I think people are finding any opportunity to have a go at the trust, a select few think it's ran by the bunker and it's some kind of "ego trip" by certain people. It couldn't be further from the truth, it's 1 member 1 vote.. it's as simple as that. The trust can't make a decision without the back up from it's members. Literally anyone can be a member, the trust isn't a voice for all fans but a voice for the 800 who have joined.. again it's literally simple as that. People are still wanting some random investor to come in and make everything rosy, we've had our fingers burnt massively with Coxall, yet some fans want to see it again.

Its the same principle as ordinary peoples views on ordinary people running the country. Ordinary people think ordinary people are not capable of doing such things as law, economics, accounting etc, only the rich can do that, we know our place. I think a bit of jealousy comes into as well, we hate people from our own backgrounds doing well for themselves.

Personally I see a Supporters Trust as a body that will save a club rather than bring it unbridled success on the field , especially a poor Northern town club, as opposed to likes of Exeter and Wimbledon , the latter who ratio wise have the most millionaire supporters it is said. In my opinion only a sugar daddy can bring real sustained success , however it also in my opinion only a sugar daddy who can take a club under. I think a Trust has to run the whole club or nothing at all. I remain unconvinced about part shareholding and working together with business people, but we shall see. .

There are a good number of people who think the concept of a trust is 'not for the likes of us'. They labour under the delusion there's a set pattern of megalomaniac businessman ( owns four launderettes and manages a car wash) turning up on a white unicorn, splashes the cash and it's back to what were our glory days. Bollocks!!
I bet most of them don't have a memory that goes back before IOR or they'd know better.

You've said the 1 word there horden

Jealousy

Probably what it boils down too


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Haven't we got a random investor in sage/Pam Duxbury already. I am certainly not against the trust, fan ownership is the way forward but I am not in favour of lining the pockets of the current investors, yes the loans should be repaid or the value of the loans converted to shares in the club but it appears to me that Sage/Pam want the loan repaying and still have ownership of the club

As long we don't get the likes of Chip Fireball running our club, I heard he's taken over Ken Hodcroft's role of running puppies over using the gold plated steamroller (paid for by the trust of course)

If certain people had thought of starting a Pools Trust before the current one it would have been the best thing since sliced bread!!!!

I disagree with Joe and one point.

The Trust does, and will, represent ALL fans.

Its just that at the moment only 800 have a say.

But they are the biggest single body associated with Pools at the moment, and the only one officially recognised nationally and properly run. I am not including HUDSA here for obviousl reasons.

No other fan group has 800 members. Properly validated members. Fooking facebook doesnt count. Again for obvious reasons.

So in essence, the TRUST represents the fans of HUFC.

If any fan doesnt want to join then thats their prerogative.

But if they want a say in the future of Pools, then they will have to join.

Its quite simple really. INFACT its incredibly simple.

No membership, no vote, no say.

I disagree I think the part fan/part investor owned model is the best way forward for where we are right now.

I think in time the Trust could realistically fully own the club if we were in The Football Leaue, enough money now filters from TV deals and the like for League One and Two clubs to be relatively sound and self sustainable as long as you have a certain level of competence, responsibility and expertise in key areas from those in charge. Unfortunately thanks to the gross incompetence by the chancer who got his grubby hands on the club last year we aren't in the Football League anymore we need to get back as quickly as we possibly can, I don't think the Trust which has made remarkable strides in short space of time is quite in position to take over the club yet, like Steve Howard, it's too soon. We have someone in charge who has openly stated that she wants the fans to be involved at ownership level and she has also stated that this could be as part fan/investor model. She has expertise in turning around failing businesses and knows what she's doing financially.

Having people on the board willing invest money whilst the fans have an official seat on that board which lends itself to the full transparency and only attracting people with the best interests of the club at heart really is the best of both Worlds for me and how I'd like to see the club move forward. Then getting people like Jeff Stelling, local businesses and the people of the back onside can unlock the full potential the club has, we all know when everyone is pulling in same direction we have a great little Football Club that we can all be proud of.

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I think a realistic view of Pam/Sage is that they are effectively here to protect their investment - ie the money loaned to the club. Yes, they will want it back, but think for a minute: is alienating the fanbase and letting the club go under going to be the best way for them? History indicates not - footy fans can have long memories, and it runs the risk of poisoning future ventures - never mind the fact that there's little enough in terms of tangible assets. Instead, they're going for a business approach - get things steady, look for other investors. Having seen that there are very few people who genuinely have money to burn by taking on a small football club with a long history of struggle, they are looking for a consortium - in the meantime, is it any surprise that the accounts are proving complicated to make up. Things like improving the ground entry make sense - make it easy for people to give you money - on the pitch we've appointed a manager that's something of a calculated risk, but then again every appointment is.... I'm cutting them some slack for now, if in a few months there's no sign of the talk being walked then that's the time to question....

that makes sense to me.

800 is a fair sized army..these rebels you talk about,are they the same 5 or 6 who rode into Darlo on matchdays and give us a good hiding.?

Good post PJ. Like I said, I remain unconvinced, would love to think it could happen,regardless I cant see the Trust ever owning the club hook line and sinker, if it did, I think it would happen gradually , 20% at first, then 50% and so on until we hit 100%. No problem with our side of things, just with my political leanings and experience I believe those on the other side are invariably looking to either use you or rip you off. Hopefully that wouldn't be the case. As members we can change who is in charge on our side , but you are generally stuck with the person on the other side , the one with the 51% shareholding.

I think the trust will own the club, Mr I will become chairman, I will become manager, I know more than the rest of you, and Chip will become my No 2.

The team will be sponsored by the bunker, and it will be my ruLes, and my rules only.

Oh the fun I will have.

What was the 'announcement' Jeff was alluding to on football Saturday ?

Hey Colonel ! don't forget me as Head of Recruitment.

My apologies Mr Horden.

Horden head of recruitment.

YOU.....MANAGER? Comedy classic

Welcome back to the Presidents role Jeff!

Great stuff for the club and the Trust.

Stick to what you know, train spotting.
Now if we were looking for a fat controller, you have no equal.

Whooaaaa man.

How many insults can one man take in one post?

And I thought we were friends.

Sorry about that. Someone told me the insults per post was 3.86 per paragraph. I'll try and keep within the limits. Hope that helps.
You still subscribing to Shunters Wives..........?

Reading Jeff's comments, I raised a wry smile when he says come to me if things aren't better in a few weeks time... he's either brave or very foolish! He's hoping the confidence is well placed and for what it's worth, I think we will be on the up.