I expect TV stations and newspapers to be a little biased towards the tories , its understandable. they are owned by billionaires and their editors are probably millionaires , but the bias of late is embarrassing. Basically it is the media that have propped Theresa May up.

Anyway to end on a lighter note, this is how Corbyn ended his last rally speech tonight


' I’m very proud of the positive message we’ve put forward ... And we have refrained from personal abuse because I do not believe that gets us anywhere. I understand, because my neighbours tell me, that some people have said some very unkind things about me. I forgive them all'

What's not to like ?.

It's all a bit of a confused mess. Labour £10 an hour wage , what's that all about? Some jobs aren't worth that. Are they trying to put people on job seekers allowance? How's that going to impact essentials like food? Will the supermarkets absorb the cost or put up prices or just cut peoples hours? I thought Labour were against zero hours contracts and companies takin the piss?

I don't think putting up the minimum wage from £7.90 an hour to £10 in a short space of time will make companies overly keen in offering full time hours... Also if companies are less profitable because of squeezed margins doesn't that mean they pay less tax? Isn't that where Labour are getting all their money from.

The tories are a joke as well with this we'll take everything you've ever worked for apart from 100k. It's ironic that the socialists are against this though, are they really in favour of someone with millions of pounds worth of assets getting free healthcare?

Nice to see other people are despairing about the lack of a decent choice this year.

Labour might have been a good alternative, had they put the right man in charge. You can't blame the press entirely for his inability to inspire a nation who have such poor alternatives. I think they blew it too with so many promises of free stuff. It all went from sounding good to sounding a bit far fetched. If the Tories still win after the rubbish campaign they have had and all the unpopular things they have done, you have to say that Labour have let the people down as an opposition party.

I'm still undecided and will probably remain so until Im in the booth with pencil in hand.

Whatever happens, Corbyn has come out of this by far the better. The amount of flak he's had to fend off has been incredible.

Some jobs aren't worth that? are you for real? what jobs are you talking about? Is John Terry worth 100k a week, and another human being worth less than £10 an hour, what sort of country do you want to live in?


I've got a better idea Jonny, how about put the min wage down to around £3 , that will surely tempt supermarkets to create more jobs, and then the people with those jobs, will spend all their £120 in the local economy , therefore creating even more jobs.

Have you not heard that the top 5% in this country have saw their incomes double since 2010? how do you think that came about? Have you not heard about the huge profits most of the big corporations make? How do you think they make these profits ? by screwing the workers, through low pay, pay freezes, and zero hours contracts. Labour is committed to tackling these problems, that will pay for the £10 an hour min wage, then people may have some left over to spend in the local economy, like going to Pools for instance.

Lack of alternatives? FFS! The right man is in charge, that is why the tories are bricking it. Who would you suggest could of done a better job ? Mahatma Ghandi?


Nah mate , you're not undecided , you will be voting Tory.

The same old crap was trotted out in the late 90's when the minimum wage was introduced and it didn't happen

Its 2017, not 1977, we are the fourth largest economy in the world, paying someone a tenner an hour rather than six quid is a drop in ocean


As far as healthcare goes, that's the point, it a fair and balanced system, everyone who can pays in and gets the benefit

The way people go on you would think they like living in shite conditions, with shite housing, as long as their silk scarf is clean and no mistake, 'god bless you for letting me have one day off a fortnight'

Some large businesses lose money - if people don't want their product they go bust and people lose their jobs. I might not like the fact that Terry is on £100k per week but a lot of that will be taxed and someone is prepared to pay for it, ie fans, sponsors, sky subscribers etc - I don't like it but none of us would turn it down would we?

How is £10 an hour going to help small business get off the ground? What about businesses that are scraping by that suddenly have to find these extra wages?

how will £10 an hour not put prices up? The person that picks the fruit, cleans the fruit, packs the fruit, transports the fruit, stacks the fruit on the shelf and then the person that takes the money for the fruit are all likely to get a pay rise so surely the price will go up? So how will there be more disposable income?

I do not agree with the labour character assassinations but the seem to live in the ideal world rather than the real world.

This sort of bile has been trotted out before , though not on this scale , which is unprecedented. The headline in The Sun today should be subject to police activity, it is that wrong.

In the past we have seen the likes of Scargill, Foot and Tony Benn, subject to the same sort of abuse, the common denominator, all of them were prepared to have a go at the establishment. If they have a go at you, its because you are doing something right, something that could seriously damage their wealth.

I doubt they would of afforded Hilary Benn or David Miliband the pleasure, why? because they would not of been a threat to the establishment, therefore they wouldn't of been much good for the vast majority of people either as leaders of the Labour Party, though I do get the " you have to be in power argument " but power at all costs, where you sacrifice your principles is a pretty desperate situation.

