From Tonights Mail....

"A MAN has been banned from attending football matches for three years after police repeatedly spotted him mingling with known troublemakers.
Ray Bailey was described in court as a "high risk supporter" who had become known to officers at both Hartlepool United games and England internationals.
The 28-year-old is now banned from entering every designated sports ground in England and Wales and from attending England matches.
Cleveland Police's football intelligence unit decided to seek a ban after monitoring his behaviour over a five-year period.
Bailey, 28, from Patterdale Street, Belle Vue, Hartlepool, argued that he had never been arrested or charged in connection with football violence.
But Rebecca Smith, representing Cleveland Police, told town magistrates: "For five years he has associated himself with known risk supporters and has done nothing to remove himself from these known risk supporters over this period of time."
Miss Smith gave the court three examples of Bailey's activities. She said he was part of a group "involved in disorder" at the Ayresome Park pub, in Middlesbrough, on the day of England's game with Slovakia in June 2003.
The same year he was identified in a gang that had a fight with Shrewsbury Town supporters in Hartlepool's Stockton Road.
Last October he was also spotted among a group of Pools' followers who approached a police cordon in Church Street, Hartlepool, while the officers were escorting Darlington fans.
Miss Smith said: "The group tried to push forward and the police would say this contributed towards the disorder level. There were members of the public in the street, old people and families. They would not consider this everyday behaviour and would want the disorder to stop."
Bailey, who represented himself, did not oppose the banning order application.
Yet he told magistrates: "Fair enough. I have been there but I have done nothing wrong.
"If I have been there for five years why have I not been arrested or any criminal charges brought against me? I have known these people for 10 years not five but I have done nothing else."
But magistrates approved the application and ordered Bailey to pay £70 costs."

So now if you hang about or are seen drinking in the vicinity of known offenders you can be arrested and charged and took to court!!!!

Please be careful fellow Bunkerites....you could one day be having a drink or just talking with someone who in the past has recieved a Parking Ticket....you could then be arrested and charged for the same offence!!!!

THIS FECKING COUNTRY!!!!

Surely all we have to do is avoid Salty and it will be o.k.

But actually yeah, that is wrong, very wrong.
Personally I think you shouldnt hang around with knobheads and violent people but I understand why people do and his point about not being arrested in five years is spot on.
Thats disgusting that is; way over the top the fucking fascist twats

Hmm... a difficult one.

Chances are that he is a bit of a dodgy character and probably the allegations have some truth in it. however he was charged with no crime and if the Police think he should have been then its clear that they didn't have enough evidence to bring a prosecution.

That said [effects a Rumpolesque stance] one of the principal threads of justice in this country is that you are innocent until found guilty by twelve of your peers in a court of law. Once the Police start to become judge and jury its a very dark day.

but i will sit on the fence on this one

An interesting dilemma this. A bit like new childcare guidelines about identifying children at risk before anything untoward happens and providing intervention & support, parents argue tey haven't done anything wrong so why are they being singled out.

In this case if, and I agree it is only an if, the person in question had later been involved in some football violence & it came to light that the police had been collecting information about him for 5 years and was thought to be likely to commit a crime, everyone would be complaining and asking why the police had not done anything earlier. Similar to some of the recent terrorist suspects. It's a bit of a no win situation for the police and authorities. On the other hand I can clearly see Mutley's argument - where will it all end, if you associate with say people who use illicit drugs or may be known to have taken part in criminal activities are you guilty by association?

Now I've got splinters in my arse from sitting on the fence!

Derrick Bentley guilty by association he was older than the perpetrator so they hung him
a long time ago true but he did get a posthumous pardon

you're probably right there sarf, what with my police record and all

This a good un
Guilty by association Derek Bentley ( Let him have Chris is one of the best films IMO)
Guilty by association
Rose West
Maxine Carr
Innocent?

Without getting myself in bother,i can say this is as much to do as his "other" ah hem...off the field activities shall we say.

On the same note i read the other day how in America,if you have a criminal record for such things as drug pushing&burglary,violent crime etc,you are automatically banned from attending sporting events...i think this is the way to go in keeping scum out.

who edited my post?

if sarf wants to make implications about me he should expect to get called for it!

'Without getting myself in bother,i can say this is as much to do as his "other" ah hem...off the field activities shall we say.'

What "off the field activities"????

SCUM????

Can you be a bit more specific on both points Mr.Crimson????

"Scum" as in drug dealers,Burglars,Kiddy Fiddlers/Abusers.....keep the fookin lot out if you ask me.

By this i wasnt ref to this lad,but he isnt whiter than white.

Believe me when i say theres plenty of people out there who do these things,they just have`nt been able to convict them yet cos our systems to soft.

Lets just be thankful for Fray Bentos Pies.

I'll tell you one thing there wont be many on here who have been to as many games as he has in the last 5 years. Yeah even the ones on tuesday nights and far away places were no trouble is expected.

Its nearly as bad as a couple of year ago a pools supporter was banned for racism. The match was against oldham he was caught chanting racist songs stood next to a mate of his who just happened to be black racist but stood next to a mate of his who was black.

got an even better one. Was at DALOW early eighties and my mate was being ejected for hurling abuse at their fans. When i pointed out to the copper How can he hurl abuise He is Deaf and Dumb. You should have seen their faces.

The lad should take his case to the Euro Court of human rights. It is a disgrace. Why can't the police invest their resources into getting rid of the persistant petty shop lifters who plague the town centre, manny to fund their addictions. Or spend more time catching people who break into houses and make families lives a nightmare.

I agree with everything that Mr Mutley has said in this thread.......

I walked around to the mother-in-laws in the next street tonight, to pick up the other half, and escort her safely home. On the way I passed two Police cars parked together, the occupants of one leaning in the window of the other, having a nice chat. As I passed them I noticed as well as the usual 'Cleveland Police' signs on the car they both had stencilled on them 'Neighbourhood Policing'. I literally laughed out loud as I passed them, at this idea, and the two coppers turned and looked at me, obviously not understanding my amusement. As I walked, hand in hand with my better half, five minutes later they had gone, presumably to continue their 'Neighbourhood Policing'. If only they managed to get out of their cars, apart from chatting to each other, and walked their 'beats' they might actually achieve the 'Neighourhood Policing' their stencilled signs indicated they were trying to achieve.