Mischief, fake news or legit - HUFC Trust donation

poolieboydave · **Posted:** Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:12 pm

Hi

Just seen on the other board that the trust may have made a donation of. £500 to Jeff's march. Is this the case? It's a very worthy cause and a great sentiment but was this put to members as it isn't exactly in line with what the trust is supposed to do!?

If it is just mischief making then some people need to get out more!

http://hufc1908.proboards.com/thread/5971/great-gesture

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

Yup, donation from the profits on the Retro Kit Pin Badges, which we (HUST board) agreed on prior to the donation.

loyal blue · **Joined:** Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:53 pm **Posts:** 1912

Statement released by trust chairman

just trying to right some wrongs on here in relation to the trust donating £500 to Jeff stellings charity walk fund. A decision was made by the board that the trust would make a donation firstly as it is a great cause and secondly as Jeff is honorary president. The money used was from part of profits gained from the sale of trust tops and badges, not, repeat not, from membership funds. I hope puts a stop to all the ill educated and badly informed views that have appeared on message boards. I have to admit that I am partially to blame for not putting an official statement earlier but I have been waiting for the photos to be sent to the trust enabling us to put a story to them. hopefully these will be posted soon. Thanks.

horden · **Posted:** Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:40 pm

loyal blue wrote:

Statement released by trust chairman

just trying to right some wrongs on here in relation to the trust donating £500 to Jeff stellings charity walk fund. A decision was made by the board that the trust would make a donation firstly as it is a great cause and secondly as Jeff is honorary president. The money used was from part of profits gained from the sale of trust tops and badges, not, repeat not, from membership funds. I hope puts a stop to all the ill educated and badly informed views that have appeared on message boards. I have to admit that I am partially to blame for not putting an official statement earlier but I have been waiting for the photos to be sent to the trust enabling us to put a story to them. hopefully these will be posted soon. Thanks.

Agreed some people are stirring the sh*t, think those in question always will, but others just want to be certain things are being done correctly , it is only a fledgling organisation and mistakes will probably be made at some point in the future. I would expect membership fees to be ring fenced, but I'm sure most members would imagine that all other monies raised would go towards what the Trust was formed for in the first place, that of stepping in to take over the running of the club in the case of a worst case scenario.

Personally I have no problem with this donation or donations to charities/good causes in general, and there have never been so many deserving causes out there , in this age of austerity ,as long as it done properly with the approval of the membership and/or their elected representatives. I think that is all some people were/are worried about.

I also find some of the remarks on the FB page about ignoring people who are low life, ill educated , , detrimental to further increasing the membership and unifying our supporters.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

lol pathetic stuff.

Great donation and a worthy cause.

Well done the Trust

poolieboydave · **Posted:** Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:57 pm

horden wrote:

Agreed some people are stirring the sh*t, think those in question always will, but others just want to be certain things are being done correctly , it is only a fledgling organisation and mistakes will probably be made at some point in the future. I would expect membership fees to be ring fenced, but I'm sure most members would imagine that all other monies raised would go towards what the Trust was formed for in the first place, that of stepping in to take over the running of the club in the case of a worst case scenario.

Sums up my feelings on the situation perfectly.

horden wrote:

I also find some of the remarks on the FB page about ignoring people who are low life, ill educated , , detrimental to further increasing the membership and unifying our supporters.

This with bells on.

However what I will say is that unlike many previous owners/boards at Pools the trust has been incredibly transparent within 25 minutes of the stuff flying around.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

The Press Release was supposed to be later in the week. Sadly had to be announced quickly (and without photos) due to shitty accusations (yet again) elsewhere.

Folk have every right not to join HUST. But for Bobs sake, just leave it at that. Don't join! Sideline sniping....

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Who the fuck would make an issue of a £500 donation to a Prostate Cancer charity?

By the way that is before you even mention the specifics of the chairity walk and who was doing it.

Beyond embarrassing I'm sorry anyone trying to cause shit about that is an imbecile.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

This is something that deserves full support, and is a credit to the trust.

I also agree wholeheartedly with Horden.

