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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:56 pm 
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It's about one sad individual doing everything in his power to put people off joining the Trust.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:59 pm 
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He's got one of those faces hasn't he? The sort you wouldn't trust around kids.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:01 pm 
I dont know they guy but he is seriously anti trust. So much so I doubt he could do a 180 degree u-turn now so is carrying on his one man hate campaign regardless.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:03 pm 
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He's got one of those faces hasn't he? The sort you wouldn't trust around kids.


He's got the sort of comedy nose I could see myself smearing all over his smug greasy face.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:09 pm 
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One of them said he will stop following Pools if they get sent down to the northern league.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:18 pm 
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They would follow a club run by crooks and fraudsters, and blindly hand over cash to someone blatantly robbing them, but would stop going if actual fans of the club took over or were forced to take over ? You wouldn't want them fighting in the trenches alongside you would you ?
One of the things stopping investors getting involved is division among the fans but when you actually look at it there about 6 of them stirring the shit day in and day out. Bloke running that group should just ban them as they are clearly out to cause chew.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:23 pm 
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They would follow a club run by crooks and fraudsters, and blindly hand over cash to someone blatantly robbing them, but would stop going if actual fans of the club took over or were forced to take over ? You wouldn't want them fighting in the trenches alongside you would you ?
One of the things stopping investors getting involved is division among the fans but when you actually look at it there about 6 of them stirring the shit day in and day out. Bloke running that group should just ban them as they are clearly out to cause chew.


Typical Hartlepool negative attitude, so fucking sad


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:24 pm 
A few of them hate Mr I with a passion but not one of them has explained why or what he has done. Yet the same people never ever questioned Coxall until it was too late whereas the fella they hate so much did and outed him. Mr I got the ground protected, started the trust and led Pooliepride which made £20,000 for charity. Yet he gets more abuse than Coxall ever did. Some people are beyond sense.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:32 pm 
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It absolutely makes me despair, I've seen reports of trusts all over the country flourish when the fans see their club in trouble. They understand the ideology and get right on board.. not in Hartlepool, it's seen as a power grab or something equally absurd. Ridiculous stance which has been a contributing factor to the downfall of the club.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:40 pm 
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Every single Hartlepool fan could join the Trust but Hacksworth would still be sitting in his faux gold chair with cotton buds in his ears constant telling the tide that it must stop coming in because he really is King Canute (say it quickly) On the other hand people like Mr Blue And Mike Lewis could probably be cajoled into channelling their obvious love for the club into helping us survive.

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I’m not sure these last few comments are particularly helpful. Can we stop the personal insults, I totally agree that some of the things thrown at Mr I are disproportionate and I also believe the anti trust feelings are borderline irrational but we can’t descend to this level here. Go on the facebook page if you want to make physical threats or personal comments.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:55 am 
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Not sure of your Trust’s recent “problems”, suffice to say the current membership for today’s situation is way too low for its purpose. The Trust now seems to be the only option / catalyst available barring last-minute interventions but it has to be seen to be a credible option to the wider public and to the public and legal bodies involved. And it needs funds now, irrespective of past allegiances to Mr I (who I think has achieved much during his tenure).


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1000 out of an average attendance of 3200 ?? I don't think that's "Low" at all. Take the kids out of the average crowd (that's at least 800...anybody arguing any different must have their eyes closed, there are lots of kids in the crowd at Pools) and you are talking 1 Trust Member per 2.4 of the average attendance.

Just out of interest, how many members do Darlo Trust have Pete?


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Christopher Hackworth Just answer the question. Be open and honest unlike the bloke you were about to bin before he quit. You need to be open and honest
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Does anyone know who this fucking cretin is ?


He used to post on here for years and always get my back up massively (I know who doesn't :laugh: ) as he was a Sunderland season ticket holder who admittedly went to a lot of Pools games home and away but he was always ultra negative about players and managers whilst talking absolute shite, the perfect marriage. I'm not sure what anyone has done to him on here or from the trust he especially seemed to have it in for Mr I but it's fucking laughable reading him talking about 'clearing the air' and 'change' from the Trust when the daft fooker has been one of the main protagonists in it all. Shall we chip in and get him his Sunderland ticket back?


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Currently I believe the Supporters Group (the Trust and Supporters Club amalgamated some time back) has a similar number; the Trust on its own during our crisis years had 1700 at its peak, when we were a quarter partnership in a consortium. My point is that you guys may be all that’s between the club and it’s demise. Hopefully you can count on JS who is a great asset. If extremes such as Admin are to be tackled you’ll need every member (and high quality ones at that) and all the funding you can raise.


