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 Post subject: Money Talks
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:26 pm 
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A good job.
I cannot remember a game as bad as that dross served up today even under Bates and dare I say it Jones. I know everyone says it’s early days, only 7 games etc. It’s an 18 months project etc. Even at this early stage There should be even signs of a slight improvement
We were completely outplayed, out thought, out fought, out muscled, out everything all over the pitch by a team from a league below us which dominated us from start to finish


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:02 pm 
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I think Money bigged up the Trophy far too much. Since scraping through against Leamington he continuingly talked of getting to the final and making it a great day for the club and fans and kept going on about when Cambridge did it. That sort of talk should have beeen left to the semi-final, if at all, rather than adding to the pressure the team are already under. At least we can concentrate on survival now without the inconvenience of a Wembley cup run. :angry-tappingfoot:


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:06 pm 
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We looked like a ‘team’ (I use the word team in its loosest sense) of 15 year olds who’d just been introduced to each other half an hour ago up against a team of mature players. Their ‘PE teacher’ raged on the touch line and nothing changed.
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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Had the look of a pre-season friendly at times. Money was right to talk this game up, it could of saved our season and given us a platform for next season. Clearly the players didn't see it the same way.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Certainly pulling no punches today, it’s the first time he’s really been critical of the players;

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Today Spennymoor 3 Sutton 0 thats a scoreline we can only dream about it just goes to show there is good players out there that could be playing for pools given the chance.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Too many of our lot have been too comfortable for too long. I’m beginning to wonder whether Money will actually be given the time to sort it out. I don’t think he’ll be sacked, I can just see him chucking the towel in. Needs a good clear out of the playing squad in the summer.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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You could possibly make a decent side out of the best players from Blyth, Spennymoor and Gateshead + a couple of good loanees from NUFC,SAFC,BORO.

I would of also said Harrogate in the past, but they're better than us now , as we will undoubtedly find out next week.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Today Spennymoor 3 Sutton 0 thats a scoreline we can only dream about it just goes to show there is good players out there that could be playing for pools given the chance.


He said as much on the podcast, he won't waste his or our time. If he starts with right team, formation and they give him 100%, no reason why we can't win at Harrogate. It will show us if they have bought into what he wants to do or not, if they go through the motions it could be carnage next week, and then I think he may walk. Money has to make the right decision before the game but after that Its up to the players.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Why are people talking about him walking? It’s mental. To me he sounds determined to get stuck into this job, he said with being appointed just before Christmas and games coming thick and fast he doesn’t even feel like he’s started yet. He’s said to the players after the game today if they want to be here next season they need to be a million times better than that. It’s another example of why he’s right about the whole mentality around the club right now. He’s under no illusions and is speaking a lot of sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Because pj sometimes in life you ask yourself do i really need this shit, i hope he stays and sorts this mess out and if he does good on him.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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He seems the type of bloke who likes a challenge to me, and he’s already said it’s probably his last job so I can’t see him walking without giving it a good go. He’s exactly the type of strong character we need right now.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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History is littered with people who liked a challenge and then ended up on the deck. Some tough guys have tried and failed at Hartlepool, after the job soon ground them down. That's not to say I disagree with you about Money, I don't. The blokes with brains tend to not take up the HUFC challenge in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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1 win in 8 games...great appointment !


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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He talks a lot of sense, but at some point the results have to start doing the talking for him.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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What sense does he talk? He has contraindicated himself every time he speaks. What is the Telford model we need to copy? Winning? He is either willfully tryibg to lose to get more cash out of Raj or he isn't fit to be in the job. He hasn't picked the same team twice.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Talk, only makes sense if what you say has either happened or then happens, hence my saying he now needs results to back up what he says. He may be contradicting himself, I haven't really noticed, as I haven't got it in for him yet , so not looking for faults just yet, but I will take more notice in future when I listen to him as the more he talks without us getting results , will only result in him making a rod for his own back, that tends to be the downfall of genuine people who are plain speakers.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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We should after 5 weeks at least look organised and like we have some semblance of a game plan.

We don't and are looking more clueless and unorganised with every passing game

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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I agree, but is it Money ? or is there a power struggle going on in the dressing room?. Looks like the latter to me, the performances and lack of effort from 4 or 5 players recently can't be passed off as just a bad run of form, its got to be something deeper, maybe they haven't yet got over their mate Mr Bates getting sacked.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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On the commentary today they said Magnay had started the game with the captains armband then passed it to Featherstone when subbed, he passed it to Donaldson when hooked who quickly gave it to Raynes, that says a lot, a guy who's only been at the club 24 hours is saddled with the role three quarters of the way through his first game.....a squad full of leaders we are not..... Farcical.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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My guess is Raynes will be captain very soon and was brought in to be that. Seems strange captain never came out for second half, unusual that, something said at half time perhaps? Our team reminds me of my school team playing days, spitting dummies out left right and centre, I want my mate to play Sir, I'm not playing with him, he is crap why did you sign him? I want to be captain, he was to blame not me......

