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We are 14th on supposedly on one of the biggest budgets, god help us when that buget decreases. We are more than capable of being relegated whilst we are in the conference. Part time halifax one of the worst teams ive ever seen are a massive 5 points behind us. This team should be embarassed.

Personally I'll be shocked if we're not Conference North next season and there will be no way anyone can blame Harrison.

People need to get their heads round the fact that Coxall left the club in a very poor place financially and even though Sage have steadied the ship, I'm not sure how its going to improve without a huge injection of cash.

I also agree with the above, Pools need to consider part time players.

To be fair I can't see us been relegated or going up anytime soon I think we will do a Lincoln, Wrexham or Tranmere and linger down here for a fair few years the way we are going the squad we have is piss poor with a odd decent result here and there to lift our hopes which is not good enough, I have been a season ticket holder for the last 9 seasons and I have slowly watch this club sink and getting worse and worse every year on the pitch with the players we bring in they are simply not good enough end off, Buy heyy it won't stop me going every other Saturday plus the odd away game here and there. The clubs I mentioned are all big clubs for this league but it just goes to show you how you can get stuck down in this league for a age ( Which I think we will ) Until we finally bring in some players with passion, guts and actually want to do well at our football club rather than just steal a wage off it. The days us changelling for a league one playoff spot are well gone I don't think we will ever witness those days again anytime soon, You look back to the 03/04, 04/05 seasons playing brilliant football the vic was a fortress, Even though we got relegated the following year in the 05/06 season we bounced straight back up after Where you look were we are now playing a bunch of part timers who train 2 times a week plus some probably have other jobs aswell as playing football and still getting Arse raped Against piss poor teams is beyond me and that's supposedly with one of the biggest budgets in the league, RANT OVER.

Decided to support the lads after the win against Halifax. What a mistake!
For 20 minutes we passed the ball around and must have had 75% possession without threatening their goal. On the rare break out forays into the Pools half however, Ebbsfleet looked more direct and threatening. Their first goal was a real softie but it gave them the confidence to take the game to Pools. Unlike direct Ebbsfleet, Pools' counter attacks invariably resulted in the ball being played to the wings allowing defenders to get back and reorganise. How Rodney was allowed to continue after a 'mare of a first half, i'll never know but he managed the first clear shooting chance and was promptly substituted.
Pools were denied a clear penalty for a blatent shove but the clear goal scoring chances were painfully absent. The team manifested the season long weaknesses down the middle of both attack and defence. On current form forget about a return to the EFL. We are a piss poor team in a piss poor league!

I keep hearing this 'biggest budget in the league' claim. How the fuck does PD know? She knows Pools budget but I'm pretty sure she doesn't see all the others.

Only the other day the halifax manager said, we cannot compete with the likes of hartlepool on their budget. Well mr halifax manager even with your part time , injury depleted squad, from the conference north your still only 5 points behind us.

All Harrison had to do today was to set up his side to secure a point and maybe even snatch all three against a fellow mid-table outfit - simples. Yet again however ‘Statto’ failed miserably via a combination of his underestimating the opposition and overestimating his motley collection of non-League journeymen and FL rejects. Unfortunately even Harrison’s usual ‘get out of jail card’ Scott Loach let him down on this occasion.

Perhaps Harrison was as fooled by the midweek demolition of Hapless Hallfax as the red spex brigade, many of whom seemingly expected us just to turn up and collect the points today. Being publicly exposed as the pretenders that they undoubtably are for the second time in a week makes me wonder how many more such embarrassments that Harrison must endure before serious questions are asked regarding his fitness for purpose because at present we are going nowhere.

As far as I can see Harrisons inexperience and sheer naivety are preventing us from mounting a realistic and much-needed challenge for an immediate return to L2. We are not inconsistent’ we are simply not good enough to best anyone outside of the relegation contenders - end of. This squad is hardly a world-beating one but could and would surely do much better with someone who actually knows what he is doing at the helm.

