i watched the repeat of last weeks last night when at last someone finally said three important things.

1 - black flag were class

2 - rem were very good before they picked up the mandolin

and 3 - the pixies were the major players behind the 'grunge' generation and not feckin cobain

I agree with point 3 Kit-e-Kat, apart from the feckin Cobain line mind...Kurdt was a class act
but don't agree with points 1 + 2...


watched the end only last night [i'll see the repeat likely], the libertine story is interesting - far better than the band themselves

you dont like black flag? - not everyone's cup of tea - but i like em

rem were good before they went mainstream and to be honest i have liked very little of what they have done since document.

cobain may have been pivotal in bringing the style of music to the yoof of the day - a lot of probably had something to do with the fact that he came from the same background, age range etc as them - you listen to come on pilgrim by the pixies and maybe a bit of dinosaur jr - delightful stuff - and you'll see where nirvana blagged their ideas from - nirvane were indeed very good, but what i was trying to state was that they were not the driving force behind the 'scene' as so many state.

C

yeah, I agree

Pixies are the Kings for me, always have been

on the back of that programme I listened to Let Me In off that orange monster albym REM did, you know the one about KC played on one of his guitars by peter Buck, its a great song




oh, black flag, no don't like em much....sozza

REM best band in the world ever in my humble opinion, I think that the Monster album is their best as well

I wish that I had got to see REM live, I had tickets for two tours both at Sheffield Arena and both were cancelled, the first due to Bill Berry having his brain tumour and the second one we actually saw the support act but it was then cancelled because Mike Mills was rushed to hospital.

Mr Glasses I agree with you about Green though that is indeed a great album especially You Are Everything and Get Up

Do you have their In The Attic album MR G it is alternative recordings from 1985-1989 and a good listen there is a good version of Aerosmiths Toys in the Attic on there, I got it from the in laws a few years back but they got it on import and I have never seen it in any shops or any websites, if not I can do you a copy if you want

Aye, I've got it on cassette Fensy!

Lucky enough to see REM on the Green tour, a masterpiece of an album for me - best though is Fables! Also lucky enough to see the Pixies and they are the absolute dogs - can't see Nirvana at all misen. Pixies spawned grunge - true but didn't Husker Du spawn the Pixies and so on. If you want real head splitting music though look no further than The MC5 I say . . . Kick Out The Jams Brothers and Sisters . . .

MC5 now you are talking Ramblin Rose and all of that

Ok i'll concede Green is pretty damn fine album

And of course Pixies had to have had their ideas from somewhere.

Anyone like Dinosaur Jnr?

aye they should have stayed put

too cultish for a comeback

Again, I've got everything REM released plus bootlegs, imports, fan club singles (No Matter What - Badfinger!!! Classic cover) and I've seen them numerous times. Even a fookin' awful interview CD taped badly on a train between Dover and London. Like Mr John I was at Lancashire Cricket Club on the thinnest pretext that it was my daughters birthday present, Loch Lomond a couple of years back, Glastonbury twice but never indoors.

Their cover of Peter Gabriels Red Rain in Gronningen (in a venue in which I've played) is breathtaking, although obviously not as good as we were!!

They are simply the dogs bollocks.

so you like them then yes?

Yeah, they're alright I suppose..........

Rocket Reducer No. 62 (rama lama fa fa fa) - this band were the begining of punk for me fensy. First album was incendiary, second chock full of pre Ramones, Ramones and what a great single Tonight was.

Some great bands about when REM kicked off - Green on Red/Rain Parade/Long Riders/Blasters/Los Lobos (arguably the most gifted of em all) etc.

Have you got the Bingo Hand Job bootleg pooliekev - if so I am very envious? A copy of said album would warrant free ale in The Peacock come September!

I have a large slice of it, including Billy Bragg on human beatbox on Tom's Diner!!

As for Green On Red, well, where do I start?? I had to choose no more than 10 albums to bring to China and Here Come The Snakes was first in the box. My old band used to cover Time Ain't Nothing. I saw them at the first Reading Festival I went to in 1989. Unfortunately I had to miss the re-union gig at Camden last year as I was China bound. Poor Ole Dan!!

Gas Food Lodging does it for me pooliekev. Saw them at Leeds University - superb.

Bingo Hand Job is a terrific set list and personally I'm a sucker for a bit of mandolin!

In all the talk about music on here no one ever mentions the god like genius that is Captain Beefheart. Is he not to the poolie taste?

I taped BHJ off the radio...

the bit I hate is when stipe laughs at billy bragg going 'unbelievable'

dunno why, just do



I queued all night to get tickets for that 1st sheff arena gig fens....was gutted about that cancellation...it was only a glorified headache FFS!

When I got the refund from them tickets, I couldn't make the replacement concert, it paid for me to see Kings Of Leon so it wasn't all bad in the end.

One thing I remember from going to Sheffield was there is a Wacky Warehouse stlye pub over the road and me and my brother took about £40 from one of the slot machines

It's a great album but the Snakes album is my favourite. Story goes that Dan Stewart came home from the Gas Food Lodging tour and his missus had her bags packed. Nothing had gone right on that tour. They had the van nicked with all their stuff on it and his voice went due to illness.I've got a four track ten inch vinyl called Pore Ole Dan which commemorates it.He disappeared into San Francisco's Tenderloin district and drank himself into numbness while his band were in the studio trying to put an album together. He turns up six weeks later, scraps all the demo's and recorded Snakes in two days. On the end of Broken Radio, you can hear Chuck Prophet say 'Is that it??' and Dan replies 'Yup.....'

I saw them at the Leadmill in Sheffield probably on the same tour, about 1990??