That is happening way too often.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

First Buster losing his job now this? I don't think I can continue in this world anymore, only monkeybutt's craic is keeping me going.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:15 pm

pooliecrab wrote:

First Buster losing his job now this? I don't think I can continue in this world anymore, only monkeybutt's craic is keeping me going.

I`m here for you butch therethere

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Certainly sounds win/win.

Donation to a great cause, will gain publicity for the Trust and the Club and result in new members.

Great stuff.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I've had a quick look online and other trusts make donations to local charities quiet regularly.

Newcastle just done summit very similar.

Publicity wise you couldn't get this type of coverage in the local press for £500 so it's win win.

And it's a bloody nice thing to do

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Superwatty · **Joined:** Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:38 pm **Posts:** 49

Chip Fireball wrote:

I was on a flight back from Spain last night otherwise that thread on the Trust FB Page would have very quickly been nipped in the bud.

A couple of members have legitimately asked whether the Trust should be making this sort of donation. It's a fair question, and one I asked myself when the matter was debated by the Trust Board. I was satisfied with the explanation, which was that the money donated had been raised by the sale of pin badges, and that it was within the Trusts constitution to make such a donation.

Two of the Board (Ron and Jo ) took part in the leg of the walk that ended up in Hartlepool then presented a cheque to Jeff, we thought it would be good publicity for us while supporting a good cause and our Honorary President. He was also presented with a Trust polo shirt. Let's be honest, Jeff has done his bit to raise the profile of The Supporters Trust, and will continue to do so.

In terms of the Membership Subscriptions, that money is ring fenced. As far as buying a stake in the club is concerned, a lot more money would need to be raised than is in the pot, and we explained fully where that would come from as and when the opportunity arises. Likewise Jeff himself stated in his message that was read out at The Trust Meeting that when the time comes he will put his hand in his pocket.

So although I was originally against the idea, once it was debated, it seemed like a win/win for The Trust.

Oh how I wish that you could have added this to the FB thread last night, it would have shot a few of the Fokkers down before they got off the ground. clappp

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

The ironing is on the fb page those moaning are not members of the trust so why they even give a shit I do not know.

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aptid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:49 pm **Posts:** 1506

The donation is undoubtedly going to an excellent cause, the sentiment was well meaning but (and I say this as a Trust member) it still feels a little bit like an own goal.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

aptid wrote:

The donation is undoubtedly going to an excellent cause, the sentiment was well meaning but (and I say this as a Trust member) it still feels a little bit like an own goal.

In what way?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37652

Trouble is, there's always someone who'll 'weaponise' something like this. And they'll go on and on and on and on.

aptid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:49 pm **Posts:** 1506

I suppose it could give the impression that funds (supported through membership) are no longer needed if you can give £500 away. The fact that this money was not raised by membership fees will be lost on many, it doesn't take much to discourage some to not join the trust.

As already stated by those involved, it could have been handled better.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

There's a press release due out this week with photos n all sorts

It's hardly the trusts fault someone found out early and shit stirred.

They released a statement like 30 mins later

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Sounds like th trust will be more careful which shit stirrers they tell from now on.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

It could of been someone else who was there when the cheque was presented to Jeff. Truth is it doesn't matter, someone got their wires crossed and Chinese whispers ensued.
Explaination has been made, time to move on. More important things to give a shit about.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

People just seem to be in outrage mode over everything

Buster
Badge
Trust

Maybe it's delayed outrage, like they forgot to be outraged over coxall so now they are over every little shitty thing.

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MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:09 pm

And absolutely pathetic!!!!

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:38 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

Was a bloke on here the other day saying the board was full of Loony Lefties. I said to him if he thought The Bunker was too left wing he should join the other board where they were more on his level i.e. there was a quite a few Corbyn hating Tories on there.

Steve Sharp starts a thread on there saying I'm having a pop at their board and their members ( simply for pointing out a fact, this board is broadly left wing, theirs is broadly right wing ) I then get a load of abuse and the bloke running the board tells folk to get in touch with me on Facebook.

Like you say, outraged over absolutely fuck all. In fact outraged over me actually recommending someone to use their board. Fucking nuts.

And they deleted my post pointing out that they were acting like a bunch of fannies sadx

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

misterb2001 wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

Was a bloke on here the other day saying the board was full of Loony Lefties. I said to him if he thought The Bunker was too left wing he should join the other board where they were more on his level i.e. there was a quite a few Corbyn hating Tories on there.