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So lets scrap the minimum wage, I'm sure the tories will do it, and pay everyone £1 an hour, that according to your logic is the way forward. I really do despair !!! No wonder the country is fooked.


If you are on more than 80k a year and vote Tory , you are a selfish t*at, if you earn less than that and vote tory, you are a stupid t*at.

And by time it is phased in, it may only be worth the equivalent of £7.50 today. Also you have to be 25 to get it, I seem to remember getting full pay when I was 18. What happened to all the money the boss made not paying a full wage ( if you can call the min wage that ) until a worker is 25, well I think most of us know where it went, it made the boss even wealthier, no doubt Jonny believes the boss would of passed that wealth down to his workers, but I guess he or she would of placed it in an offshore bank account in the Bahamas, or bought themselves an apartment in Dubai , another classic car to add to their collection of 50, or a street of houses to rent out in Rochdale. While the person on the min wage has to go to a Foodbank.

He is not the right man. If he was he'd be destroying the poor opposition he is up against. He is not. He hasnt inspired the floating voter. The reason this election came about was because he had performed so badly that the Tories felt confident enough to go for it there and then. Its clear many on here like JC. Many of these people are predisposed to vote Labour anyway. It isn't them he has had to work hard to win over. He was always far too way out there on the left and there are not enough voters who are left enough to get him in power.

I'm thinking independent at the mo

Corbyn currently 5/1 ATM with Sky Bet

Sorry Mr Imp, but that is complete B*llocks. You have contradicted yourself. You say he is not the right man, that May called the election because his popularity was so low. So how is it then that Corbyn is only a couple of points behind in the opinion polls ? and the full weight of all available state machinery is being thrown at him, the despicable headlines in todays papers, the lies and the slurs, surely if he is so weak there would be no need for it? He has proved to be a fantastic leader, who has increased voting popularity to within a whisker of the tories, increased membership of the party from 80,000 to 500,000 and basically saved the party from oblivion.

You have a fair point about not enough voters on the left, I have always said the British are conservative at heart, born to serve their masters, conform and follow. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it , as they say.

What is the point of voting Independent? unless you know that person as someone who could be a good MP for your constituency.

Decent price for a 2 horse race

Horden, JC has done well to climb up the polls and has managed to mobilise and motivate tbe left but I believe Labour were down in the first place in part due to him. A fantastic leader? I hope that's some comfort when we are all under 5 more years under a blue flag. Thats not fantastic.

I think the Labour party put too much value on making sure their party were satisfactorily far enough to the left when the priority should have been on winning.

We keep on saying we are one of the richest country's in the world so why not spend more.
The rich are the rich always have been and always will be so when they leggitt what are me and you left with.
1.7 trillion pounds worth of debt so i dont know what economics you might use but for me when i am in debt i am skint.

6 Months ago i thought Corbyn was unelectable and May a good stateswoman........how wrong could i be.........he has performed with honour and dignity and answered questions, she acts like the leader of a nasty group of people who think they have conned the people again, refusing to be interviewed, having no policies and evading questions.
This time i am voting labour!

I think he is gong to find himself in opposition again after today. If he continues to get stronger then that's a good thing. Every government needs keeping on its toes.

Yeah , you are skint , but the rich continue to get richer , work that one out? Well I have, even though you are skint, they will continue to let you borrow , so that you can buy consumer goods, otherwise the country would sink, as we don't produce or own anything these days, you may decide not to pay back what you borrowed, result, you are still skint, the rich get richer and the country is even more in debt.

He has energised the young , most of whom it seems will be voting Labour. The older voters voting Tory today, wont be around much longer, the young will be, so its all good as far as I'm concerned.

I hope the country can withstand 5 more years of Austerity, I really do, but I have my doubts.

Can't for the life of me see how May can negotiate a good Brexit deal , when she is afraid to speak in public and go head to head with the opposition leader.

The party had to go to the left as it had went so far to the right , it was getting hard to tell the difference between the Tories and Labour.

As has already been said though, Corbyn isn't really that left wing, he is a pussycat compared to some of the lefties of the past. Its a shame that decent , fair , respectable policies are now seen as left wing, shows how far this country has declined and become insular and right wing

I agree the government who ever that may be should be held to account.
This country is starting of now with a budget of 800 billion pounds thats 800 thousand million pounds and its still not enough we are constantly running a deficit on the budget.
The country needs to understand this problem is not going to go away its just getting worse so you either spend less or raise more they are the only two options available to address the problem.
Give labour their due they are saying tax the rich more how ever this initiative is only so we can spend more but it doesnt address the problem of debt.
Bye the way im not defending the tories in any way shape or form but until any government is honest about the shit we are in because if they dont sooner rather than later some one else will

I stuck a bet on a Labour minority government. Odds are much better than Corbyn being next PM and the chances of a Labour majority is too slim for me.

