They probably said that on the titanic when they'd just crashed into the iceberg too.

The statement doesnt say much, but if you read between the lines you can gather more from it.

They had an 18 month plan to get their money back, well its only been 6 months so whats changed?

How long do they have to get an investor?

What happens if they dont?

Whats the current debt levels that they mention?

Will they stick around till the end of the season if no one comes forward?

They mention off field issues effecting performances, i assume thats wages, so are players getting paid?

Is the squad up for sale?

Pam may not be as cuddly as once thought. She's hung around because She thought there was a chance she'd get her money back now its looking like she won't she wants to be out.

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On current levels of alleged expenditure they would have to put another half a million in to see the season out and they don't have an appetite for than.

Almost 1 year to the day

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... statement/

The same people said don’t worry. The same people said the bunker was full of shit. The same people said just back the club.

I’m not saying Pam is the same as Gary.

But I’m saying statements say one thing and mean another.


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Didn't get to the end of the first paragraph, couldn't stomach reading words written by that cock nosed thundercunt.

They may have naively based their plans on us getting promoted straight back up, easier to sell a league club than a non league club, a struggling non league club at that. It looks like they could have seen the future ain't turning out as expected, so started packing the cases.

Like a carbon copy of last season. Team doing okay till November, rumours the money has run out start to circulate, team start getting beat every week, then rumours go round that players might not be getting paid, then club makes a statement.
Expect January will be the same as well, teams with ambition sign players, we offload anyone we can get a fee for and sign one untried kid on peanuts wages. Attendances drop, no cup games, probably end up in a relegation battle.
Same people will say The Trust should take over, same people will slag them off without coming up with any ideas of their own.
On and on, season after season. Had to laugh this morning when Loughlin said on the radio a fans run club would never work. Does he think bouncing from owner to owner and manager to manager the last 10 years HAS worked like ? Its been shit for a decade, don't see how giving the fans a go could make things any worse. To be honest we might be better giving some of the fans a shirt and letting them play as well.

Sounds about right, basically they've spunked all the money from Season Tickets and League payments on Harrison , his backroom staff, and a shed load of National League North standard players in the first couple of months of the season. With 2500 crowds for rest of season , empty corporate boxes, no sponsorship interest , a club shop on rock bottom its going to make for an interesting couple of months.

I do believe they have been well intentioned in trying to get to the bottom of the mess Coxall left us in. Clearly a lot has come to light since he left about how bad the situation was. I think they gambled to a certain extent on getting promotion at the first time of asking. New manager with a winning mentality, which hasn't worked out, and a large squad with (on paper) some decent signings.
The last month or so has been horrendous, falling down the league, no revenue from cup games and lots of anger amongst fans.
They have ploughed money into the club, and got nowhere fast. Is it any wonder then that they are now looking for a way out. No point throwing good money after bad.
We can only hope that there is someone out there who has a genuine interest in helping to stabilise the club and then see it progress.
No timescale was given for a saviour to come forward. and that is probably no surprise. However Sage clearly do not want to put in any more money so it is unlikely they will wait for ever.
If it reaches that point who knows what might happen, it probably doesn't bear thinking about, but it still appears that some people aren't concerned. If they are not concerned about the future of HUFC now then in my opinion they never will be.

Those not currently not concerned are staggering and I mean staggering. I have read somewhere that some people think the trust should hand over their money to the club to buy a player and if they dont they have failed. That sort of comment is bonderline insane. The fans need to rally around the trust now and build up its cash base. I can see the trust running the club within 12 months. I suspect most trust members would be incredibly unhappy to see the cash handed over to owners under any circumstance. Its bewildering that people think these things.

I remember when Darlo where minutes from going out business and basically flogging a dead horse some curly haired bloke turning with a briefcase with £50,000 in it to keep the club on life support for a little while longer. The last thing the Trust should be doing is throwing good money at bad and I know the people involved wouldn’t even consider something so absurd. Chip has already said that a lot is going on behind the scenes and a full contingency plan is in place.