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QuakerPete wrote:
Currently I believe the Supporters Group (the Trust and Supporters Club amalgamated some time back) has a similar number; the Trust on its own during our crisis years had 1700 at its peak, when we were a quarter partnership in a consortium. My point is that you guys may be all that’s between the club and it’s demise. Hopefully you can count on JS who is a great asset. If extremes such as Admin are to be tackled you’ll need every member (and high quality ones at that) and all the funding you can raise.


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PJPoolie wrote:
returnofaido wrote:
Christopher Hackworth Just answer the question. Be open and honest unlike the bloke you were about to bin before he quit. You need to be open and honest
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Does anyone know who this fucking cretin is ?


He used to post on here for years and always get my back up massively (I know who doesn't :laugh: ) as he was a Sunderland season ticket holder who admittedly went to a lot of Pools games home and away but he was always ultra negative about players and managers whilst talking absolute shite, the perfect marriage. I'm not sure what anyone has done to him on here or from the trust he especially seemed to have it in for Mr I but it's fucking laughable reading him talking about 'clearing the air' and 'change' from the Trust when the daft fooker has been one of the main protagonists in it all. Shall we chip in and get him his Sunderland ticket back?

Is that ChrisSAFC or whatever he was called?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:21 am 
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That would be him, as I say posted on here for years. I agree with Aido though when he says he's been one of the very worst through all of this.


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QuakerPete wrote:
Currently I believe the Supporters Group (the Trust and Supporters Club amalgamated some time back) has a similar number; the Trust on its own during our crisis years had 1700 at its peak, when we were a quarter partnership in a consortium. My point is that you guys may be all that’s between the club and it’s demise. Hopefully you can count on JS who is a great asset. If extremes such as Admin are to be tackled you’ll need every member (and high quality ones at that) and all the funding you can raise.


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High quality ones !! um ! that's got me worried :roll:

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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
At the moment there is a severe lack of them on the trust board. If you are capable of putting together a good business plan and realistic cash flow projections then put you hands up.


I have spent 20 minutes putting together the attached file.

There are lots of flaws with this Cash Flow, all figures are basically made up based on an assumption - and some of the formulas e.g calculating the VAT are not 100% correct.

This is for illustrative purposes only but could be used to begin to add figures and develop a picture of the clubs running costs.

If anyone is able to get hold of information regarding rent, rates, utilities, match day staff, sponsorship, emergency services etc then it becomes practical for us to understand what the non-playing staff costs are, figure out what sort of a budget the club under Trust ownership can afford and the difference becomes our playing budget.


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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Thank you everyone, some of your comments have been quite touching.

While I'm on, I see that Chris Musgrave has walked away. He has said that he was good for £1.5m but the running cost (not the debt, thats written off) exceeded that. This means that all options are exhausted. I was part of the Singh / Hignett / Stelling meeting and the numbers achievable weren't anywhere near that.

That leaves administration as the very likely next step and Pools are going to need every penny. I would therefore urge everyone not to give a penny to Sage including the 'just giving' money. Duxbury has proved herself and incompetent liar. Others trusted her despite her failing to keep her word. I stated this loudly as a member of the trust board a long time ago but was not listened to.

Administration followed by liquidation will probably happen within days. Pools will be in the league below Darlo. I said the other day that a Trust isn't needed if Musgrave buys. Now a Community Club is the only option but it needs business skills to rally round. At the moment there is a severe lack of them on the trust board. If you are capable of putting together a good business plan and realistic cash flow projections then put you hands up.

The good part is that the club will start from a clean slate so costs and revenues are projectable now. More importantly, the ground is not under threat.
Good luck and best wishes to you.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:40 pm 
We need the Trust and the Trust NEEDS Mr.I!!!!


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We need the Trust and the Trust NEEDS Mr.I!!!!


Here here Mr Mutley. I concur as well as the other sentiments towards Mr I. Hopefully Mr I can retrospect on his achievements and return stronger than ever.

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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
At the moment there is a severe lack of them on the trust board. If you are capable of putting together a good business plan and realistic cash flow projections then put you hands up.


I have spent 20 minutes putting together the attached file.

There are lots of flaws with this Cash Flow, all figures are basically made up based on an assumption - and some of the formulas e.g calculating the VAT are not 100% correct.

This is for illustrative purposes only but could be used to begin to add figures and develop a picture of the clubs running costs.

If anyone is able to get hold of information regarding rent, rates, utilities, match day staff, sponsorship, emergency services etc then it becomes practical for us to understand what the non-playing staff costs are, figure out what sort of a budget the club under Trust ownership can afford and the difference becomes our playing budget.


Great initiative, Mr 85. Maybe the Bunker or indeed anyone else can add input, debate this, and arrive at some sort of reasoned consensus on the liabilities. It's a starting point and something from which a realistic proposition for the Trust might evolve. clappp

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