She did not win me over and I said at the time!

Maybe she didnt convince you but so what? Show me the other alternatives that were there at the time. From memory there werent any. There are a few people still claiming the trust are guilty of this or guilty of that, and one or two, idiots, claiming the trust should have handed their funds over to Pam a while ago.

It seems the trust cant win. Even though I suspect they will win ultimately. Much better that Jeff and the trust run the club in the future than say anither jumped up property developer whose real interest would lie elsewhere.

Like has been said what was the alternative?

She had a background turning around failing businesses and the statements and the way she was conducting herself was far more professional than the previous incumbent (mind that’s not saying a lot!) Plus everything seemed a lot more open and honest, no bullshit promises or ‘big plans’ I didn’t picture this position six months down the line even though it was clear the club had been left in the shit. I just think people want to know how we have arrived at a position where the club is running at a £200,000 shortfall a month and where the money has gone and is going.

She was only here because she wanted her money back plain and simple.
I hope she did not draw a wage!!!!
If she was stupid enough to lend money to Coxhall and thought she would make money on it, then tough!
Walk away and take the debt with you.
They are all criminals and should have legal proceedings taken against them!

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Of course she will be drawing a wage who works for free? She’s perfectly entitled to a wage I’d be interested to see what it is mind!

Think you're being a bit harsh on the trust. Remember that there were a number of very vocal fans who were insistent that the trust was simply interested in the taking over the club and had no interest making the club work in the short term. If they had taken an oppositional stance, as you suggest, this would have only fed those beliefs. I suspect you were right, but that doesn't mean the trust were wrong to take the stance they did.

Why, what was she doing before Pools?
Where was her wage coming in from before Pools?
She was brought in by Coxhall!! Enough said!

She didn't put any money into the club

The trust were hoodwinked.
I don't blame them at all but just wish they had not had their minds changed.
Last June they were not given the books, which they were promised.
Therefore the lady was not for trusting!

So she had nothing to do with the loan! Don't think so!

Working at Pools is her job. She has been employed by the owner of Sage to be Pools chairman and to set supposedly turn around a failing business. On what planet is this a voluntary role. Ken Hodcroft was employed by IOR to be Pools chairman after Berge Larsen disappeared from the scene his wage came directly out of the club.

Working at Pools is her job. She has been employed by the owner of Sage to be Pools chairman and to supposedly turn around a failing business. On what planet is this a voluntary role. Ken Hodcroft was employed by IOR to be Pools chairman after Berge Larsen disappeared from the scene his wage came directly out of the club. He didn’t put any of his own money in it was job no diffrerent to Pam he was just maybe slightly better at it on reflection.

Well she failed!!! So the fan's money was wasted on her!
And she was only here to get the loan money back!

Would you employ her?
I certainly would not!

On reflection no but that’s not what you were saying.

If you're right he must sincerely wish he'd stuck to a business he knows. He got into football by trusting JPNG with half a million quid and now it turns out the people he trusted to help him get that back are all incompetent. He won't be a rich bloke much longer if he doesn't start doing a bit better than that.

IMO Blakeledge is a fool.....!

I suspect it was Blackledge who has lost money and not Pam, by sounds of it he built up a few businesses throughout his life, got himself a nice nestegg to retire on and has lost a fair chunk of it here in no time.

No idea how he came to be involved here but no doubt he has kids/grandkids who he would like to leave money to rather than keep chucking £x into the club each month. Cant really blame him.

You’re coming off the long run up here Mr Stocksfield. He’s a wealthy man with a successful business I doubt he’s a fool. Plus without him our club would probably be out of business already.

Hindsight and I told you so is easy but what’s done I’d done it won’t help anyone going forward. Hindsight is wonderful, in hindsight I’d have gone back and got Gary Coxalls mother an abortion when she fell pregnant with him.

very true.

He might be great at some areas of business and not so good at others. For example, a great knowledge of property development wouldn't necessarily equip you to run a football club.

What is interesting lately is when the figure was 120k to run the club suddenly increased to 200k a month.
Thats a variation of 80k that tells you everything you need to know that the person in charge does not know what the actual fixed costs are or they are just making it up as they go along.
No wonder no one can see the books for what the actual fixed costs are and why we are getting such a vast variation IE 2 million of debt.

wealthy businessmen who were fools ??....candidate number 1...... george reynolds ??.... imo

The reports made it sound like the additional was a tax bill. Could be wrong though

And another 120k for Feb and again in Mar and Apr and so on!

Would it not be easier to let the club go into admin, then fold and any money that has been put aside by the trust, new potential owners used to start a new club?