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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He got took off because he was having a nightmare same as Raynes who was probably given benefit of doubt because it was his first game. Nothing strange about it the manager could have took most of the team off it was that bad. Also if the players were so pally with Bates how come they played crap for him as well and got him sacked .


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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He got took off because he was having a nightmare same as Raynes who was probably given benefit of doubt because it was his first game. Nothing strange about it the manager could have took most of the team off it was that bad. Also if the players were so pally with Bates how come they played crap for him as well and got him sacked .

This seems to have been a feature of the past four years or so of wondering which team will turn up for us and generally it’s been the ‘can’t be arsed, what’s the point, half hearted indifference’ squad who can’t apparently respond to any manager.
I’m afraid there really is a need for a complete flush out of certain established players, a new attitude and culture needed at the club.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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I would suggest it's not just the majority of the players who need to go - it's the whole set up playing side-wise that needs binning. Any player that has been here for more than 2/3 seasons is either crap, or lacks ambition, or is quite content to pick up a wage doing as little as possible, or (most likely) because we can't give them away. As for the 'backroom' team, our youth system has produced nothing of note for years, our fitness coaches (if we have any) have presided over a team regularly out ran by part timers and whose general fitness appear to be appalling, and as for physios etc, even minor seeming injuries sideline players for months. Also, as for coaching in general, when was the last time a player improved during his time with us? We're a complete knacker's yard for players young and old.
There seems to be no real ambition in the club as a whole. Too many people employed by the club appear to under perform and just get away with it, simply because they've become part of the furniture
It's a hell of a mess.
If we can limp through to the end of the season with Money still in charge then he may be the man to start to turn things around. It will require drastic and ruthless action however.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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I take your point but, excepting Luke James a few of years ago and maybe Simpson in the future, I don't think any of those players will perform any higher than the National League (maybe League 2, who knows?), and only Luke James has brought in any real transfer money. I know Walker and Jones went to League clubs but they seem to be finding their true level now. We just don't develop talent, it withers and dies if it stays here too long.


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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phil wrote:
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As for the 'backroom' team, our youth system has produced nothing of note for years


Bit harsh on Hawkes and Simpson, potentially Cunningham and Richardson. Even Walker, Dan Jones and Luke James have managed to carve out a professional career for themselves.

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I don’t thnk it’s harsh on any of them to be honest. James being the best of a bad bunch, but his career has taken a nosedive after his good season with us about 6 years ago. Richardson in particular is abysmal I might add. I hate to single out players but he truly should be nowhere near this side ever again, he offers nothing as a professional footballer and Kioso must be wondering what he has to do to get in the side ahead of him.


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Earlier this season under Matthew Bates, we only lost 2 of our first 17 games, although there were a lot of draws, 5 weeks later....SACKED because we had not won in 8 games.
Under Richard Money's reign so far, 1 win in 8 games. :shock:
Who would want to be a chairman ?


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I take your point but, excepting Luke James a few of years ago and maybe Simpson in the future, I don't think any of those players will perform any higher than the National League (maybe League 2, who knows?), and only Luke James has brought in any real transfer money. I know Walker and Jones went to League clubs but they seem to be finding their true level now. We just don't develop talent, it withers and dies if it stays here too long.


Agree. I would have Dan Jones back in the summer like. He has found his level, now a solid NL defender, not top 2 standard perhaps, but a good player to have on the bench, though if I signed him I wouldn't tell him that.

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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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Earlier this season under Matthew Bates, we only lost 2 of our first 17 games, although there were a lot of draws, 5 weeks later....SACKED because we had not won in 8 games.
Under Richard Money's reign so far, 1 win in 8 games. :shock:
Who would want to be a chairman ?

1 win in 8 over 0 wins in 8 is an improvement surely? :laugh:


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 Post subject: Re: Money Talks
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PJPoolie wrote:
Why are people talking about him walking? It’s mental. To me he sounds determined to get stuck into this job, he said with being appointed just before Christmas and games coming thick and fast he doesn’t even feel like he’s started yet. He’s said to the players after the game today if they want to be here next season they need to be a million times better than that. It’s another example of why he’s right about the whole mentality around the club right now. He’s under no illusions and is speaking a lot of sense.


I still stand by what I said in the title, this is now backed up by what has happened yesterday and listening to part of the podcast. If he is saying he didn’t know the job was as big and only realised the day after being appointed then I reckon he probably informed the powers that be that he couldn’t hack it and to protect the club instead of letting him go they decided to move him upstairs. Still think he’s a good talker!!!!


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