Here you have a bloke willing to put over a million quid into the pot to save Pools. He has negotiated a negligible pay off for Sage it is claimed.

Jeff Stelling is chipping in.

If all that is true then its a good deal but it is likely to fall without other investors.

You'd better make your mind up because its the only option on the current club.

Have some respect, He's the only bloke willing to open his cheque book so irrespective of what happened at Darlo, back him or its liquidation. I don't believe that would be the end by the way but staying in this league without the sage debt is better.

I'm in.

Here, here. It seems to me that it's as good deal as we're going to get so, instead of criticising Singh, we should be giving the consortium our full backing.

My donation is on it's way!!

Some have mentioned selling shares instead of donations to the Trust fund. Am I right that you can’t sell shares in something that doesn’t exist? Would be a lot of shareholders at an AGM though!

No reason why a large group couldn't join the consortium, its just a question of share structure. I don't believe Raj would differentiate between the trust and another group of shareholders as long as the total funds work. None of those are exclusive.

I don't get it Mr I. In other threads you're saying we don't have enough info to make a decision yet within 24hrs you've decided we need to get our money in. What's changed in such a short space of time?

I also don't get the 'have some respect' comment. It has nothing to do with respect. All I, personally, know about the bloke is he has a seemingly dodgy past directly related to the current scenario. He has a fucking lot to prove to me and if he is 100% genuine he should be bending over backwards to prove it.

A million pound or 10 fucking quid, it's all relevant. I doubt he'll be on the bones of his arse as a result. I have no idea what his motives are. None. Should I back that because there is nothing else when all I have to go on is his being involved in Darlo's demise?

Sorry, not enough for me.

And despite what you may think, I want it all to be legit and marvellous. I am just being ruled by my head not my heart.

The current shareholders runs to ten pages. Incidentally, those like you will still be shareholders.

I have also mentioned caveats. No ground handover and Sage's debt written off or minimised.I'm talking on face value and of course we need to see detail but he is putting seven figures in so that has to be taken seriously. I guess I also have the advantage of a long conversation with him so I do start off with a bit more faith than others.

If the money Singh is 'putting in' is a loan we could be swapping one debtor for another and find ourselves in the same situation in two years time.

If Singh wants to control the club he should buy in, not use loan money.

As I've said an open and honest meeting would help get people on side. One that isn't hosted by a local journo and the floor is open to sensible questions. Obviously time isn't something we have an abundance of but hopefully something could be put together.

I think Trust members have done well to answer a whole host of questions so far. Unless the NDA is lifted there probably isn’t much more that can be said.

I'd be mostly interested in hearing Raj speak.

I keep reading that but I don’t get it. And when I read the reasons why they just seem to contradict.

Unless you have 6 figure sums to personally invest then the trust is the way to donate and have some say in the club.

I agree small individual shares would be worthless and give the person no say whatsoever. Clubbing together as a Trust would gave all fans some collective involvement.

Just feels like “anybody but the trust” with some (albeit the real minority) still, even when it is spelled out in black and white how dire it is. Shame.

Do anyone think that Mr Blue will ever accept that he is the man solely responsibly for the divide in the fans that is responsible for this unfortunate shitstorm of fan arguments?

....and therefore a major player in what maybe the demise of HUFC as we know it !

I’ve tried. Some seem to be more interested in petty squabbles than having a Trust involved. I don’t understand it but that’s the way it seems to be.

Bresslaw man, let it lie.

Dredging things back up is the last thing we need.

The situation now facing ALL Poolies is to either follow Jeff and put money into the Trust fund, or sit back and do nothing. There is no other choice.

That's all we need to focus on, not who said what.

That’s the point though, it’s so black and white now and yet you would think not reading some comments.

Suppose similar to what you are saying, if people still don’t get it then may as well focus on the ones who do and let the others sit back.

I agree, yet still he cracks on with his own agenda preaching on his board. Don’t shout at me, shout at him !

I’m ‘dredging’ fuck-all. It’s happening now !

‘But we haven't heard from Raj or Jeff only the trust since news broke on Sunday about a deal been done ,maybe after the game we will hear more from the people actually taking over the club ,not those trying to get a piece of the cake .’


Half an hour ago !

Just ignore him.

The problem is people, not me, aren’t ignoring him.

If he shut down his anti/trust board then support would grow massively

It will grow anyway now. We are at the final stop on the journey. It's the choice between continuing to play at this level or phoenix. What do Poolies really want?

Yes Tony, the wine is lovely. I don’t know how you sleep at night !!!

Paying too much attention to the other board is exaggerating the importance of boards in general - including this one. Most paying Poolies get by just fine without reading endless opinions from other fans.

And on both boards there's people whose instinct is to keep HUFC 1908 on the road, people who think a phoenix club is the right way to go (even old Bluey can't ban them all) and people who just enjoy stoking the chew.

Casting no nasturtiums.

I get it completely. Fully aware. No club.

We've been here before.

IOR kept the club going but with seemingly zero interest in doing anything more than to take money out.