Our players seem to lack fight, commitment and a will to win, there's no drive in them and any manager who can get below average players to believe in themselves can compensate for an lack of skill.
Team spirit is a joke and any team could lead a reign of terror against us with a balloon on a stick.

The whole club is a joke. Ebbsfleet are poor but they made us look even worse. Our owners haven't got a clue re football so they say. I don't think that is quite true if it were the case why haven't we got a Director of Football??

Any decent players from our relegated squad from last season departed, and with no obvious backer anymore.....we probably have a squad of players with an outside chance of the play-offs at best... After all, the standard of the Conference league is very similar to league 2 isn't it ?

League 2 is better. Morecambe are the poor relations of League 2 but still managed to beat us easily

On what I've seen so far, league 2 is way better.

Wrong manager, with a team lacking experienced players, and one natural born leader like a McPhail, Tinkler or a Watson, its as simple as that.

The way I see it is , if we don't go up this year, and what's the point anyway? we couldn't afford to compete in league 2 and come straight back down, especially if it was via the play offs, I can see us becoming a Barrow or Gateshead, stuck mid table in this league season after season, with the odd play off push or even relegation to the National League North, from where we would bounce back at the first attempt , to continue plodding along again.

Unless some money appears from somewhere , the future looks bleak.

The way I see it is , if we don't go up this year, and what's the point anyway? we couldn't afford to compete in league 2 and come straight back down, especially if it was via the play offs, I can see us becoming a Barrow or Gateshead, stuck mid table in this league season after season, with the odd play off push or even relegation to the National League North, from where we would bounce back at the first attempt , to continue plodding along again.

Unless some money appears from somewhere , and even then it has to be spent properly, and I'm don't trust that those running the club would,the future looks bleak.

Merrrrrryyyyyy Christmas!!!!!

Why don’t we just fold the club now? We’ll fold the club then all go and jump off the pier in a bag full of rocks.

If we did get promoted (it’s absolutely essential that we get back in the League as soon as possible) we’d able to compete we managed to for nearly a century before. Financially every club in the League should be able to compete these days due to the money dished out. It’s one of the things that attracts leaches like ‘TMH’ and ‘JNPG’. It’s because of missing out on this money and the financial mess left by the previous regime that problems ahead are potentially very realistic. You don’t need a benefactor you just need to be ran in a competent manner.

Yesterday was another horrible, awful result as bad as any in our history but to suggest it wouldn’t be worth getting promotion as we couldn’t compete is utter hogwash, about as far from the reality of the situation as you could possibly be. I want the manager to do well but calling a 3-0 defeat at Ebbsfleet an ‘average’ performance isn’t good enough, we have to be doing better than that.

[quote="phil"]I'm not going until we're relegated from League 2 again.[/quote

Your in for a very long wait then.

Concise and to the point I agree.

Financial performance of the club over the past few years seems to suggest quite large losses with no end in sight, makes me wonder what the end goal is? People are ready and willing to step in and secure the club over and above the trust, the question is under what circumstance is the future a bright one. 3500 fans paying an average of 12 pounds (when factoring in the season tickets) means 42,000 per game with maybe 25 games a season is approximately 1 million in revenue. With sponsorship and prize money maybe 1.5 million. Remove 250k for the running of the club (tightly) and were left with 1.2 million on player wages. Then remove 200k for youth players and prepare a squad to compete on 1 million annually. 20 players at an average weekly wage of 800 when you add in payroll taxes.

Have a look at the standard of players available currently at 800 weekly. The club as do many others at this level need to think again. Watching the U11 team playing kick ball on a full size field 11v11 tells me all i need to know about the level of planning throughout the club. I think there are some good things being done commercially by the current Director but the football and overall business side points at a loss. surely this must be the same for all clubs with similar revenue?

I don't even know where Ebbsfleet is ... and I'm too depressed to find out.

