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Hopefully will attract a few more fans down from the collieries.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/w ... -1-9524513
Not sure what its going to be called as i once heard Horden/Peterlee mentioned but as its in Horden it probably will be that???????

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How is that costing £10 million?

I reckon I could do that for £5 million tops, it's a couple of platforms and a car park.


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I am not a rail expert but i think a lot of it is spent on signalling etc but i was very surprised to see the cost of some small civil developments nowadays.

The development is made up of the following according to Wiki;

The station is to have two platforms, with waiting shelters, benches, lighting, help points and CCTV. The platforms are to be linked by a covered footbridge, and the station is to have a car park with space for up to 100 cars as well as facilities for drop-off, taxis and bus services.[16]

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Is there any decent pubs nearby for a booze cruise?

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Very welcome, but built in the middle of nowhere. Reckon it must be on the site or thereabouts of the old Horden station. My concern is it won't be staffed , rife for vandalism and security issues. I also think to make it work as well as staff, there should be stations at other places such as Hart Station, Blackhall , Easington and Dawdon Business Park.


This has been in the making for a number of years and for me, its the government throwing a few bits of corn at a deprived area to keep the MP happy. I certainly wouldnt travel by bus or walk a mile and half from Blackhall to Horden , and remember this is not in the centre of Horden, to get the the train to Hartlepool. I could be wrong , I hope I am, but seems like a White Elephant to me, only time will tell , I did say the same thing about Dalton Park and that proved me wrong.

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I am not a rail expert but i think a lot of it is spent on signalling etc but i was very surprised to see the cost of some small civil developments nowadays.

The development is made up of the following according to Wiki;

The station is to have two platforms, with waiting shelters, benches, lighting, help points and CCTV. The platforms are to be linked by a covered footbridge, and the station is to have a car park with space for up to 100 cars as well as facilities for drop-off, taxis and bus services.[16]


Sounds very much like the Hartlepool Transport Interchange :roll:

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Only time will tell if it puts 1000 on the gate. Seaton Carew has had big increases in passenger numbers as a pick up drop off station.

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I doubt it will attract anyone from the collieries, the current bus service is decent enough. Only good results will attract people down from here, it happened between 2000-2010, but has tailed off since, the love of Sunderland and a dislike of anything Hartlepool is as strong as ever in the collieries I'm afraid.

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........... a dislike of anything Hartlepool is as strong as ever in the collieries I'm afraid.

Er, why sctatchinghead

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horden wrote:
and a dislike of anything Hartlepool is as strong as ever in the collieries I'm afraid.


Fake news..


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I thought the poolie/yakker rivalry ended in the early 80s.

I still find it strange how our accents are so different for such a small distance between hpool n blackhall
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Unless some think Hartlepool is a sleepy, well heeled Surrey suburb in the London commuter belt. sctatchinghead

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I remember playing for Hartlepool against Blackhall not that long ago and one of our players while he was batting being called a 'posh c unt', I think he lived in Welldeck Road at the time :laugh:


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I see they are spending a huge amount on architectural aesthetics according to the artists impression.

If that was a mile from one of a royal palace they would spend more than that on each lamp post, it would be cobbled and made out of sandstone blocks mined in India.

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I remember different, in the colliery villages I lived Sunderland supporters always had pools as their second team and always looked for the results, something to do maybe with both teams once being in County Durham.


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Some do , some don't, its more prevalent amongst the older generation, the young uns go to Hartlepool College etc so that has helped break down some of the past cultural differences.

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My old mum didn't care much for 'townies' (from the Boro and Stockton too) but never thought they were well off - she thought they dragged their bairns up and sent them to school with nits in their hair, unlike proper self-respecting colliery women.

Then again, she was born in the 1920s - if you read about the pioneering work of Doctor M'Gonigle, who was Medical Officer and School Medical Officer for Stockton back in the days before the NHS was founded, urban deprivation was a terrible problem. Move the clock forward a 100 years and we're heading back the same way.

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From what i have read its going to be called "Horden Peterlee".
The old Horden station was closed in 1964.

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My old mum didn't care much for 'townies' (from the Boro and Stockton too) but never thought they were well off - she thought they dragged their bairns up and sent them to school with nits in their hair, unlike proper self-respecting colliery women.

Then again, she was born in the 1920s - if you read about the pioneering work of Doctor M'Gonigle, who was Medical Officer and School Medical Officer for Stockton back in the days before the NHS was founded, urban deprivation was a terrible problem. Move the clock forward a 100 years and we're heading back the same way.

http://heritage.stockton.gov.uk/stories ... m-classic/


That's how I remember it, the people from the collieries thought they were a little bit better, but not in a snob kind of way. My dad once said , when he was a kid , he used to feel sorry for people who lived on the Headland, such were the slum conditions he witnessed as he passed on his way to the pubs over there, and this was from someone who was living in Hesleden at the time, which was no barrel of laughs either.