The focus really shouldn’t be on a few ridiculous comments from people with personal agendas, if they can’t put that aside now then they never will I think the time has come to forget about it and give them the attention they deserve; none whatsoever.

No serious businessman is going to touch the club the state it is in now unless he is a multi millionaire wanting a plaything.
Pam is an expert at rescuing failing businesses, she has been here 12 months and the finances are in such a bad state she cant even produce accounts. This talk of a buyer coming in quickly is absolute pie in the sky. IOR couldn't give it away for free when it was a League club.
As for The Trust people like Chip must be crackers. Putting all that time ,money and effort in to try and save a club for the benefit of a bunch of people that hate his guts and would love nothing better than to see him get a good kicking.
There are people openly saying they would rather let the club die then see The Trust take over. These same people supported the club when it was run by a crook who was robbing them but wouldn't support it if the Trust took over because some of the people behind it use a different message board to them ? The club is fucked. Wont see the season out.

9th favourite (8/1) with 188Bet to be relegated.

As far as i can see the club has virtually no assets. The players are worth next to nothing, there are some fixtures and fitting (including some broken chip fryers) but it the worth of all of this is minimal.
I am just waiting for the issue of the grounds ownership to raise its head again as that would be a way of attracting an investor with a development plan for a " Chelsea Village".
Holding a gun to the councils head and saying "sell us it for nowt or else we will sink the whole ship"

Agree entirely PJ. I watched and waited for a year before I joined The Trust. I could see there was hostility coming from both sides, but in the last 6 months it is now clear which side the hostility is coming from. These people think they are helping the club but they are actually making things worse. The Trust have bent over backwards to make the peace but I think its went far enough. Mr I is meeting with some of the FB group tomorrow, very honourable but I think he is wasting his time. If this proves to be the case then he should make it the last time, as The credibility of The Trust is at stake, let The Trust just crack on without them. If they love the club as they say they do, they will have to join eventually.

That’s pretty accurate all the way through.




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At the risk of being accused by the insane of being a rumourmonger again I ask you to consider two facts.

Sage told the players and staff yesterday that their wages are paid this month but no guarantees after that.
The club has been up for sale as a debt free going concern for several years and the best we could come up with was Coxberg.

Sage WILL NOT fund the club until the end of the season. They just won't.
Unless a white knight comes forward with a penchant for historically unsuccessful football clubs in a down at heel town the middle of nowhere, community ownership is the only way forward. It's all very well for the likes of Loughlin to say it won't work but the alternative has hardly covered itself in glory.

Unless a miracle happens, Hartlepool United FC could well have 6-8 weeks to live. I'd love to be proved wrong, I really would.

Exactly. Probably have to start again. I like a few beers before and after a game, last thing I want to do is be working behind the scenes to ensure the game goes ahead in whatever league, but I'm prepared to do it. My expectations are going down on an almost hourly basis. On one hand the best scenario I can envisage as a club run normally by some Harold Hornsey character is us being like a Southport or Workington yo yoing between National League North and National League type club or on the other hand starting afresh as a fans owned club in Northern League, where based on the poisonous atmosphere amongst our fans at the moment getting to National League North might be the pinnacle of achievement.

On another thread i believe it was pjpoolie said he'd seen the books from Accrington and they showed a turnover of more than 3 million, at the open trust meeting if I remembered correctly we were told that Exeter's turnover was 4 million, chip said the club had told the trust that the clubs costs were 120,000 a month well a 3 million turnover is 250,000 a month are we expected to believe Accrington turnover more than double what pools turnover I thought the parachute payment meant the club received nearly as much this season as last. Maybe it has something to do with it being half way through the season with little income to come in season ticket and league income spent, any player worth a few Bob sold none of the current sqaud worth selling so no point in hanging about

My worry is this, maybe no one worth selling or would command a fee, but there are players who if they left could leave us in a worse state on the field than we currently are in, it happened last season when players left. If likes of ( as bad as they are ) Laing, Donnelly, Adams left and are not replaced relegation could be a possibility. As bad as these players have performed for us this season, I'm sure individually they would interest a lot of clubs. The club will be looking to trim the wage bill regardless of whether they can command a transfer fee or not.

