Analysis of care home data across England shows that 87% of councils won’t have enough places to meet potential demand by the end of this parliament.

The shortfall is predicted to be particularly bad in 14 local authority areas, half of which are London boroughs, according to campaign group Which?. Its research suggests these areas could face a 25%+ shortfall in the number of care home places needed.

Which? found that Bracknell Forest, in Berkshire, is set to see the biggest shortfall with 53% more care places needed by 2022 than are currently available. Lewisham (48%), Haringey (38%), Hartlepool (35%) and Milton Keynes (33%) are also predicted to fall short in providing enough places in five years’ time.

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I can’t weigh it up, the Council have closed a few places. Planning permission was granted for a Private Care home next too Sainsbury’s at Bishop Cuthbert but it looks like it’s not going ahead as the notice on the site has been removed.
If it’s mean tested who pays for the elderly Care if they qualify for it, Council or Government?

It is truly a disgrace, care homes don't get paid enough to provide the care properly, regardless of who pays.

They either close voluntarily due to lack of funding, or are closed down through providing a substandard service, not helped by a lack of funding. Either way the result is the same, lack of good care.

Tell your elders to commit murder. Much better level of care provided once sentenced.

My dad spent the last three years of his life at Sheraton Court,l Warren road they were absolutely fantastic. It was not cheap and if I had told him how much the costs were he would have probably signed himself out.

This may have changed since he died but I cannot speak highly enough of the care he received.

It is ok if you have the funding but the people without their own homes or savings it is a different matter.

Doesn't everyone deserve to have a decent level of care? Regardless of whether they own a home or not?

The way elderly people are treated in this country is disgraceful.

Nobody deserves to be mistreated but in life you get what you pay for, people who buy their own homes and then have to sell them if they want to go in a retirement home pay upwards of 600 a week, the company I used to work for claimed £157 off the council per week because they had no house or savings and they get placed where there is room, you pay and you choose.
My old girl pays 700 a month in a 30 bed private residence, she can afford that for 10 years because of planning etc, some people expect the country to look after them from birth to death!

What about people who have paid into the system all their working lives?

Surely they have paid into a pension if they have worked all their lives?

Well life is about choices, taking the advice when you are younger to put money away for your later years or don`t, if you didn`t then that was your choice and you live with it, so many people expect the same level of benefits as the people who have worked all their lives and provided for themselves when they retire.

How do you save up for a care home monkeybutt?..as in save a 150k and let the government reduce it to 23k?

I have worked since I was 16 never saved but made sure I took a pension out when I was old enough on my fathets advice, I worked my way up from a minimum wage job and it took me 13 years, I then worked 60 hours a week to stay in that job and knew when I retired I would be comfortable.
Choices Phil, my choice to work hard and get somewhere, didn't excel at school, no college, graft, the people who expect the same from putting in fuck all deserve just that, but will bitch. about it and whether you think that is fair or not, frankly I don't give a fig, you get out what you put in and if you enjoy life surviving then good on them, I wasnt and I have had periods of unemployment when made redundant in later years, it is shit and I struggled to survive but. I sent out 20 job apps a week to get another.
So forgive me for sitting on my arse enjoying the fruits of my labour, i was given nowt and didnt expect it, not quite the same these days though eh!

Spot on

I advise people everyday with care planning, helping them leave as much behind as possible. Everybody looks at it differently, some people are actually relatively happy to use their assets to fund care in later life, some are absolutely disgusted at the thought. I have known people spend 12 years in care and lose so much. Guess it is just the luck of the draw who ends up in care

Please stop quoting him. Him and his sort of smart arsed I am alright jack, all seem to crave a return to victorian Britain.

It's an appalling attitude that is prevalent in a lot of people that have money.

I have an example of this happening to is right now.

Am elderly relative from the new forest who refused our offer of moving up here with us 6 months ago and lives in complete isolation in a rented cottage in the foreSt was told two weeks ago she had terminal cancer and had weeks to live.

My wife and I have been down there two weekends on the trot now and the end is imminent.

She is in a hospital but should have been in a home months ago.

The only person caring for her is the rich landowner which her cottage belongs.

Her mother and brother were servants of this landowner and worked for her all of their lives.

Anyway my wife got a call from this landowner yesterday to say that my wife's relative had paid her rent for October and that meant we had three weeks to clear the cottage as she would be charged amother month if we didn't.

She will be dead by then.

This landowner is one of 4 families that own all of the land in the new forest.

My wife's aunt has nothing. Yet according to some should have had a pension to pay for care now.

Try telling this to the elderly folk still working the land of the new forest who live in he rented cottages owned by these rich fuckers.

It's all they ever knew.

Like I said victorian Britain.

In the history of the Internet has anyone ever come across as a worse person than this bloke?

Unfortunately not everyone's life is and as black and white as Mr I'm alright Jack because I 'planned' in it's very nature life throws various things at people that knock it off course. Debilitating injury, serious illness, bereavement sometimes just outright bad luck. Yes we now have a culture of people of who play the benefits system in our country but generally speaking they aren't the generation in Care Homes.