How would we be in the Conference North next season? I don’t really get that? We won’t get relegated by on the field results so if the suggestion is that we’re about to go pop financially we’ll be playing lower than that.

Further to my above post it seems the level of revenue should be able to compete in League 2
This is regarding a conference team and states 375 average weekly wage being unable to compete. As with everything it depends on how wisely you spend the resources available to you.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-avera ... on-players

The club is well over a million in debt and in the bottom half of the Conference. The current owner has made no secret of his desire to move the club on to someone else. Nobody other than conmen have expressed an interest in taking the club on. A sizeable minority of the supporters make no secret of the fact that they hate the Supporters Trust and would never back a fans owned club. There will be no lucrative cup run, we have no players anyone in their right mind would want to buy, and a promotion push looks unlikely.

We have a large and largely useless squad of players, many of whom will be on 2 year contracts, and a manager looking increasingly out of his depth backed by a group of coaches with no track record in the game.

Yet we still get gates higher than several EFL clubs.

Why would some fans not get behind a fan owned club? I would have thought that was the most desirable option?

Some fans still hold onto the hope a geezer is out there waiting to come in, buy the club and will clear the debts and pump the money in to win the premier league.

I've left that fb group, its rank on there, thats where most of them live.

I lasted a week on it, it is horrific.

[quote="Chip Fireball"]The bookies have written us off all season, we are currently 25/1 to be promoted despite only being back to back wins away from a play off spot.

In theory, with 29 full time professionals and a small army of coaches, we should be able to string a few consecutive wins together in a league this bad. In reality I don't think many of us can see it happening.

Pam has been very frank about the financial situation at the club, she has also said publically that finishing in a play off spot is the absolute minimum requirement.

Yet again we find ourselves with a home game on the horizon which is looking like one it is absolutely vital that we win, especially with a trip to Dover the following week, and the FA Trophy the week after. No manager will be wanting to lead a team into the crucial Christmas/New Year bank of fixtures sat in the bottom half of the league playing catch up.

I don't think we will get relegated this season, we clearly are not that bad, a bigger worry would be the season petering out with the team sat 15th or 16th in the league playing games in front of 2000 people. If that happened, then unless we had new owners willing to invest, it will be a real struggle selling season tickets next Summer.[/quote

Can't see the half season tickets being that popular

This is why it is imperative we treat the FA Trophy with respect , winning that could rescue the season, otherwise trying to get the supporters to buy into next season will be very difficult indeed, how many false dawns can a fanbase take?.

I think you are over egging the FA trophy a little it’s like the Football League trophy used to be in a sense that it would only get interesting if you got to the latter stages. The vast majority of games in the early rounds are played out in front of two men and a dog and most of the teams in the Conference make changes. I think Lincoln made ten or eleven for the semi final second leg last season.

It’s imperative that we finish in at least the top seven, a run in the FA trophy would be nice but it will have no impact on the clubs financial position, only promotion would do that so anything less than top seven is a disaster no matter what happens in the FA Trophy. A cup run in sometimes a good way to get League form back on track though winning games won’t do us any harm.

PJ , has someone hacked into your account? or is it the Dubai sun on your head. You used to talk so much sense.

If we finished 8th and won the FA Trophy it would be a poor season, potentially damaging for the clubs future.

That’s just the reality of the situation we find ourselves in. The owners outlined the importance of a return to the Football League.

I am not saying I don’t want us to win or take it seriously.

The sun in Dubai must be strong if it’s on my head.....

If we don't win the FA Trophy I'm not going.

Au contraire horden, I believe that PJ is talking some sense - the Tin Pot FA Trophy is nothing more than an unnecessary and unwanted distraction from the task in hand which for a club of Pools size, stature and fanbase (this season at least) must be to at the very least secure a play-off place.

The trouble is that Im far from convinced that Statto Harrison, his ‘job for the boy’ sidekick or his overblown squad members are man enough for the job although I still retain faith in Aunty Pam to take some kind of action early in the New Year if we don’t look like making the cut at that stage.