Every year we the supporters commit our hard earned money to buying season tickets committing money to the club up front.

We get no guarantees which is probably the same for most clubs.

But in recent years here at Hartlepool we've been given bottom of the barrel signings because our budget is so poor.

Look where that's got us.

Now the way I look at it, we the supporters are the people pumping their money into a club with no guarantees and all we ask for in return is that the owners of the club, who have selected an experienced manager in Ronnie Moore, who so far has exceeded all expectations the budget to compete in this league.

Trust your own judgment in selecting Ronnie, have some faith and in return you will receive 5000 supporters every game.

We have faith in him, hope you have too.

Come on Ken find that little bit more for the budget.

I,m sure someone worked out our annual turnover at about £3 million.
If FFP allows half of that to go on the players wages budget then Ronnie should have the funds to build a decent team especially if all the deadwood are going.

I wonder if bury who will have a similar turnover offer poor wages?
At the end of the day its about ambition.
Ior dont have any as the past 5 seasons prove that.

Bury is a completely different kettle of fish.

They sold the naming rights to the stadium., not sure if still same but it became JD sports stadium.

They were granted permission to hold 10 concerts a year at the ground.

That are two ways that Pools will not (in the foreseeable future) bring in any revenue. So there turnover with regards to match day income is probably similar those 10 concerts a year will bring in money that Pools can't generate. Though it is an idea.

Who was on at exeter citys stadium this year like?

I've just seen maximo park announce a small tour, are they playing at the afc wimbledon stadium?

Don't forget how much money Darlow made by having concerts!

I'm going to see U2 at Gigg Lane in July.

Cambridge Uniteds annual turnover is 1.6M a year ( reported to press when they played man utd). Our turnover is nearly double, so we should be able to field our own competitive team and not be reliant on loans from clubs with similar/ less income.

calm down everyone. Without IOR we would be dead now.

I read it somewhere.

You can only hide behind FFP if u dont publish tbe proper accounts at the agm.

For example a club with a £2 million turnover can spend £1 million on players wages which breaks down to 19k a week.

3 million 29k a week

Who mentioned Accrington or Exeter ?

Someone brought Bury up and I give a reply to that particular club. Those are facts about Bury.Which can't be denied. Gigg Lane has a capacity of 11,840. Lets say a concert at £30-£40 . Is £355,200-£473,600 or (££3:55M- £4:73 M a year we not going to get that) Add to that whatever They got for it becoming the JD Staduim, and thats lot more than we will raise.

Maybe Accrington have a chairman whose a "fan" and is willing to put money into the club knowing he won't get it back, while ours is a businessman first and foremost.

Exeter how they've managed to assemble a squad that just missed out out on the play off's I don't know. maybe we should ask themir board for tips.

I would love us to have money to spend but we 're not going to get it at this moment in time. I pointed out that Bury was a poor comparison , nothing more and I stick by that.

Unlike some I don't claim to have seen Pools books/have inside info about them so I can't really comment on them. Fact is we need to generate much more income then we have been otherwise we may find ourselves in the same position next season. How we do that, is another question, because we're not going to do it with just season ticket sales. Regardless of what we charge.

Bob a venue only gets a small percentage of ticket sales (or even an up front fee) and would generally rely on food and drink sales to make money from an event.

Also I doubt Gigg Lane is attracting acts you'd be paying £30-£40 a ticket to watch.

Oh how we all love a Bob calculation post
He crunches the numbers when we need them most
He is the man
With the masterplan
Oh how to run a team on the cold, awful, hateful north east coasttttttt.

Your in for a surprise, they've charging £33 a day or £60 for the weekend. I shocked by that price in all honesty

Even if a reformed Beatles, including the dead ones, played the Vic every night for a week the 1.6 million spent on 'admin fees' would soon eat into our cut and make it hard for us to compete with big clubs like Bury and Accrington.

The problem isn't low turnover compared to other clubs, the problem is too much of the turnover going out.

if Kens chosen political party for us to vote for is anything to go by, I would be amazed he if chose a band to play at the Vic that anyone would want to watch.

Think of the VAT.

Skrewdriver?

If I remember correctly, Bury borrowed £1m against the ground with an APR of more than 100%.

I would also like to know how the £3m turnover figure is made up.

Half a Shilling?

Those are more believable figures. Whatever we have to spend I hope it is spent well

Pack in talking sense Chip.