I personally think the cost of these places is utterly appalling, and it's shameful how as a country we're failing to look after our older generation which in my eyes in absolutely shameful. In other countries it's all about respect to the elderly in the UK they are reduced to level of children again and treat like dirt. The whole system needs looking at, it's simply not fair that someone can work hard and pay taxes for all of their adult life and become homeowners to see that money dwindle away within a few years in a miserable care home where death seems more appealing. They are far more deserving of help than loads of other examples I can think of who coin it in from the system.

Agree with pj 100%.

Our society is sick.

If all of those with racist tenancies stopped whinging about immigration and spent more time moaning about what's really wrong we might get somewhere.

There is a lot more wrong in this counyry than immigration.

I don't get this missable care home bit, I did research and chose, I tried to have my dad stay in his own home as long as possible with support but it didn't work and as I am 120 mile round trip away. He went in for three months as a respite and went from "I am not ready for this place son" to telling me all about the friends he was making when I came up at weekends.
Yes his money dwindled but it was his money not mine and therein lies the issue as relatives waiting for the inheritance would regularly moan out loud about the costs not appreciating the care.
I make no apologies for my dad leaving school at 15 working all his life and being able to afford to pay.

Strange how the outraged types are the same people irrespective of topic, have you not moved abroad to improve your standard of life angry little man or do you just like starting arguments?

I do not apologise either for planning my retirement and yes I had 2 long periods of 18 months each with no work, which was not planned but I adapted and overcame.

Choices, everybody except a small % has a choice, I also choose to have an opinion.

Why is your reply always that people are really angry and outraged at your so called 'opinion?' Three people so far have responded the same to your post yet I'm the one you're name calling... again.

I'm neither angry, little or outraged. I do believe you portray yourself really poorly and negatively on here though, you can't be remotely like that in real life or nobody would give you the time of day. The attitude you portray in this thread is appalling and makes you sound like an arsehole. I don't care which embarrassing and puerile insults I get back in response, crack on.

Our reasons for moving abroad were purely financial to benefit our kids in the future, which is great for us but I also realise that not everybody has that 'choice' or is as fortunate. My family and friends still live the UK, some elderly so I obviously have good reason to care. Good for you and your planning not everybody is in that position, it is possible to have empathy for those worse off.

I think the whole system needs looking at. One of my best friends works for the CQC and probably has been responsible for shutting down some of these homes in the Town (for good reason) Even for those who can afford it things need to be better.

PJ we will fall out if you dont stop quoting him.

My apologies it's all done out of furious anger and utter outrage at his highly controversial opinions and looking for an argument.

*nuts keyboard*

We live in a highly specialised and decentralised market economy subject to the influences of globalisation and the needs to global capital. Anyone who thinks our destinies are purely down to our own choices has their head in the sand, is very lucky, or both. Neoliberalism works to give us the illusion of choice, while in reality limiting our choices more and more.

I paid into a pension, as soon as I could; it's constantly being downgraded as the employers won't increase their contribution; is that may fault as I made a bad choice? The union has tried to fight it, but is largely toothless due to trade union reforms. Is that my fault as I made a bad choice?

What if you make all the right choices, have a nest egg, but something happens to smash your world? Mental illness, long term illness of a family member, bankruptcy due to the actions of a fraudulent employee, relationship breakdown, particularly if it's caused by an abusive partner? Most of us are closer to catastrophe than we'd like to imagine, but it could happen. Is that the fault of the individual? Have they simply made bad choices?

The world of work has changed so much since most of us on here joined the labour market. Most jobs available to young people now are either minimum wage or zero hours contracts where 'workers' never know how many hours they'll get from week to week; how are they supposed to save for the future in those conditions? Is that their fault, for not choosing the right job? Casualisation is endemic; whole swathes of the economy are based on insecure employment, and it's growing. Even basic jobs like retail or taxi driving are changing. Amazon, Uber, and the like are having a massive impact on the high street, the type of employment available and job security. Is that the fault of the employee?

Most of those questions are rhetorical, obviously. There are so many structural impediments to restrict our choices; to blame every individual for their circumstances (or to praise those who are successful) ignores the importance of context. If you're comfortable, thank your lucky stars; in the global economy, you're the lucky one. To claim it's all your own work is, quite frankly, insulting to the majority of the world's population who have little choice but to suck up the shit deal the world offers them.

Live the life you choose or you let life choose for you.

I've always thought that a pithy aphorism is no substitute for thinking something through properly. It always hides more than it reveals.

I can honestly say that I didn`t know what an aphorism was, I googled it, every day a school day.

Well said mr man.

We have just the call re my previous post. We need to get to southampton with immediate effect

I have no holidays left. Bad planning I suppose.

It's 2 weeks to pay day. My fault again.

And I suppose my relatives sudden death is also down to me.

If only I had planned things better 30 years ago

And little did I realise that I would be paying 500 pounds a month for student accommodation in 2017 18.

How I didn't see this coming in 1984 is beyond me.

It's a relief to know that whatever you have written I don't have to read it.

Unless pj quotes you .

You have the charm and finesse of an unflushed toiet

As I can't read what you have written I am going to make an assumption.

I applaud you for admitting you come across as an utter arsehole and it's great that you are closing down your account.

I might even unblock you.