Did anyone watch Dispatches last night?
Jacob Rees Smugg is certainly making a packet from this debacle. Along with another brexiteer and Tory donor whose name I didn’t catch and made £220,000,000.
They are all bent bastards

And they'll make even more if they can turn London into a deregulated playground for bankers and hedge funds. No deal would be best for that but it is pure coincidence that Rees-Mogg is trying hard to make that happen.

Ah well, Boris will be able to spend it on the NHS won't he?

I'd willingly dedicate a million quid of government money to the construction of a fabulous tomb for Boris.

Provided he uses it immediately.

That would be a very cost-effective way of increasing the country's net worth.

The irony is millions of working class people voted leave on the back of it being little else than a vote against the establishment. Who do we reckon are going to be the ones to suffer?

Oh well at least we’ll have our country back, control of our borders and blue passports, don’t forget the blue passports.

Yet people in Hartlepool vote for their policies....... madness!

That’s the big thing that bugs me, leave voters in the north east are being shafted by this government, can’t see that leaving will make them and future generations of their families much worse off for such a long time. Even after all the stuff coming out now about the people who sold this to the country the majority of the voters would probably vote the same way again, mainly older ones I might add.

No deal to be taken out of the equation tomorrow.

Brexit isn’t going to happen is it?

I hope the rest of the World aren’t watching these guffawing buffoons, it’s embarrassing.

I reckon the EU will tell us to bollocks when we go cap in hand for an extension. Which they have every right to do.

How many times did Treeza fly backwarda and forwards with the same shite homework which was never going to pass? We could have got to the point where we are now in early December.

I think the only thing that will work now is for the EU to grant an extension on the condition of a 2nd referendum, between remaining and no deal.

What an utter shitshow.

Correct. It was never going to happen.

Yes cos it can't happen.

I went to Crossmaglen four years ago to a wedding and I can tell you that even that long since the good Friday agreement I walked into a pub and got asked if I was f’ing English and was I in town for that wedding in the square. People there have long memories. My missus didn’t know the significance of the place, one idiot at the wedding did and tried to wear his rangers shirt on morning after wedding only for his mate to rip it off him about a second after he walked out of his bedroom.

I don't think the EU would ever set a condition like that even if they knew damn well it was the only way. The initiative would have to come from the UK. It's a bit like twenty questions: the UK has to go fishing for an acceptable premise for a delay:

Because Theresa is on her periods - nope
Because the Guardian said we should - nope
Because we need the time to do that people's voice thing - ah, now you're talking

In the (genuine) Irish pub I frequented in Paris for a number of years, I was commonly know as "English fucking Dave".

Mandelson with his EU gravy train experience last night suggested on TV that the EU wouldn’t grant any sort of short term extension it would be a couple of years.

Imagine couple more years of this, what a time to be alive!?!

It wouldn't grant a couple of years, it would impose them.

And the Scots harp back to Bannockburn, also with long memories.
We have 35 SNP members in the UK Parliament who don't believe in the UK Parliament and who will seek to disrupt it at every turn, no matter what the issue is. All they are interested in is breaking off from the UK.
It seems everyone hates the English.

They only hate us because we couldn't care less if they do. They call that arrogance.
If you look at the news programmes on furriner TV, they never miss a chance to reassure themselves their country is undisputably the dog's bollocks.
Ours don't do things like "Another British success story!" every five minutes because the whole world already knows we are so superior to them that there's nothing left to prove.

Maybe they're have a point, though I'm not sure arrogance is the right word. Contempt maybe.

In fairness there isn't a monopoly in the "we are the dog's bollocks" attitude. Yorkshire folk have the same belief and never miss an opportunity to ram it home.

More irony tonight as people who have called people who pointed out this is all a bit mental ‘remoaners’ for two years take moaning to a new level because MP’s have voted against our country committing economic suicide.

I have been reading lots of angry gammons promising to never vote again which is wonderful news.

Good post PJ!

Nigel is promising to try to get at least 1 EU leader to veto , meaning the legal default of no deal will happen on the 29th ..

Let him do it. Has he forgetten that no-deal isn't the only option the EU can't refuse?