Sage were.

On the button John. Makes me laugh how people thought Pam was hanging around for the good of the club.. They where around because they became owners due to default (or basically because they wanted their money back and sticking around gave them a chance of getting it)

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Pam was left holding the puppy's lead when the owner said they'd be back in five minutes. The puppy has a big appetite and if a new owner doesn't come forward it's a one way journey to the vets.

That's it then, end of the road. Abandon ship, we're going down.

I'm feeling a bit devastated to be honest.

I understood that Sage were chiefly involved to get their cash back having been conned. Fair enough. But if they're now happy to pull the rug half way through the season because their promotion gamble hasn't paid off it effectively means that they're fine with killing the club. Not fair enough.

Presumably their cooling off on fan ownership was because they realised that the Trust could never pay them back in full whereas a fantasy millionaire might? And all the explanations for delays in revealing the books now sound like extreme bullshit.

A rich white knight or consortium coming to the rescue would be great but realistically we seem to be heading for financial doom with the only immediate way forward after that being a part time club playing at least a division lower than we are now. Maybe we should be grateful for that prospect as it is starting to look like a best case scenario.

If the worst happens, would we still have the ground?

What, for a kick about??

Spot on I could smell bullshit from the moment she talked to the supporters promising "this that and the other" if we backed her in season ticket sales. But I decided to say nowt because the trust said she is sound and trustworthy and I started to believe them. Some facts must have been shown to the trust for them to trust her Now it looks like another major con trick played on us vulnerable supporters by yet another outsider wanting to rip our club off for whatever reason. Pam only had one agenda and that was getting her money back simple as that... Would love to see the deals done to get rid of Cockall if any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like we have been well dicked over from Cockall / Pam and the monies and interest owed.

Sounds like Cocksall is still in charge

Now I'm not from Hartlepool, live 50 miles away but go to every home game and a few away games and have done since I was 9, 27 years ago!. I only know a couple of people well from the town, only go there on match days and generally have zero link with the town aside from my love of the football club. I've been on the bunker for years now, don't post an amazing amount but read a lot of what's said. The point I'm getting to is that just by reading this forum I can form an opinion on what some posters on here are like, most seem genuine guys with a love for our club and only want the best for it like myself. I signed myself and my dad up to the trust simply on the basis that I trust that the trust only want what's best for the club, if some people can't see that then I really don't understand there thinking. All this in fighting seems absolutely crazy to me when some people on here are only trying to look out for pools incase the worst happens. Picking fights with people who are there to watch their side and support them is just absolute madness and simply not on, we all have one thing in common and that's pools so now it's time for people to help make sure we still have a club if a buyer can't be found, not fight on and be divided. I for one couldn't bare to lose something I've loved for 27 years and invested so much time in and I know the trust would do it's upmost to make sure that didn't happen. If I'm missing some information on things someone please explain it to me but from the outside looking in I only see the trust as a good thing with the best intentions!