This has been a great thread, and an interesting read. However, I can't remember a post that has mentioned the local MP or Candidates for the Constituency. Personally I have read hustings (nb not the BNP candidates), and have checked the current incumbents track record. I will be voting for an MP who will look after my and the Constituents best needs, not necessarily the Party or the Leader. Yes I know its all intertwined, but that is my Ilk! The National Election, was made for Local representatives, servicing local communities, then the press get involved over the Years and....... Or I may be being an Idealist Drama Queen.

I was going to ask the same.

I haven't met a single person working that didn't deserve at least £0 an hour

I have voted Tory.
I came from a poor background.
I'm not rich but I have a decent job which pays reasonably well but I'm on Corbyn's radar.
I have no desire to pull up the ladder.
Everyone who gets off their arse and puts a shift in deserves a living wage.
Therefore I support the living wage at £10 an hour.

Fair play John ! I'm sure there are others like you, the only problem is , if they vote Tory those getting off their arse and putting a shift in, won't get the £10 an hour, but I do get your point.

See ! Chip has a social conscience, although his 85k may turn into 82k under Labour , he believes it a price worth paying , rather than have to go out on an evening , and have to pass people queuing up at foodbanks, passing ex soldiers in doorways begging for money or risk been stabbed to death on the way home by some psychopath , who if it hadn't been for cuts to mental health services, would of been tucked up in bed in a psychiatric hospital.

Is this the world people truly want to live in?

To expect to keep all your money in a crazy fooked up world, is a false economy. Much better to pay your dues and live in a fairer, more equal society, where none of the above prevail.

We'll get you next time..5 years to rip them to pieces. . #votelabour

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Well I voted, and it was a pleasant walk to and from the Polling Station. Caught the weather just fine.

Mr Imp, the reason Labour have caught up in the polls is because Corbyn has been given coverage.

Before May called the election, you heard loads about him, but never from him. Since he's been given a platform, loads of people have realised he isn't the freak that the right wing media have him down as.

Plus the Labour manifesto is very strong, and lots of folk are starting to see through the Tory bullshit finally.

Corbyn has acheived what no other Labour leader could have done in my opinion.

I am a corbyn convert. I think he is a fantastic human being, and deserves massive credit.

He is going to lose the election but he is a winner in my eyes.

Colonel when they've totally fucked Brexit, the NHS and the Country in 5 years we'll have them ..our time will come. .sooner or later

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Can we afford another 5 years though ? then it will cost some money to put right

GET THE F UCK IN, IF THE EXIT POLLS ARE RIGHT.

Its closer than anyone could have hoped.

If the BBC EXIT Poll is anything to go by then there will be some frantic meetings in the next few days. Will the Libs get back in power? It will be interesting to see the SNP bargaining agenda too, and with who?

That's a big if though, weren't they way off for the last general election?

How funny would be after the Tories have fucked up an election that two months ago was harder not them to come out with a massive majority.

After Cameron fucked up Brexit. Well even called the referendum in the first place for that matter....

PJ there's loads of BIG Ifs and BUTs, I suppose that is the fun in the waiting for an official result. We can all pretend to be Paxman or Marr, edit or The Colonel!!!!

Hope they're wrong about the SNP and the Tory majority will be even less.. oh and Fallon is a DICK

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It must be close to a historically poor result to lose a majority from their starting position in the polls if that's right. I don't see how we can form a working government from it though. No-one's going to want to work with the tories and the rest will struggle to put together a functional majority between them. We could be back at this a lot sooner than anyone would like.

I hope it's right I really do.

Can we close down The Sun and The Daily Mail after this as the people who normally listen to them have clearly stopped.

Who cares she's toast after this ..and the tories will rip each other to shreds if it is correct

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Now Now i think a few of you boys need to calm down.
It will be alright on the night...........

One good thing that's come out of this already is the UKIP are clearly being obliterated.
Good riddance and don't forget to shut the door on your way out.

Amber Rudd just interviewed before the count, embarrassing, talk about non commital!!!

Rudd!!!!!



Now get yourself to the job centre. Don't be late though, don't want to get sanctioned!

Well exit poll was spot on.

The slack jawed witch is finished.

No no no. She's strong and stable.
#toastistoast