With all this mud slinging going on at the moment, I wanted to place on record my gratitude to the people who worked hard to set up the trust and the people on the board that keep it going its a thankless task; but you deserve a thanks for doing it.

A small band of people who are against it wont stop an 800 strong force for good.

Sadly it might. When people are being physically and verbally abused by their own kind who would blame the them for walking away?

That said, I agree with your sentiments

Fully agree with the sentiments expressed as well Unruly

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Most people seem to know what the issues are, and why there is this bitter rivalry. Isn't it time that the main protagonists (that's a long word!) got together to sort this mess out once and for all. Perhaps the club could mediate? Would this ever be possible or am I just dreaming?
That said I agree with the sentiments made about people giving up their own time who don't deserve to be on the end of all this crap!

Some of us have tried reasoning Geoff, you must have seen it over the months. There are a handful on that facebook group who enjoy causing grief. The rest just either don't understand or are following the crowd.

Speaking personally there are probably only four people who I wouldn't waste my breath on.

In essence.

I didn't see this incident, but a bit of chew by 10 people isn't worth getting worked up about.

There'll always be detractors that's their choice.

Up the Trust. God save McQue etc etc

Don’t do the Falklands stuff. That’s dull. However people who are standing on the board deserve full respect!

People keep saying it’s down to one man leading the masses. Name him. !!

Its not going to help at this stage and in this forum, there are better ways to skin this particular cat.

I agree with you on the Falklands, its unimportant to the vast majority.

I just wish I'd been Russian.....

I'd imagine the younger lads singing these ridiculous songs don't even know what a Trust is or does, neither do I suspect the ones who are egging them on. Hence the Darlo association, who aren't a Trust run club. I doubt they are aware of the damage they are causing either which if they claim to love the club is why they need to have a long hard look at themselves or they will soon find out how it feels to be small when they don't have a club to sing daft songs about.

Whilst it is all completely ridiculous, you knew what you were up against right from the start. Mr I, Chip & Monkeybutt are all extremely divisive people (on here at least) and whilst they remain in senior positions in the Trust there will be an element of negativity towards it.

That element is now growing, fast.

How many actually know these three? I don't think it's growing that fast either, it's a loud, not very bright, minority. As many know I reckon monkeybutt is the worst poster in the history of the bunker, his craic is so bad it's untrue but I'm not in position to make judgements on him as a bloke in real life or question the voluntary work he's doing for the trust, I applaud that. Most peoples online persona is an exaggerated version of themselves or in some cases it doesn't reflect them at all. Why can't people see that and separate that?

Whatever you think of them they are the people who have got off their arses and made the Trust a reality. From now its a fully democratic process. Also I don't think Chip or Mr I actually hold a position on the committee do they? Yes other fans groups exist and they all have a place. Even the friends group which was clearly set up for probably the wrong reasons initially but now has found a way to help and is doing good.

Supporters Trusts are fully regulated bodies with proven success and expertise in helping clubs who need help. Pools are in a very uncertain position off the field and have had a very turbulent year a one in which we have lost our Football League status and nearly been plunged into administration. We now have owners that have steadied the ship for now and at least have some financial acumen but who have stated from the beginning that they aren't here for the long haul. So it doesn't matter who set our trust up what is important is that we have one. It is now vitally important that the supporters join the trust, as I say the Supporters Association, The Friends, The Disabled Supporters Association all absolutely have places but everyone needs to come together and become members of The Trust, as in the future maybe the very near future we might be needed. For those who haven't spending a bit of time on the Supporters Direct website might help;

https://supporters-direct.org/

Other Pools supporters groups couldn't realistically provide some financial backing to the club, Trusts do, over 50 clubs are already Trust run several of those being Football League Clubs. This isn't about any individuals it's about our Football Club. Everyone needs to put egos and the past to one side and come together on this because this current situation is beyond pathetic. Have we really got kids chanting anti trust songs aggressively because of some (really funny over the years may I add, as they were intended to be) threads taking the piss out of the Fancy Dress day? Seriously? It's beyond parody. Get over yourselves, open your eyes so you can have a club to dress as a Penguin as and have a good day out for in the future.

That should be posted on the FB thread where the trust and it’s comittee are getting grief.

Very well put n all true in every sense

But it doesn’t get you a lol off your mates at away ground like signing anti trust songs does so they won’t read owt positive about it.


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The issue is we don`t have senior positions on the board, I just send out membership stuff( tea boy) and the other 2 are co-opted and hold no position( lacky ).

There will always be agitators, a lot depends on how you deal with things as a person, I personally don`t give a fudge what people say or think, others take things to heart, the element will never get 800 members because most of the fans want what is best for the club, not what is best for them.

PJ at this point it doesn't matter how many know them, or the hard work they've put in, they've been vilified. The young and the impressionable now look at this board as a place to hate and everything associated with it....

They aren't that young, and some who have the same the thoughts are young at all. I'd like to think when I was in my late teens I had developed a brain and wasn't just a thick sheep.

It's absolutely idiotic, for one this isn't a 'place' it's just an Internet forum connected to Pools which has loads of people who post on it who are completely different and have varying opinions and views.

I think they need to have a think about what they are actually chanting about and grow the fuck up. It's not some big laugh if they think it is they don't actually care about the club.

I probably take more interest in this place to see what bishops dad has had for tea than anything pools related.

Why do people take an internet forum so seriously?

Say this out loud and see how daft it sounds

SOMETHING SOMEONE SAID ON AN INTERNET FORUM HAS ANNOYED ME!

I just like this place for the takeaway thread and for pretending I have a dog

How is young cabbage?

