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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:26 am 
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Mark Noble left out and Delph in doesn't seem right


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:34 am 
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We won all the qualifiers, Delph featured in a fair few of them and played pretty well. He's not going to discard players who got us there.

I don't get all the fuss about Mark Noble, he's an average fairly limited player, yes he's played pretty well this season but we don't need another player of his type in the squad. Listening to West Ham fans you'd think he was Messi or something. Drinkwater is a far better player, Dier will probably start in that position and is a far better player. Delph is player more suited to International level, he certainly has more pace and technical ability. Noble is a solid pro and a steady player for a his club but I've never once looked at him and thought he should be playing for England.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:52 am 
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The fact there isn't one West Ham player in there considering their season is a bit of a disgrace. I'm thinking of Cresswell and Antonio particularly. I also would've loved to see Defoe in there.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:58 am 
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Antonio should've been ahead of Townsend.. More appearances this season, more goals and more assists.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:19 pm 
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Antonio should of been ahead of Kyle Walker. Townsend is bang in form and was only a regular starter since his Newcastle move, I'd happily put money on him scoring/assisting more than Antonio over a full season.

As much as I like Wilshire I didn't realise he'd only started 3 league games this season. How can he be considered ahead of Noble?

Other than that I can't argue with Roy's squad and I have a good feeling we won't be entirely disapointing this summer.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:23 pm 
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Just realised three will still have to be chopped.

Delph, Wilshere and Rashford will go unless they really impress in the friendlies coming up.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:31 pm 
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pooliecrab wrote:
AAs much as I like Wilshire I didn't realise he'd only started 3 league games this season. How can he be considered ahead of Noble?

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Because he is a better player?

I would take Wilshire on crutches over Delph, Henderson, Noble, Milner, Drinkwater, and other workmanlike player Woy seems to love.

I think we have the makings a good team, and could go a long way. If Woy picks the best 11, and not pick his formation first. And slot players in to suit.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:34 pm 
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pooliecrab wrote:
Just realised three will still have to be chopped.

Delph, Wilshere and Rashford will go unless they really impress in the friendlies coming up.


I would rather he kept Wilshere in and dropped Sterling. Done ball all since he left Liverpool. Wilshere has a bit of creativity which is what the central midfield is lacking if Alli is pushed further forward.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:37 pm 
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I would keep Rashford in as well.

I would drop Delph, Henderson and Bertrand.

Well actually I would keep Bertrand and leave Milner out. But Woy loves him.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:38 pm 
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No doubt he's more talented player but he's more than a tad unlucky with injuries. Surely selection should be based on recent form? I'd be very disapointed to be dropped for someone who's managed less than 200 mins of football in a year.

That said I do like Wilshere and am happy with the squad overall, which I'm sure was Roy's main concern.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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of course the friendlies will be a major factor. And no doubt someone will get injured.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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totally disagree with the comment that Drinkwater is just a workmanlike player. On current form he's the most complete midfield player we have linking box to box with intelligent passing and reading the game (i.e. What a central midfield player should do). If Wilshere proves his fitness I'd have him, Drinkwater and Alli pushed further forward.

The comments about Delph, Henderson and Milner I agree with, athletes yes good passers of the ball no


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:44 pm 
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Dalton'sHaircut wrote:
The comments about Delph, Henderson and Milner I agree with, athletes yes good passers of the ball no

I would usually say I agree about Milner but having seem him recently he seems reinvigorated under Klopp. One of the creative sparks that have taken Liverpool to the other European final. I'd chose him over Lallana who has all the tricks but can't finish.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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pooliecrab wrote:
Antonio should of been ahead of Kyle Walker. Townsend is bang in form and was only a regular starter since his Newcastle move, I'd happily put money on him scoring/assisting more than Antonio over a full season.


Antonio has only been a regular since January for West Ham, about a month ahead of Townsend.

Him aside, I think Roy has picked a decent 23, providing he drops Wilshere, Delph and Sterling.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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He did ok to make 26 starts then! Twice what Townsend made.

As I've said I'd of taken both. Antonio impressed me even at right back, more so than Walker has this season.


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PoolieTom wrote:
pooliecrab wrote:
Antonio should of been ahead of Kyle Walker. Townsend is bang in form and was only a regular starter since his Newcastle move, I'd happily put money on him scoring/assisting more than Antonio over a full season.


Antonio has only been a regular since January for West Ham, about a month ahead of Townsend.

Him aside, I think Roy has picked a decent 23, providing he drops Wilshere, Delph and Sterling.


What exactly is your problem with Wilshire?

He is one of the few players that offer that little bit of world class that Drnkwater, Milner, Delph, Henderson dont.

Why would you not want that sort of player in your international squad, even if he didnt make the starting 11?

I just dont get it. In any other country he would be a certainty.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 5:22 pm 
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I've got no problem with him as footballer but he's started one game all season, he's surely not going to be anywhere the fitness/sharpness required for tournament football? We've seen it in the past when players get picked after prolonged spells out injured, they rarely do themselves justice.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 5:25 pm 
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I agree if he isnt fit. But if he is, he will be fresh...............unlike most that always afil at tournamnets due to burn out.

And if fit, he is worth the risk.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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I don't think anyone has disputed Wilshire's ability, my gripe is with his fitness.

Roy and his staff will be in the best position to judge that and will act accordingly but I'd be pleasantly suprised if he was deemed fit.

My ideal midfield 4 would probably be Dier, Wilshire, Barkley and Alli as I can see them playing with no fear. That could be a bad thing but it could also be the making of the team.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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It's a safe bet he'll play both friendlies at the end of this month before the final 23 are selected.

If he breaks down, so be it - if he comes through them alright he's nailed on to start in France. Easy to forget how well he played in the qualifying group.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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He got man of the match in his last 6 out 7 England games.

If he's fit it's a no brainier.

These matches n training will give us an idea.

Not sure why people have such a problem with him.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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He got man of the match in his last 6 out 7 England games.

If he's fit it's a no brainier.

These matches n training will give us an idea.

Not sure why people have such a problem with him.


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He's not played for year I don't anyone has a 'problem' but missing a full season apart from one start is an obvious concern.


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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 9:03 am 
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I don't have a problem with Wilshere, I just don't think he is deserving of being there. Aside from the game time and fitness levels already mentioned, I think we have a few midfielders who are more complete than he is, who offer you more in a game than he does. You get a few flashes of brilliance from him, but you get more than your fair share of rubbish too. He's a 'luxury' I think we can do without.

He would be brilliant in a 5-a-side England team though.


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