The main difference was obviously the occupations, miners as opposed to dockers and steelworkers, it would of been the same with Sunderland, only dockers and shipbuilders.The mining villages were organised and orderly that lent itself to the good practices of the womenfolk you talk about Mr Dawes. The towns weren't as close knit, with more unemployment and deprivation and no doubt poorer health due to people living in cramped conditions.

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I am not a rail expert but i think a lot of it is spent on signalling etc but i was very surprised to see the cost of some small civil developments nowadays.

The development is made up of the following according to Wiki;

The station is to have two platforms, with waiting shelters, benches, lighting, help points and CCTV. The platforms are to be linked by a covered footbridge, and the station is to have a car park with space for up to 100 cars as well as facilities for drop-off, taxis and bus services.[16]


More platforms, bridge and parking for more cars than Hartlepool


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I am not a rail expert but i think a lot of it is spent on signalling etc but i was very surprised to see the cost of some small civil developments nowadays.

The development is made up of the following according to Wiki;

The station is to have two platforms, with waiting shelters, benches, lighting, help points and CCTV. The platforms are to be linked by a covered footbridge, and the station is to have a car park with space for up to 100 cars as well as facilities for drop-off, taxis and bus services.[16]


More platforms, bridge and parking for more cars than Hartlepool


I overheard a woman at Hartlepool station asking a member of staff "which platform does the Newcastle train depart from"
Platform 1 was the reply :lol:

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I wonder who weighed in that bridge that used to link the 2 platforms? perks of the job as they used to say.

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Update re Horden Train station it’s been granted planning permission
Published January 07, 2019 2.51pm
Plans to build a new £10.55 million railway station in east Durham have been given the go ahead
The scheme, at Horden, near Peterlee, will see the creation of two 100 metre platforms connected by an accessible footbridge, shelters, a 139-space car park and bus stops. A new access road, footpath and cycleway will also be created.
Initial work is due to start during the next few weeks, with the station expected to open to passengers in spring 2020.
We have been working closely with Network Rail on the project, which will be funded by the authority, with £4.4 million from the Department of Transport's New Stations Fund and a grant from the North East Local Enterprise Partnership.
Cllr Simon Henig, Leader of the council, said: "The new station will significantly improve transport links in the east of the county, providing a boost to the economy and widening employment opportunities for local residents.
"It has been a long time in the making with a lot of hard work involved so it is particularly pleasing that work can now start on a project that will also have knock-on benefits for the wider county."
Much needed rail links
Rail Minster Andrew Jones said: "This is another success story for the government's New Stations Fund and further demonstrates our commitment to delivering better journeys across the north. Alongside major investment in the £2.9 billion Transpennine route upgrade and the £780 million East Coast mainline upgrade, this new station will improve journey times and connections across the region.
"I look forward to seeing the new Horden station providing much-needed new rail links for passengers and a boost to the local economy."
The station will link Horden into the local and regional national train network, with trains stopping hourly in both directions.
A public consultation on the plans in 2016 saw almost 1,400 responses with 98.6 per cent of those who took part saying they would use the station.
Rail industry projections anticipate more than 70,000 passengers could use the station, on South East View, each year.
Significant benefits
Rob McIntosh, Route Managing Director for Network Rail, said: "We are delighted to be working with Durham County Council, North East Local Enterprise Partnership and the Department for Transport on the design and delivery of the new station for Horden, which will bring significant benefit for passengers and to the community.
"This vital project will make sure we can continue to provide a railway which meets the needs of the communities and economies we serve."
Pete Myers, stakeholder manager at Northern Rail, said: "We are thrilled to be supporting the opening of Horden Peterlee train station. The new station will not only improve the transport offering in the local area but will also provide a useful transport link for residents who work in Newcastle, Sunderland, Hartlepool and Teesside."
Helen Golightly, Chief Executive of the North East Local Enterprise Partnership, said:
"It is good news to hear that the development of Horden Station is moving to the next stage. The North East LEP has contributed £3.34m of local growth funding to improve the connectivity for East Durham residents and businesses to link directly to the national rail network."

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I wonder who weighed in that bridge that used to link the 2 platforms? perks of the job as they used to say.


Was wooden if I recall correctly.


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The main difference was obviously the occupations, miners as opposed to dockers and steelworkers, it would of been the same with Sunderland, only dockers and shipbuilders.



No wonder they were tough nights out in the town. Hoards of young miners running into hoards of young shipbuilders. Basically a lot of young men who lifted weights for a living and weren't keen on each other. No guns or knives because they carried built in lump hammers attached to the end of their arms.


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The main difference was obviously the occupations, miners as opposed to dockers and steelworkers, it would of been the same with Sunderland, only dockers and shipbuilders.