The we have Coxberg. I need say no more. But at the outset, all looked good...ish. Free buses, nice one.

Then in rides Queen Pam and everything looked cool again.

So here we go again. Only this time, the knight in shining armour has a past of being heavily involved in the demise of our nearest neighbours.

I think everybody gets it. I also don't think it's black and white whether we should support it or not. The results of zero support may be black and white, no club, but we need to know whether we're throwing good money after bad or not.

Granted. But there would be far more clarity and a singular aim if he would just shut the fuxk up !!

Enough from me now !

Granted. But there would be far more clarity and a singular aim if he would just shut the fuxk up !!

Enough from me now !

[quote="shilts"][quote="congress_tart"][quote="poolieinnottingham"]Bresslaw man, let it lie.

IOR kept the club going but with seemingly zero interest in doing anything more than to take money out.

Really? I think there are some fantasy that people think this club makes a profit. You have seen what happens when Coxhall and Goldberg have removed cash from the club - brink of bankruptcy.

IOR may have used tax relief and other reasons for putting cash in the club but I doubt they took any out.

Yes because Luke James and Jack Baldwin's money was so well invested back into the team.

Beat me to it

Jeff pretty convincing regarding Raj on BBC Tees just now. Also realistic about what fans can raise. Feeling a tiny bit more positive actually, despite the result.

It wasn’t invested in the team it was used to run the club. We paid all of our bills to sustain the club.

It wasn’t used for outright theft or to cover a massive mistake which is quite a big difference.

Correct, it's just a slower death as we fall down the divisions due to zero investment and no interest in improving.

A bit harsh on IOR maybe and they aren't really the main culprits, not by a long way, however the problems did start with them.

Tony, when you allow discourse rather than blocking people on every forum you populate, you may be taken seriously.

Sorry I have had to post this here.

Ffs what the hell has this got to do with this thread? I for one don’t give a shit about your petty squabble with a guy from a different messageboard, and I don’t expect that the vast majority of other people on here do either, so stop polluting the threads on here talking about it.

Set up your own messageboard to talk about it if you want, but it doesn’t belong on here. I can’t believe that the admins are allowing it tbh.

That’s why I apologised for it being in here

Could not agree more with this. Nobody is interested.


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Ok. No worries

What I can't understand is why Singh doesn't buy the club lock stock and barrel. If he has 1.2 million , he will probably have 1.8 million. Why does he want a consortium to raise the rest?. I'm guessing here, but I reckon he is a person who just wants to be loved, wants the adulation that comes from saving and then hopefully running a successful football club , but this isn't Man City or even Newcastle United, this is Hartlepool United, arguably the most unsuccessful club in the history of English professional football , whose supporters are brow beaten after 110 years of mostly failure, its going to be no easy ride. And that is my concern, Singh proved at Darlo that he doesn't take to criticism lightly. Has he the stomach for the fight, I'm not so sure.

PS. Or is he testing the water? if the fans didn't put in the rest of the money,, would he put in the full whack regardless? especially if there is some sort of property deal in the background, what is 600k against the profits to be made from building houses.

A lot of his money might be tied up in a businesses and property and it might not be accessible. Sounds like he has a little bit of money to 'play with' that hes put towards this project and he cant justify any more.

You are right tho this might be a test, if the fans raise the rest he knows he has them on side.

On that logic you can probably afford to buy Pools.

I'm starting to come round to the idea, Raj will always have his doubters but what do we have to lose? If we're in the same situation in 2 years so what? We've given ourselves 2 extra years of Pools, hopefully they'll be better than the last few.
If those 2 years are stable then maybe one particular fan will forget about trying to sabotage the Trust and find a new hobby.

A bit of perspective please. "Zero investment" would be a good description of noted pig farmer Vince Barker's time as chairman at Pools (mid-70s-mid-80s). Pools almost went bankrupt more than once, players were paid late, players were sold to pay tax bills, and in 1982 a Pools fan's group raised £4k (almost £10K in today's money) to help 'save the club.'

Then in 1993 major league chancer Gary Gibson almost destroyed the club all over again. Pools were only saved by a CVA and flogging off all the decent players, taking us from near the top of the Third Division to near the bottom of the Fourth in a couple of seasons.

In all my time following Pools the club has had only 3 decent regimes - John Smart, Harold Hornsey and IOR phase one. It's a familiar story for all lower league clubs. A 100% fan-owned club would eliminate the chancers - but also rule out the possibility of hitting the jackpot with another Birge Larsen.

Im pretty sure a 100% fan owned club would always be open to discussions about passing the club on should a wealthy benefactor appear and meet any criteria etc.

He wants a partnership with the fans but basically wants to see the colour of our money first. Darlo fans said they could chip in but actually didn't at that time.

Raj can crack on for me like, himself, Jeff and the Trust sounds good to me. Hopefully Raj sees it as an opportunity to show what Darlo could have had and put right a few wrongs.

Think he needs to say something like, even just a statement to one of the rags etc.