Absolutely awful, and already a shockingly high death toll which will surely only rise.

Will they ever do anything about gun control?

I noticed how they soon got the 'lone wolf' reference in as soon as they discovered he was white.

Nick Lough there, thankfully safe. Awful stuff.

The more guns argument is more bonkers than Chinese Kev. He was on the 32nd floor of a hotel shooting crowds below, what are these NRA fruitloops suggesting that people start taking a sniper rifle with them on a night out? For a so called civilised country and so called leaders of the free World it's totally and utterly fucked up. The president would rather get offended by sportsmen kneeling at a flag though.

There is loads to like about America, but I wouldn't live there right now for all the fucking tea in Harrogate

Has Trump spoken yet about this, or is he still trying to hang black people for not respecting the flag?

An utterly fucked up country, who's moral compass is now completely broken.

All well and good them criticizing North Korea and the like when there's so many nutters they don't deal with at home. Before anyone says it's just the odd few it's not, it's every single fucktard that believes they need to hold firearms.

There are thousands of complete nutjobs in the USA.

A lot of them are the religious leaders as well.

Barking fucking mad.

With a president on twitter gojg to war with American Football.

But there again, there are quite a few people in the UK lauding Trump, i their own fucked up way.

I was g tying a flight home from Paris a couple of years ago just after the attacks here and happens to be in front of a few respectable middle aged Americans in the queue for security.

They were chatting away about going home for Christmas and the grandchildren etc before getting onto the subject of the attacks. They all seriousness started going on about how Europe was too soft and the terrorists wouldn’t have gotten away with it in the US because a loads of Americans would have got out there weapons and shot them dead. They were so sure on the point of having guns to defend yourself I was pretty shocked and held back from butting in and suggesting their scenario would have been even more of a bloodbath

Cranks to a man.

I saw a bit of Trumps twitter on the news earlier. My guess is someone wrote it for him as it was dignified and respectful. As for the gunman found dead in his room with 7(?) rifles?????

As for their gun laws watch "Bowling for Colombine" (I think thats its name) by Michael Moore.

It's fucking crazy that anyone can buy high powered automatic guns. Just saw footage on BBC website of concert, you can hear about a hundred shots before anyone even realises what's happening but will they change the gun laws.

Number of Americans killed on battlefields in all wars in history:

1,396,733

Killed by firearms in the US since 1968:

1,516,863

(NYT)

All your views sum up precisely what I was getting at in an earlier post when I said that I was heartedly pissed off with them continually trotting out their "greatest nation on earth" shite. Over here, the awful cases of Dunblane and Hungerford spring to mind but in both instances, the atrocities were carried out by individuals who had access to weapons. Spot the common factor.

England is a cup of tea.
France, a wheel of ripened brie.
Greece, a short, squat olive tree.
America is a gun.

Brazil is football on the sand.
Argentina, Maradona's hand.
Germany, an oompah band.
America is a gun.

Holland is a wooden shoe.
Hungary, a goulash stew.
Australia, a kangaroo.
America is a gun.

Japan is a thermal spring.
Scotland is a highland fling.
Oh, better to be anything
than America as a gun.

Not my words by the way; I'm not that clever.

Obviously theirs no humour to be taken from this horrific incident but I laughed out of loud when I heard one news agency say (very briefly) that IS claimed that one of its soldiers had carried out the attack and that he'd recently converted to Islam.

I'm sure all of those hurricanes and that Earthquake recently did as well.

What is interesting though to me is the way it was immediately dismissed and given no credibility whatsoever even not even reported by most. Because he was a White American. The reality is IS had the same amount of involvement in this as all of the recent atrocities in Europe and the UK. But because of who the attacks were carried out by the IS link is widely reported creating greater hysteria and panic. Surely them taking 'credit' for this Vegas shows the credibility of all these calamine by them deserve and the fact they should get no coverage whatsoever.

I know a good number of people from the US; they all think that the lack of gun control is mad. It's a seriously divided country.

Democracy: one man one vote.
The trouble is, if you have more idiots than sensible people, you're fucked.

I work with a couple of Americans and they're liberal enough to make Mr I projectile vomit like the lass from The Exorcist. Both from coastal cities.

Son went to school with an American lad and I met his Mom and Dad - howling mad religious fundamentalists who couldn't handle not having multiple guns in the house. From somewhere about 100 miles outside of Wichita.

The term 'Lone Wolf' has been used in relation to Islamic terrorism to differentiate between those perpatrating their acts as part of a network or alone.

There IS a difference between one mentally ill bloke taking advantage of loose gun laws to wreak some twisted form of revenge and a well organised terrorist attack supported by a multi national network.


Some folk are just looking for a race slant here. There is none. Nutters are nutters.

Of course. But I think his skin colour had nothing to do with the way in which he has been described as a lone wolf.

I believe that if the same gun laws existed in this country, there'd be thousands if not millions doing exactly the same thing.

The gun lobby in America should be shot.

Oh the irony of that happening.

All over the TV the last two days defending the rights of gun owners.

Even the tories have better morals.

The media are normally quite good at reporting these things pretty much factually when news first emerges. Usually the motive emerges within the first 24 hours (this being the reason why the Vegas perpetrator is so unusual) and you'll normally hear the Police themselves confirm a link to Islamic terrorism. That's why the newspaper headlines can quite legitimately mention it very soon afterwards.

This is how things went for the Manchester attack and I do recall a Police spokesperson stating that they were trying to establish whether the attacker was a LONE WOLF or working as part of a network, a phrase they also used for attacks in London.

I really am struggling to think of a mass murder, committed by a muslim in this country that wasn't linked to their interpretation of Islam, nor one perpetrated by a non-muslim that was. That's not to say there are not any of these instances but as it stands I dont really understand the relevance of the question.

I really don't think there is an anti-Islamic slant here but if there was, its good to hear that there are good people who would, like me, be justly outraged by it.

What is clear is that US gun laws are utterly outrageous (especially in Nevada) and what speaks volumes to me is that the only people that seem willing to argue against tightening gun laws come across as barking mad. Obviously they can't find anyone in their right mind who thinks that way.

Spare a moment for the three young British soldiers who saved a lot of wounded people and took a horrendous amount of incoming fire in the process. Fortunately they were uninjured but they saved many lives.

Our armed forces doing us proud yet again.

Going to be controversial here.

How do our armed forces do us proud?

OK I accept in the siyaution Mr I quoted above, they have every reason to be proud.

Fighting the world wars makes me proud of them.

Fighting Tont Blairs, and Maggie Thatchers phoney wars doesnt.

Killing millions of innocent people isnt something to be proud of.

They are incredibly brave people, yet what sort of person joins the army to be told to kill innocent folk and just does it? Do you sign up to the army and lose any sense of opinion on whats right or wrong? And doing what a member of parliament tells you to do?

They would have made me more proud if their leaders told Tony Blair to fuck off, and insisted there were no WMD's and all the british troops that died, wouldnt have, for what turned out to be fuck all.

You know when that war started with the bombings, did you sit there and celebrate when the bombs hit their targets, and were you proud of our pilots?

Sorry like, pointless wars and those doing as their told doesnt make me proud.

Questioning the point of it all would have made me proud of them.

But I respect their bravery.

I know. I should be locked up.

What were Maggie's phoney wars?

Who killed millions of innocent people???!!!

Millions!!!?

The battle of Orgreave