Remember Harold Wilson's "A week is a long time in politics" ? That was back in the slow days.

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plenty of em would like an independant yorkshire with their hero sir geoffrey boycott as president . they even have their own Yorkshire Day to celabrate all the good things in the county. its a great place to live but there are some real tools about the place.

PJ points out the irony and this chaos is full of irony.
The people who are screaming for a new referendum are the very people who refuse to accept the last one.
And the SNP are claiming that they are representing the wishes of the Scottish people who voted overwhelmingly to remain. The Scots also rejected independence but the SNP can't and won't accept that and will keep calling for referendum after referendum until they get what they want. They have a proven track record on that score.
Where does it all end???? That is the big question.
People can have any opinion they like and can be for or against Brexit as they like and they can continuously call and ridicule anybody who disagrees with them ( as both sides do) as they like BUT where do they think it will get them.
We have had nearly three years of bickering because of these tactics, without common ground, so they obviously aren't working. The gap is getting wider in my opinion and it could get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever does.
This divisional bickering has to stop and it will only stop when people accept the results of a democratic vote and work together to achieve the best possible outcome. I include the result of the next vote, if it ever happens, in that.
I have only heard one person say that he wanted to have another referendum and, if that happens, he will abide by the decision.
Passing the buck back to the people is a cop out but we must remember that, in passing the buck back, the politicians have failed, and in a lot of cases, refused to achieve a result commensurate to the result of the vote, so what makes people think that they will do any better next time.
The biggest irony is that people want to give the MPs who have already failed or ignored them, another chance to fuck it all up again.
You couldn't make it up.

Very true, Mr Accrington.

A second referendum would be totally wrong, I wouldn’t rule out it happening either and I agree it would be a total cop out.

But the initial referendum was totally wrong in the first place, held for the wrong reason, with millions voting for the wrong reasons and issues that weren’t particularly relevant to the areas they live in or particularly connected to our membership of the EU. That’s before you mention the outright lies told by some of despots on the Leave campaign.

So do two wrongs make a right? Never.

Everything about it is flawed, why weren’t people who were key figures in the Leave campaign directly invoived in negotiating our exit? Teresa May voted remain, why did she even end up Prime Minister to deliver something she thought was the wrong result?

I think the referendum was promised and called for the wrong reasons. Cameron was trying to strengthen his position in the Tory party by appeasing his Eurosceptics. He never even considered that it would backfire on him, just as May never considered calling a snap election would backfire on her.
However it was promised and was duly put in the hands of the electorate who voted in favour of leave.
Then the shit hit the fan and it is still hitting the fan.
Both the main parties voted overwhelmingly to trigger article 50 but can't agree on the terms of the withdrawal deal.
I believe David Davies is an avid Brexiteer and he was appointed Brexit secretary but later resigned because his party and the others, for varying reasons, couldn't agree the strategy. They are now saying that they weren't consulted, which is another way of saying "this is a fuck up and I don't want to be a part of it"
People like Jeremy Corbyn don't actually know what they want and come up with a different strategy depending on which way the wind is blowing. The only thing he is consistent with is he is trying to get an election out of it and will vote against any deal, whatever it is. As soon as a deal is struck the possibility of a general election goes straight to the back burner, which is why he is frustrating any possibility of closure.
As an aside you will have noticed the disappearance of Abbott in all this, which usually happens when important issues are prevalent and gaffs have to be kept to a minimum.
Hours after the referendum result was announced, when the shit started hitting the fan, I said that we should all now come together and get the best outcome possible. That is still my stance. Anything else weakens the negotiating position. As a negotiator, if you can engender division and strife amongst the other side you are half way there.
Anybody who takes part in a democratically arranged ballot must accept the result, whether they like it or not. Otherwise what is the point?????????
I cannot advise on the shape of the negotiating team as I'm not au fait with the rules and, as I have no influence in that sphere, I am reluctant to research it.
I would recommend one addition to the negotiating team however.......me.
On a point of order, I think we should refrain from making derisory remarks about anybody who's only crime is to vote differently from ourselves.
That's the only way we can expect to be taken seriously.

Correct derwent, seeing shite like gammon or remoaner is just daft.

