough to admit it.
Go out and enjoy playtime.......you can't beat fresh air.

Even as a long standing argument fan on here (according to many, the are obviously wrong the doyles) I’m not sure what the benefit of this thread is or what it’s trying to achieve.

It’s fairly obvious why it would be completely wrong to charge anyone of crowd incitement baring in mind what happened.

Derwent has clearly lost it.

This was posted by me.

As i didnt get mates to post on forums for me.

A truly bizarre post and a very very weird attempt at point scoring.

The one person that we haven't heard from is the racist who abused Effiong. As he is about to be crucified, as if he hasn't already been crucified, it might be worthwhile hearing his explanation as to why he did what he did. Not that many people would listen to him but it might help towards understanding why people do this sort of thing and maybe help towards solving the problem. Just a thought that the semi intelligent might want to consider but I doubt it.
Hey Ho C'est La Vie.

He doesn’t deserve a soap box as he’s clearly a fucking moron. Why give him a platform to justify himself, it’s a police matter if he does get to speak it might be in court.

This is very strange topic to look to wind people up about if that’s what you are doing. What he did includes no grey areas, it is completely and undeniably wrong.

It's painfully obvious who posted it.
You can't blame me for your inability to analyse what people are saying.
Ask me nicely and I might consider showing you the ropes, I do love a challenge.

Come on PJ. In this country everyone is allowed a defence and an opportunity to explain themselves, even the most vile of individuals. We are, after all, supposed to be civilized, even though we don't always show it.

Yes as I said it’s a Police matter so he has all of those rights.

And you are right to point that out, which is why I said it will be interesting to hear his take on the issue. You never know he just might give us a clue as to how we solve this because, as sure as apples are apples, we need to find a solution as soon as possible.

Why should we do that????? Is it just because you can't get your own way....a bit like Bojo.
I didn't associate you with BOJO tactics but................

“Then my armpits got itchy just as I got the part to the part of Old McDonald where we visit the Monkey enclosure”

Can I close the Internet ?


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Absolutely nothing but we have to give them the opportunity to try.
The worst individual on this planet, in my opinion, is not a racist but a child molester. Anyone who molests a child is lower than a snake's belly, in my opinion. However if you believe in the rule of law you have to follow the due process or you don't have justice but anarchy. If that's what you want then that's your choice but if it was your child who was the accused you would pursue every avenue until the bitter end when the realisation that you have sired a monster that society has to deal with.
Sorry to be brutal but our constitution says that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, as nasty as that seems to be.

Most people who can't get their own way usually look to that solution, so why should you be different?
Do what you think fit my friend.
It's good to have power.............as long as you know how to use it.

I'm going to bed now. Goodnight and God bless everyone. Sleep well and wake up refreshed in the knowledge that you will deal with everyone as you would like to be dealt with.

What the fucking fuck is going on here?

Quite simply I'm going to bed.
Do you require an in depth analysis of the proposal.
Night Night.

Kids. Don't drink and post. That's all.

One of the most bizarre threads iv ever read.

Hope all is ok derwent.

It certainly doesn't sound like the Derwent I know.

That horse has been busy kicking people in the head this week.

To be fair to Derwent, in his last posts at least, I'm pretty sure he wasn't suggesting the culprit be given an open forum to justify his action.
More of a good cop bad cop thing; drag it out of him. Did Idi Amin shag his mam or a horse kick him in the head.

What does Derwent think the racisit idiot is going to say? He was abused as a child, he spent 6 months in jail in Uganda, I am not racist but, I am bi-poler? The last thing anyone should want is an explanation by this fella as he will probably blame those pesky muslamic ray guns.

sanc•ti•mo•ni•ous (ˌsæŋk təˈmoʊ ni əs)

adj.
showing or marked by false piety or righteousness; hypocritically virtuous.

Just leave this here for the chosen few.

pr•i•ck (ˌprik)

noun.
1. a puncture made by a needle, thorn, or the like.
2. a sharp point; prickle.
3. Monkeybutt

Can this thread get any weirder

Monkeybutt - hold my beer


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No I wasn't suggesting an open form, Monty.
All I'm saying is the people who are accused of racist activity will be dealt with in due course and get their deserts, obviously if they are found guilty but they are entitled to a defence and are innocent until found guilty. That is the procedure.Not my procedure, not a procedure I have invented from my imagination but one that is very normal and one which is carried out on a daily basis.
I'm not confused and didn't post under the influence of any "substances".
I am against all abuse, including racist abuse, and will always stick to that.
I used the word "coloured" and was told it was unacceptable and I accepted that and now don't use it. I asked for advice on what was acceptable and hit a brick wall.
I wouldn't like to confront Tom Denton of Chesterfield with the words "Donkey" or " Carthorse" and I'm pretty sure he doesn't relish being called that. Yes it is a message board and he can't hear it, unless of course he has come on as a guest out of curiosity.
It has been suggested that a certain age group are responsible for racism in football. The CK is littered with that age group. How many hours of football have been watched by folk sitting in the CK and how many racial chants, racial abuse or racial comments have come out of there. Has anybody on here actually heard any????? Come on.
Nobody likes being abused and deep down it hurts, because it is intended to hurt.
That's what I am trying to put across but some people just want to find fault for the sake of finding fault.

and if the idiot has the money for top legal experts there is a possibility of him walking scot free with the ability to sue dover , pools and the police.

No it hasn’t for about the fourth time!!!

An incident happened at Portsmouth the other night were a Police Horse got lamped, they didn’t go full Geordie and smash up their own Town as well though (the Geordie horse lamper was about the same age!) but was it a kid responsible for this trying to pick fights with any man or beast? No it was a bloke in his 50’s who should known better. It’s because I believe we still have the remnants of football hooliganism from the 70’s and 80’s going to matches now, a period when racism was also the norm, and these people most of time keep this side of them hidden until the right situation presents itself or the right buttons are pressed.

It has nothing to do with age, please stop trying to make it about you it’s not. You I would imagine and the majority of others went to football in that period and didn’t behave in this manner.

Oh and I have witnessed racial abuse in Cyril Knowles about four years ago towards one of our own players two minutes into his debut.

There's been some strange threads on here over the years, but this one takes the biscuit.

[quote="W anation by this fella as he will probably blame those pesky muslamic ray guns.[/quote]
I don't particularly want to put influence on what he has to say but I am very interested in trying to find out why he allegedly did what he did. Not only him but the others who were involved, Gus said there were more.
If we are serious in eliminating racism we have to explore every avenue, including finding out why they do it and therefore give us a chance to tackle and educate them. I have been educated on the word "coloured" so there is a possibiilty others can be influenced as well.
I want to see the end of racism, although I realise there are people on here who don't accept that, but I do. Not only that but I want to see an end to any sort of abuse. I also want to see a curb on swearing because there must be children who read this forum and Ladies. I know I have sworn on occasions but I really do try to keep it to a minimum.
Three things my Grannie used to say.
Treat people as you want to be treat.
If you are not prepared to say it to their face, don't say it at all.
Sometimes it's not what you say it's the way you say it.
Very difficult to adhere to that advice but we all need to try that little bit harder.

Ok PJ, when you mentioned a certain age group you didn't mean what it came across as.
I misunderstood what you meant but I wasn't the only one.
I accept your explanation and will never mention the fact that you mentioned what you mentioned ever again.