If I ran a business, was in debt, owed the rent on the place and could not find a buyer to take on the debt.
Surely I would declare myself bankrupt and get on with it. I certainly would not ask for 200k to get me out of a hole for a month or so.
No one would give me any cash and why should they!

Let this lot walk away and we can start again?

She was working for Sage and has been working with John Blackledge for many years. It was not her money, it was his.

So if she was working for Sage, and she was being paid and she was therefore given a job to get the money back.
So why take money from Pools? Surely she was getting paid by Sage?

It would be good to see the books?

Do HUFC not have to publish them so everyone can see them?

Why would they show any one the books to any one other than share holders if there is any thats why we are in the shit we are in because they are only accountable to themselves.

Look at over the last 2 years the amount of money that has been mismanaged it gives you a fair indication you should not trust them with anymore and save it for the future what ever that may be.

Quite amusing that PJ, the climate must be helping

I hope the meeting goes well.
Can anyone from the Trust attend?

Nothing against anyone but I wish the media would stop saying "investors"
Who puts money into HUFC expecting to make a profit! Apart from Sage and look where that has got them!

The club needs to be run properly and within budget, we don't want any talk of people putting an investment in!
I don't want anyone putting money in to Pools expecting to get their money back, let alone a profit.

Make a fresh start, slate wiped clean, current owners leave with their loss between their legs.
Clubs starts off with no debt, get through the rest of the season and then budget accordingly to within our means for the next season.

And if the current owners won't agree to that, we can start a new HUFC and pay the rent to use the Vic.
Nothing stopping that from happening!

And don't let the current owners call any shots. They have none left to fire!

Is the just giving page set to close on the 25th?

Does anyone know if the money has to be handed over that very day or can you hold onto it a bit, like until a consortium has taken over, for example?

I'm sure the fat man touched on it with his post but with no guarantees what the debt is actually broken down into it's an awkward position, to hand a nice shiny cheque over n say oh pretty please pay the players n the club nodding n smiling like mr burns you don't actually know what they'll do with it.

Can you legally make them?

Too complicated this like.

The Fat Man basically said, nor, yer can't really make them. SO best to hold onto it until an investor or trust takes the reins

DIMI just been on radio said hes willing to donate to POOLS but needs to know were the money is goin before donating.
Cant fault him there like.

Yeah was talking to a few lawyers at our place today. You can’t gift someone money and legally enforce what they spend it on. He said it’s hard enough enforcing covenants etc and that involves a hell of a lot more paperwork etc than gifting a cheque over.

Spoke to a couple of fans today who are doing similar after hearing Jeff today.

And another fantastic statement tonight


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Top notch. Keep it up.

And another fantastic statement tonight


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I’m sorry, actually I’m not, but this statement from elsewhere is ducking disgusting !!!



IMPORTANT NOTICE

Today I have received a few emails and messages asking, do we pay this money to the trust etc, let's me make this clear THE TRUST are NOT involved in this fund raising and no money should be handed to them, I request that you pay all fund raising money in to Rachel's crowdfunding appeal.

Thank you for all your efforts
Mike Lewis
#savepoolsday

Not worth worrying about. Non-trust and trust members alike have joined in. The trust statement goes out of its way to say well done to the people who started the fundraising campaign and for all Pools fans to get behind savepoolsday. That’s good enough for me.
Got to be united.

its perhaps badly worded, but disgusting? no.

Compare and contrast with the Trust statement, offering support physically and in writing to the other fundraising but also talking about the bigger picture and Trust money going into the long term future of the club.

Amazing how low some people can stoop hey. I continue to be amazed by the bitterness and animosity of this consistent minority

Badly worded is generous at best.

It may just be that he has not thought through how he is presenting it enough. I hope that’s the case anyway as further sniping would not help anyone, particularly the club itself

well as being generous is the theme of the week, can you not stir things up this one time, pretty please??

So I started this ? Whoops. Sorry

I’m not sure why any fan would encourage people not to donate to the trust when they are trying to secure the future of the club.

But it’s up to him.

Let him get on with it.


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The Trusts statement is excellent to be fair. You can only appeal for a bit of common sense and unity so much, if personal agendas are still to the fore what can you do? I can see a couple of people who are absolutely desperate for this to be all about them. The irony is that most of mud slung at the Trust since it’s formatation has repeatedly featured the word ‘ego.’ After all of this I think I’m going to start making all of my posts ‘Statements’ or ‘important announcements.’ This crowdfunding appeal is great and has raised loads of positive publicity and awareness, I don’t think we should allow a couple of people to hijack this positivity with negativity, which this latest ridiculous post is.

Good post

Instead of arguments?

If there ever was a time for the petty disputes, which there wasn't, that time is well and truly gone now. The only enemy Pools SUPPORTERS need to unite against are incompetent and/or robbing owners.