No wonder they were tough nights out in the town. Hoards of young miners running into hoards of young shipbuilders. Basically a lot of young men who lifted weights for a living and weren't keen on each other. No guns or knives because they carried built in lump hammers attached to the end of their arms.


Used to dress differently as well. In Sunderland my old man reckons you could tell a miner from a shipyard worker. He told me a story once , there had been a fight in a pub in Sunderland and the police were interviewing the barmaid and he overheard her saying " no doubt about it, he was definitely a miner " as though miners had three heads and werent welcome in the town, and that was a town that was surrounded by collieries and had two colleries within it. I even remember as a kid, headlines in the Hartlepool Mail " Miner arrested etc " as though they were some alien species.

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Downside is the current rolling stock is no better than when Horden station was last used by passengers.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
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The main difference was obviously the occupations, miners as opposed to dockers and steelworkers, it would of been the same with Sunderland, only dockers and shipbuilders.



No wonder they were tough nights out in the town. Hoards of young miners running into hoards of young shipbuilders. Basically a lot of young men who lifted weights for a living and weren't keen on each other. No guns or knives because they carried built in lump hammers attached to the end of their arms.




The old hod carrier gangs of their day would have wiped the floors with all of them..


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The main difference was obviously the occupations, miners as opposed to dockers and steelworkers, it would of been the same with Sunderland, only dockers and shipbuilders.



No wonder they were tough nights out in the town. Hoards of young miners running into hoards of young shipbuilders. Basically a lot of young men who lifted weights for a living and weren't keen on each other. No guns or knives because they carried built in lump hammers attached to the end of their arms.




The old hod carrier gangs of their day would have wiped the floors with all of them..


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Downside is the current rolling stock is no better than when Horden station was last used by passengers.

The infamous pacers, you can tell when they’re approaching the level crossing in Church Street before they appear, the squealing wheels in the distance :laugh:
Someone described them as 20,000 loose rivets travelling in formation along the track, we really do have the shittest rolling stock and service. That line could open up the North East with a better service, but we always settle for shit up here.

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Downside is the current rolling stock is no better than when Horden station was last used by passengers.

The infamous pacers, you can tell when they’re approaching the level crossing in Church Street before they appear, the squealing wheels in the distance :laugh:
Someone described them as 20,000 loose rivets travelling in formation along the track, we really do have the shittest rolling stock and service. That line could open up the North East with a better service, but we always settle for shit up here.


I wrote to my MP a few years ago about the state of the trains, mainly the packed 2 carriages on a Saturday to Newcastle. I got a 3 page reply back from one of the top blokes in Northern Rail, he was dead apologetic and sounded like he was embarrassed at the job he had to do, though I'm sure his salary more than made up for it.


He told me , and I couldn't believe this, that Manchester were getting new trains in and around 2021 and that we would be getting their old rolling stock, which were a lot newer than what we currently see on the rails in the NE. That for me told me everything I needed to know about the North Easts standing in the new world order. Mind you, those so called new trains have still to arrive, I will believe it when I see it.

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I remember the delightful day when me and my mate, must have been about 17 y.o. at the time, got surrounded by the entire youth of Blackhall in Crimdon Dene.
We tried to bluff our way out pretending we were yakkers but failed, so we did the next best thing, i.e., rolled up into a ball.
They weren't going to pretend to be in a Bruce Lee film and politely wait their turn to attack.

I was working at ICI at the time and there were some pretty tasty girls down from Horden waiting at Billog station every day.

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"20,000 loose rivets travelling in formation along the track"

What a brilliant description clappp :lol: clappp

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I remember the delightful day when me and my mate, must have been about 17 y.o. at the time, got surrounded by the entire youth of Blackhall in Crimdon Dene.
We tried to bluff our way out pretending we were yakkers but failed, so we did the next best thing, i.e., rolled up into a ball.
They weren't going to pretend to be in a Bruce Lee film and politely wait their turn to attack.

I was working at ICI at the time and there were some pretty tasty girls down from Horden waiting at Billog station every day.


It's more tribal than that - they'd have done exactly the same to a couple of stray Horden lads.

When me and my mate Ronnie were about 15 hormones got the better of us and we went to a dance in a different Trimdon to the one we grew up in. Surprisingly, nothing kicked off in the church hall, but as everyone was tipping out Ronnie yelled "See you next week blue coat" to a lass he fancied (us Yakkers are all silver-tongued devils).

Cue half a dozen lads pelting towards us, so we legged it. For the only time I can remember I outpaced him and he was the one they caught up with. Poetic justice really.


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Footbridge at Hartlepool (West) station.

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Footbridge at Hartlepool (West) station.

http://www.hhtandn.org/gallery/30/hartl ... therington


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Here's one for you, picture of the coal depot that once adjoined Blackhall Rocks station, demolished in very late 70s or early 80s.