Steve Sharp starts a thread on there saying I'm having a pop at their board and their members ( simply for pointing out a fact, this board is broadly left wing, theirs is broadly right wing ) I then get a load of abuse and the bloke running the board tells folk to get in touch with me on Facebook.

Like you say, outraged over absolutely fuck all. In fact outraged over me actually recommending someone to use their board. Fucking nuts.

And they deleted my post pointing out that they were acting like a bunch of fannies sadx

Whenever I do have a glance at their board for pooliemads latest bunker update your one of the very few between the boards who actually appears happy to post on either with no alliance etc and is happy to say both boards as bad as each other.

Surprised they would delete owt you say to be honest as it obvious your impartial.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

The bunker v itb match was a great kick about.

Think we trounced them on that sandpit up Marty's. Was in me prime back then about 5-6 years ago so it was a bit easy for me.

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I'm sure we had a game on greys Astro about 2010/11 ish n micky 3 quid brought about 6 ringers. I brought a few lads aswell including me Mexican mate. Aido played so it was like playing a man down.

Must be the first year in a long time next season me n Mick aren't in Sunday league.

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Superwatty · **Joined:** Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:38 pm **Posts:** 49

Chip Fireball wrote:

Was a bloke on here the other day saying the board was full of Loony Lefties.

Ooh me ribs the thought that Mr I may be a "Loony Leftie". Mrs T will be turning in her grave.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

I would say this board is more St Petersburg 1917 than broadly left leaning these day (one for her university educated chaps Mr Valiant

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I was posting me last team sheet a few weeks ago and micky 3 quid was doing his at the same time.

45 mins later I'm still stood on the corner of amberton road chewing the fat.

Top man.

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The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

I posted my last one 20 years ago.

I could see then how bad local footy was.

20 years on it must be shocking.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37652

Valiant wrote:

It is the way society is going these days. People have to be instructed when to be angry and when to be outraged.

Chip is right in what he said, this board is broadly left leaning and the other board is largely right leaning. It was no shock to see Horden for instance switch to this board in the run up to the election because people like to be part of a group which broadly shares the same views.

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If this board ever becomes the home for one view I'd be off like a rocket.
I don't have a party, never have and never will, I'm a floating voter and try not to discuss politics, it's my business how I note.

Essex poolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:42 pm **Posts:** 901

Sorry but some people need to get a life, well done trust board for the donation to the Prostrate Cancer March. The fact that the board chairman then had to justify that the donation was from funds raised was ridiculous yet credit due it was done promptly showing complete transparency. Do you not realise if the trust is to be taken seriously and to be part of the future of the club we need to support them and not put obstacles in the way. If we forget about charity we may as well give up now.

horden · **Posted:** Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:47 am

This is what I think. If the Trust is to be taken seriously it needs to be getting as much money in the bank as possible, certainly in the first few years, until a decent war chest is built up , not giving the proceeds of any commercial venture such as the selling of merchandise to charities left , right and centre. The whole idea of the trust is to have enough money to be able to keep the club in existence should the unthinkable happen. Also I think it is healthy that in an organisation that people can hold their elected representatives to account, they are not lord and masters over the members money, whether from membership fees or from sales of merchandise. I am sure the people on the committee would agree with this.

I wholeheartedly agree with the donation to the Presidents charity, its a good cause, and it was good for publicity, the Trust needs the publicity , certainly in its infancy. I think donating to charity and forging links with the local community is important and donations should continue, but the trust should not exist just purely to dish out money to good causes. I do think it could of been managed better , such as a statement before the event rather than after, however I appreciate that may of ruined the surprise for Jeff, but as I said earlier , in a fledgling organisation mistakes will happen , I'm sure if the committee think a mistake has happened they will learn from it. I think in that respect people should cut them some slack , and I think people have. I haven't seen a post where anyone thinks the donation was wrong , just people showing concern about where their future monies may end up ,whether membership fees or money they have spent on merchandise, lets face it, the next donation could be to something that may be controversial , such as a donation to Hartlepool Mosque. You have to have transparency, it has to be democratic , that is all some were concerned about , not me, as I have every faith in those in charge to do the right thing, well at least more often than not, because we are all human remember.