The only thing for certain is that the people who have been voted in to sort this out are being very clever in playing it dumb and earning a fortune from it in the process.

As a country we're fucked no matter which way it goes.

Headline in the Guardian today;

"EU on no-deal Brexit motion: 'like Titanic voting for iceberg to move'"

At least the pantomime generates some humour!

Oh no it doesn't.

We should go back to the people but just the ones who have not yet used their vote, not the ones who have already voted

We should go back to the people but just the ones who have not yet used their vote, not the ones who have already voted

Oh yea it does!!

I want to go to Loons now

Superb Phil. How can get parliament to arrange for me to have a couple of quiet pints in The Causeway?

I remember once thinking that in the Cotton Club!

Good post Phil.

Great simplified post Phil. Can you please send this to the House of Commons ASAP, but a special request to send a hard copy to that other Loon Rees Smugg.

It's all gone way beyond parody now. The one thing these MPs definitely won't vote for is to bring down May's utterly useless minority government and have a general election. Not when they can all hang on for another two years on a nice wage and in the limelight.

And therein lies part of the problem. Lack of a balanced argument. What about the government funded “outright lies” regarding the economy peddled through every letterbox in the country?

Cool story Phil.

But how about considering this...

Change Loons for The Grange. You like it in The Grange so you all have a vote and decide that you’ll go there every Saturday for ever.

One day The Grange is changed into Loons which although having the same address is a completely different establishment but you are stuck having to go there every Saturday for ever because you all decided that you would when it was still The Grange even though you didn’t know that it was going to change into Loons when you voted to remain there.

The fact that Loons used to be The Grange and was better as The Grange doesn't change anything. Phil and his mates are younger and cooler than you and they want to leave Loons because grumpy old gadgies pining for the good old days of the Grange are bringing everybody down.

Phil's post is very interesting but the problem of having another referendum still hasn't been resolved.
Instead of two options on the ballot paper, he now has three.
!. Leave with May's deal
2. Leave with no deal
3. Remain with our current deal.
That's two leave options versus one remain.
That ballot paper would never get past first base.
Can anyone guess how many interpretations will be put on that by our esteemed parliament when it is presented to them.
If they can't agree to respect a simple yes no result, getting agreement with more options involved will be akin to holding the olympics in a minefield.
Even if we get the most decisive of results the remainers will still block a leave deal and the leavers vice versa.
Our biggest enemy in all this is ourselves.
The EU negotiators must be laughing their cocks off.
The big problem is not getting the electorate's decision, over 30 million turned out in June 2016, it's getting the politicians to act on it, instead of passing the buck.

Ah but the difference between the two groups is the grumpy old gadgies have the opportunity to experience both establishments, whereas the cool young dudes only have the Loons option.

So your suggestion is that everybody should join hands for a singalong regardless of which pub they prefer?

OK, can I suggest

No I'm not suggesting a singalong but if I do you'll be the first to know.
What I am suggesting is that, in my experience, someone who has witnessed both scenarios is usually better equipped to compare and judge.
If you need that explaining further......if I wanted to know the ins and outs of living in France, I would be more likely to ask people like you than someone who has never set foot in the place. HTH

I would explain it like this.
If leave with May's deal and leave with no deal are both on the ballot then almost inevitably some of the leavers would vote for May's deal and some for no deal. I think in fairness some people would consider that to be splitting the leave vote.
To balance the ballot paper up a further option to remain with the current deal could be added. We could have remain with a new deal or something along those lines. It then could be argued that the remain vote would be split.
It's all ifs buts and maybes and most of the discussions I have heard border on frustration. People are simply fed up of the whole sorry mess.
It's no wonder Cameron said "right I'm off" and promptly resigned.
Anyway where have you been hiding????

It's a relief to hear that someone thinks anything to do with Brexit is easily solved. Personally I think politics in Britain will never be the same again, and the longer it drags on the worse it gets. Take a narrow Leave victory, an incompetent PM and a Remainer parliament, and what do you get? Two years of total fucking futility.

Meantime the country is quietly going to the dogs. Here's hoping for a summer of civil disorder to wake all these self-absorbed politicians up.