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Footbridge at Hartlepool (West) station.

http://www.hhtandn.org/gallery/30/hartl ... therington


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Here's one for you, picture of the coal depot that once adjoined Blackhall Rocks station, demolished in very late 70s or early 80s.


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Cheers ...those vehicles look like............old 1930s?

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Footbridge at Hartlepool (West) station.

http://www.hhtandn.org/gallery/30/hartl ... therington


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Here's one for you, picture of the coal depot that once adjoined Blackhall Rocks station, demolished in very late 70s or early 80s.


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Cheers ...those vehicles look like..........old 1930s?



The Coal Tippers of the day I imagine , you forget about the hundreds of people who must of done these jobs, that no longer exist.

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Yes very true. My father in law worked at Kelloe (i think) (doggy??) then Easington.

A friend of mine who is not from around here thinks its the coolest name for anywhere hes been.
Blackhall "ROCKS"

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Is the Legion still open in Horden? Seem to remember my Nan dragging me in there one night when I was a kid.

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Not as a Legion as such, but some sort of bar, god knows when it opens, probably only weekends , like a lot of places these days

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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:
It's more tribal than that - they'd have done exactly the same to a couple of stray Horden lads.

Can they identify each other by their accents, like townies from West Park and Milbank Road?

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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:
It's more tribal than that - they'd have done exactly the same to a couple of stray Horden lads.

Can they identify each other by their accents, like townies from West Park and Milbank Road?


It's easier than that - apart from the Catholics everyone goes to the same village school. You play football with the RC lads, so basically you know everybody. And everybody knows who your mam and dad are!


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Bluestreak wrote:
Yes very true. My father in law worked at Kelloe (i think) (doggy??) then Easington.



Doggy is (was?) the name for West Cornforth, not Kelloe. My uncle worked at Kelloe and my dad at Easington.

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Bluestreak wrote:
Yes very true. My father in law worked at Kelloe (i think) (doggy??) then Easington.



Doggy is (was?) the name for West Cornforth, not Kelloe. My uncle worked at Kelloe and my dad at Easington.


True, the pit in the village of Kelloe was called East Hetton Colliery

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The Fat Man wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
Yes very true. My father in law worked at Kelloe (i think) (doggy??) then Easington.



Doggy is (was?) the name for West Cornforth, not Kelloe. My uncle worked at Kelloe and my dad at Easington.


My grandad worked at Kelloe too; lived in Quarrington Hill. Grandad on my mother's side worked at Fishburn, then Horden.

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The Fat Man wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
Yes very true. My father in law worked at Kelloe (i think) (doggy??) then Easington.



Doggy is (was?) the name for West Cornforth, not Kelloe. My uncle worked at Kelloe and my dad at Easington.


Yes thanks thats it = West Cornforth. Was it called Doggy and why?
I think he was transferred from there to Easington when it closed and i remember him saying he liked W Cornforth (good mates etc) but did not like Easington as it was big and impersonal.
After my original post i tried to research the pits of Durham but found little on the internet and this is all i found http://www.dmm.org.uk/misc/contact.htm which looks a bit old and user unfriendly. It would be a great project for someone to put together a shit hot website to capture all this info for future generations.

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Bluestreak wrote:
The Fat Man wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
Yes very true. My father in law worked at Kelloe (i think) (doggy??) then Easington.



Doggy is (was?) the name for West Cornforth, not Kelloe. My uncle worked at Kelloe and my dad at Easington.


Yes thanks thats it = West Cornforth. Was it called Doggy and why?
I think he was transferred from there to Easington when it closed and i remember him saying he liked W Cornforth (good mates etc) but did not like Easington as it was big and impersonal.
After my original post i tried to research the pits of Durham but found little on the internet and this is all i found http://www.dmm.org.uk/misc/contact.htm which looks a bit old and user unfriendly. It would be a great project for someone to put together a shit hot website to capture all this info for future generations.


Yeah that website is a bit clunky. I find the Durham Mining Museum group on Facebook useful for any questions and info. A lot of the miners from the inland pits around Ferryhill etc were transferred to Blackhall. Blackhall was known as one of , if not the friendliest pit, and there was generally a good relationship, though not in a lickey arse sort of way , between management and union. It needs to be captured but apart from pics I think a lot of the stories will die out with the miners themselves. Probably the youngest person to have worked down a pit around here will be 51 years old now at least.

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Montpoolier wrote:
I remember the delightful day when me and my mate, must have been about 17 y.o. at the time, got surrounded by the entire youth of Blackhall in Crimdon Dene.
We tried to bluff our way out pretending we were yakkers but failed, so we did the next best thing, i.e., rolled up into a ball.
They weren't going to pretend to be in a Bruce Lee film and politely wait their turn to attack.




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