Right , where's me tin hat?

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Im sure the publicity and the extra members/companies getting on board from it will more than make up for the £500 donation to be honest.

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

horden wrote:

This is what I think. If the Trust is to be taken seriously it needs to be getting as much money in the bank as possible, certainly in the first few years, until a decent war chest is built up , not giving the proceeds of any commercial venture such as the selling of merchandise to charities left , right and centre. The whole idea of the trust is to have enough money to be able to keep the club in existence should the unthinkable happen. Also I think it is healthy that in an organisation that people can hold their elected representatives to account, they are not lord and masters over the members money, whether from membership fees or from sales of merchandise. I am sure the people on the committee would agree with this.

I wholeheartedly agree with the donation to the Presidents charity, its a good cause, and it was good for publicity, the Trust needs the publicity , certainly in its infancy. I think donating to charity and forging links with the local community is important and donations should continue, but the trust should not exist just purely to dish out money to good causes. I do think it could of been managed better , such as a statement before the event rather than after, however I appreciate that may of ruined the surprise for Jeff, but as I said earlier , in a fledgling organisation mistakes will happen , I'm sure if the committee think a mistake has happened they will learn from it. I think in that respect people should cut them some slack , and I think people have. I haven't seen a post where anyone thinks the donation was wrong , just people showing concern about where their future monies may end up ,whether membership fees or money they have spent on merchandise, lets face it, the next donation could be to something that may be controversial , such as a donation to Hartlepool Mosque. You have to have transparency, it has to be democratic , that is all some were concerned about , not me, as I have every faith in those in charge to do the right thing, well at least more often than not, because we are all human remember.

Right , where's me tin hat?

No tin hat needed as far as I'm concerned. This seems to be pretty much spot on.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:31 am

I think the core activity of the trust has to be about making the future of Pools safe through supporter representation on the board. In the worst case that might mean fan ownership but enough of a part ownership stake to keep a close eye on things would be fine too.

Alongside that getting involved in projects like improving disabled facilities at the club is obviously good news and I think support for community charities or charities linked to the club is a positive thing too. Nobody wants to be a member of an organisation that does nothing most of the time so keeping the trust's profile up by supporting worthwhile causes and campaigns seems wise to me.

I think the board can probably decide on which are best to back and how much to spend sensibly - for example I wouldn't expect them to give a penny to any religious group because it would just cause arguments. If, in my opinion, they get anything wrong I can hold them to account by asking them to explain the decision and by voting against them in the next election if I don't like the reply.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

My advice to the trust board would be this:

Carry on the good work, and everyone involved should be proud of their achievements so far.

As for the naysayers, just ignore them for now, though in the long term I firmly believe they should be ostracized forever, and not be sucked up to in an attempt to get them onside.

They have done massive damage, and are nothing but bitter individuals that are not worth any of your time or effort.

But thats just my opinion.

But I am right.

as usual.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:11 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

However massive damage has been done to the club by Coxall and Goldberg, and the true extent of that, and their motives will be revealed in the fullness of time.
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I appreciate that a lot cannot be divulged yet but I am looking forward to hearing the detail in the fullness of time.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:24 pm

The Colonel wrote:

My advice to the trust board would be this:

Carry on the good work, and everyone involved should be proud of their achievements so far.

As for the naysayers, just ignore them for now, though in the long term I firmly believe they should be ostracized forever, and not be sucked up to in an attempt to get them onside.

They have done massive damage, and are nothing but bitter individuals that are not worth any of your time or effort.

But thats just my opinion.

But I am right.

as usual.

And I agree with your opinion!!!!

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:39 pm

Essex poolie wrote:

Sorry but some people need to get a life, well done trust board for the donation to the Prostrate Cancer March. The fact that the board chairman then had to justify that the donation was from funds raised was ridiculous yet credit due it was done promptly showing complete transparency. Do you not realise if the trust is to be taken seriously and to be part of the future of the club we need to support them and not put obstacles in the way. If we forget about charity we may as well give up now.

Correct, now let's move on..........

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