So now Sage want to sell the club, what happened to all the fine words from Pam telling us what we wanted to hear that the best future for the club was being fan owned. I find it very strange that the owners we have had IE I.O.R. Then Ken Hodcroft now Sage have all very generously bank rolled the club to the tune of millions of pounds never want the fans see the clubs accounts. I.O.R just left Mr Hodcroft to it when they wanted out, Mr Hodcroft was trying without success to offload the club for years. Why didn't he let it be known that he would be willing to give the club away debt free and give the supporters an opportunity to take the reigns, but no he gave it away to twice both times to conmen, I wonder why. Why are these owners so secretive about the clubs income. Why when we sell players are the fees always undisclosed, I don't buy the none sense they tell us about not letting other clubs know how much we received because then any players we buy will have their price increased, when was the last time we paid a fee for a player. I firmly believe that the trust could and should run our club, just look at the other fans owned clubs have any gone into administration i haven't heard of any. Look at A.F.C. Wimbledon they are now moving back to plough lane how much is that going to cost a great example of a club succeeding because the fans did not lie down and accept defeat when they were shafted not only by their owners but also by the F.A. Our fan base is as big as any of the other trust run clubs so why couldn't we succeed if given the chance. I do not believe anybody has put money into our club except us, why would people with no connection to the town, the club or even the north east put money into our club, what would they gain from doing so. Rich people do not give their money away that's why they are rich and they certainly wouldn't pour money into the bottomless pit that they claim Hartlepool United is. Maybe they don't want to allow the trust to take over because then the fans would be able to see how much money comes into the club and what it is spent on, maybe Mr Hodcroft gave the club to dodge pots because he could write a confidentiality clause into the agreement and thereby keeping all the details of the clubs business under wraps or maybe I am just a foolish cynic who doesn't appreciate how lucky I am that benevolent strangers want to subsidise my football club. Got to now I think the sqaudron of flying pigs are due over bishop cuthbert

8/1 to get relegated.
Do the bookies still pay out if a team gets relegated by way of admin or is it a void bet!

If you are docked points through going into admin, and that puts you into relegation places , don't see why they shouldn't pay out.

The bet would still stand

Totally agree with Phil don't want to give any more money to anybody unless it's going to go into the club and the only way we can be sure where our money is going is if it's a trust run club

I can't take any of this seriously while we are still employing a Head of Recruitment.

If we are in the shit financially then lay off him, Bates & Sweeney.

It's not going to resolve everything, but we can manage quite comfortably without those 3 for a start.

Smoke and Mirrors .. who is actually on the payroll .. Property Speculators have had their fingers burned this time. I fail to see how or why the new owners should help them out. They took a bet and lost its hard to see why anyone should bail them out.

tv money and extra revenue from all cup competitions even if you get knocked out in the first round is bound to push up any clubs turnover if they are in the football league. best thing that can happen to pools is that someone will pop up, clear all debts and run pools much better than in the past. did happen at accrington with a local business man involved who was just brought along one day by a fan without any thought of him investing.. wrote off a pools sized debt. opened a stall in the market, run by volunteers and made 36k in a year. although a non league club there is as much or not more potential at pools as accrington even gates and interest is double for a start.

Shame he wasn't taken to a game in 1962.

They probably declined when they found out a Ferris wheel and a fly past by the Red Arroows wasn't included in the plan.

Another fundraising group

Never say die facebook page
need to set up a committee anyone who interested please put your name forward.
We need someone with accounts background,law,admin etc,my belief is we could need to put a large amount of money together in a short space of time just in case the shit hits the fan .
This is not scaremongering this is fact we may be needed we may not ,I hope not but if in case we are we need to be organised in case a day arises which hope it doesn't.
So if you are interested in helping this action group to help save our club please let me know ,I for one after 50 years of supporting pools are not prepared to stand by and watch my club,your club die .

NEVER SAY DIE.

Another fucking group!?!?

I absolutely despair

There’s lottery ticket sellers at every gate, they’ve been wearing bright pink bibs!

And the same person once again making it

That man is absolute poison

3rd attempt derail the trust now




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Who is it Yubep?

Someone from the other forum. He’s had it in for the trust from day one due to his bunker hatred. It’s really really sad


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How do I get involved with this new group?

I was going to set up a Milhouse Masterplan Trust to ensure the town gets the hotel it needs.

It appears the hatred of a message board is greater than the love for a football club.

A problem we have is apart from one Lindridge none of the Councillors have any interest in any form of sport.
Ok we get the ground for a peppercorn rent but club over the years has brought a load of publicity and income into the town but they get little or no support from the Council.