So, let's say such action was taken and Mr I, Chip and Monkeybutt were removed from these senior positions (which Monkeybutt says isn't the case anyway). Would that honestly help? Wouldn't these people simply find another reason to continue the hatred? It would appear that there's an element of zealotry to this behaviour, from the main protagonists anyway, which more or less scuppers reasonable debate. Chip has already said that forums have been held with the aim of trying to improve relationships but ultimately they won't have the desired effect because the opposing faction, when all is said and done, don't want resolution.

Easy for me to say as I never read the Facebook page but can't we just ignore them?

It's surely the attention they crave by going against the grain, trying to disrupt something because they don't have the nous to do it themselves. Don't rise to them, simple minds get bored very easily when they're not getting the reaction they long for.

The open forum was attended by Kev McAlone - AKA Mouldy old dough / Shamrock. It was cordial and sensible and we agreed that we need to find a way forward without the infighting. Since then there has hardly been a negative peep in either direction.
The HUFC1908 board stayed out of that spat last night and credit to them for doing. We also stayed off the facebook page as we've all tried to reason with people on there but to no avail.

There are certain people throwing a hell of a lot of mud and it appears some of it is starting to stick.

Its very easy for people to find excuses NOT to part with their money.

Its very difficult to get people to commit to putting money into the Trust each year when things are as tight as they are. The fact over 800 have commited speaks volumes. Its a much higher pecentage of our fan base than a lot of other teams and should be applauded.

I understand their opinion that "people wont join because of certain people". I get that. I wouldnt have joined if certain people held a role to be honest.

However I suspect there is a hell of a lot more people who HAVE joined because of who is on the board than those that wont.

He is doing ok, bit of a cold at present and doesnt seem to be getting on well with Herman (our cat) at the moment either.

You are, of course, completely right.

YOU DON'T EVEN...

Oh I give up.

The only country where there is 100% support for the great leader is North Korea. Most governments get elected on less than a 50% majority and many only have 30 odd percent support at the ballot box.

The Trust has got the support of the majority and just needs to get on with its business and not worry about a few discontents and the jealous. If the Trust is not seen to be doing any good or is time expired its support will wain and membership will dwindle. The support it has received is testament to the nervousness that many have about the way the club has been run over recent years. The silent majority have faith in the Trust and admire the effort that some people have put into its formation and development. We are behind the Trust, so just ignore the whingers.

I stopped taking them seriously as soon as I saw the word Facebook.


Actually, that's false. I never waited anywhere near that long.

Look what you've made me do, go and read that abysmal Facebook page were stuff like the following is being typed by actual adult fingers:

"if the trust was run by the supporters association i think it would of being a success with fans .fans will always class the trust as the bunker trust because of the bunker hatred towards non members and the fact the owner of the bunker owns the trust too so can never step down"

At the least they've childishly locked the other message board which they always rather bizarrely do to stop me reading similar nuggets on there

A few are obviously lost causes but this can't be allowed to effect people with a brain cell.

"Arguing with idiots is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon -- it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."

Ha ha, what?!

Have any of them written IDST at the end of these sentences?

But they've got a big flag and go to local Saturday away games and dress up because someone told them to so they must be right.

Big thank you to all at the trust, particularly the hardworking board and volunteers. A fantastic initiative and one I am proud to be associated with.

If the dipsticks singing anti-trust chants are the same people racially abusing one of our own players there is a way to deal with them, but the club will have to get involved.

Collect some video evidence (the club that is, not individual fans) and ban them for life.

Singing songs against the trust is neither here nor there - though criminal assault against a board member is - but racial abuse is serious and could lead to sanctions against the club. The fact that it is directed against one of our own players is beyond belief. This is 2017, not 1987.

Its a tiny minority against the trust. I guess the more publicity they get by talking about them the more it sort of grows in a weird way. Im not a member of the trust yet, for one reason or another but im more than thankful that we have people wanting to safeguard the clubs future

There are some brilliant posts on this thread that put things a little in perspective after yesterday’s news about the carry on at Shields and the horrific posts on Facebook for example.

The key point is that the 850 not only make up a sizeable amount of Pools adult support but that these clowns who apparently want to “fuck the Trust” are basically going against. Most of the people who have joined up are normal people who care about the long term future of the club as part of the community.

As much as it must be demoralizing to be on the Trust Board and be in the face of this 20-30 people spilling bile and invective (or shit stirring in the background to get others to do their dirty work for them), I urge you all to carry on and remember you have the support of the silent majority all 850 of us!!!

I don't think the tiny core of people who attack the Trust do it because Mr I was once rude to them or because they don't like Chip's hair.

Supporters' Trusts around the country have long championed the idea that football supporters from all clubs have lots in common, that those clubs belong to the communities they are rooted in, and that everybody (including women, kids, black people, the disabled etc) should be welcome at violence free grounds.

These ideas are anathema to the tiny element of our support that hanker after being old-fashioned hooligans. They can't say they oppose the Trust because they'd like to see a return to football being full of hate, bigotry and crowd violence so they abuse individuals instead. Sad if they attract a few of the young and impressionable to join in with chants but some people will sing anything when they're pissed and trying to look hard.

This sort of thing shouldn't discourage the decent people who are doing such good work to secure some fan representation at the club we all love.

Never argue with an idiot. They are incapable of arguing at your level and have a lifetime's experience arguing at theirs.

whoops, they have me saying it now

thats how they're peddling it though, that you and Mr I are the big bad wolves and you're the puppeteers in the background pulling the strings.

You and i (plus the rest of the 800 and odd members) both know that isn't the case though.

Too many people believing any little thing they are told and are taking it as gospel.

I am not bound by legal reasons. Should I tell them?

OK. I wont then.