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One online paper isn't about to be intimidated.
http://gawker.com/what-is-charlie-hebdo-and-why-a-mostly-complete-histo-1677959168

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As for the extremists...... 'fuck 'em'.


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"A police source told Reuters that one of the three suspects had been identified because his identity card was left in the getaway car."

Surely not even the dumbest fucking extremist nutcase in the world would be so stupid as to leave his ID in the getaway car?
Sounds to me like a deliberate invitation to "come and get me so I can be martyred in a shoot-out on live TV".
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Don't much like the bloke, but Manuel Vals, the French PM gave an excellent speech on French TV last night stating the country's determination not to be hushed by the brutal acts of a few home-grown extremists. Fortunately, France treasures its freedom of expression above most things, and people are sufficiently savvy not to fall for the inevitable shite already coming from Marine Le Pen and her Nazi colleagues in the FN. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Hebdo
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Hope you're right there M Allez. One thing that endlessly shocks me here is the systematic harassment of young lads of North African descent by the Police Nationale, even in Toulouse which is a comparatively cosmopolitan city where the FN have never made much headway.

Add in the high youth unemployment, particularly among non-whites, the state's harsh/racist interpretation of secularism, a large Muslim population and the endless shit stirring of the FN and the potential for problems is huge.

I can't see many people arguing that shooting unfunny satirists is a good thing but there must be a lot of young Muslims who are keen to fight to improve their lot somehow and there are certainly plenty of racists who would be happy to get stuck in if the chance to present themselves as defenders of french values arose.


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Yep, nothing new to be seen here tbh.

Whilst Toulouse is fairly safe, I have to say one of the most potentially explosive atmospheres I ever felt in France was in Lille a couple of years ago. Compared to La Ville Rose, that place is a ticking bomb... sadx

Stay safe over there... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Hebdo
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Over here the BBC are doing my head desperately looking for balance, two sides to every story blah blah.

Fair enough, Muslims living in a democracy (here or France) have the 'right' to be offended by cartoonists taking the mick out of the Prophet. They also have to right to demonstrate their disapproval peacefully - but that's the limit of it.

Arguing that Islam is a special case and that their beliefs should be the respected to the extent of limiting other people's right to free speech is the thin end of the wedge.

The same 'special case' arguments are advanced in favour of permitting Sharia Law in the UK - a separate legal system for Muslims so that they can live according to Islamic principles adjudicated by their imams. No matter that in Muslim countries where the legal code is based on Sharia, non-Muslims are second class citizens. Nor that most of the the UK imams who preside over the administration of Sharia justice here have to be prodded into making any critical comment about honour killing, the abduction and forced marriage of young British-born Muslim girls and the industrial-scale grooming and prostituting of young white girls by Muslim men.

This country is way ahead of France in promoting respect for other cultures. But I'm afraid that we are a long way behind the French in understanding the absolute value of liberty and equality under a single (100% secular) legal code.


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The British mainstream media response to this has been utterly fucking shameful.

They're quick to round on a footballer who has done wrong but on the front page of Thursday's papers there were no Hebdo cartoons and I have seen none on any of the news channels either. Sky news rolled out a bloke saying that the killers were right to defend their religion and tomorrow at least 4 papers are leading with the scaremongering headline that Britain will be the next place to be attacked by these cowards.

It strikes me that the press/establishment wants us to cower in fear and wants us to remain silent about the fucking evil that is being spread by some very warped people in the name of a fucking kids story about sky fairy.

If you wish to believe in a sky fairy I defend your right to do that in your own way and in your own time, however I will never give up my right to mock you for doing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Hebdo
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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:
This country is way ahead of France in promoting respect for other cultures.


But not our own.


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All religion is fucking insane
People are surely not meant to live with beliefs that their ways are the only ways? Brainwashing of the masses takes many forms. Religion is still the favourite one, by a Lon way

These people are being manipulated sadly.

And they don't realise it

Everybody's true inner instinct would be towards being part of a global family

There are many forces preventing this.

I am almost resigned to the fact that mankind will destroy itself before there is harmony amongst people

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Hebdo
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I read that Imams have been preaching against violence in their prayer sessions since Wednesday.
I bet that puts an end to radicalism before next Tuesday. Jesus H. fucking Mohammad.

How many of them are telling their adherents they will burn in hell if they even think about killing in the name of Islam?
If they can believe all the other bullshit maybe they can believe that too.
Islam has to assume responsibility at some point. These scum are doing it in their name; it's not exactly a bloody secret.
Stop teling us it's a peaceful religion and just bloody DO SOMETHING for Allah's sake.

I'm not holding my breath though.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Hebdo
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Yep, just as has happened in the Middle East, as happened over here on 7/7, as happened in New York, as happened in Paris the other day, religion is being used as a smokescreen for committing acts of pure fucking evil. Hopefully, the worthless killers who emptied shots into the journos and policemen in Paris are getting filled with lead as we speak in the North of France.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Hebdo
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Chip Fireball wrote:
Maybe the British press aren't printing the cartoons because they are shit ? I haven't seen one yet thats anywhere near the level of the early Viz stuff.


Political satire in cartoon form is a long-established form of expression in France, and was a major catalyst behind the movements of 1968. Personally, I don't get it, but these cartoonists are followed like demi-gods in France, so their passing is receiving top billing. We really have no equivalent over here to compare against. Viz is different gravy...

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What brave heros of the jihadi these spineless twats are, hiding in a fucking printers shop. They'll be shaking like a shitting dog, waiting to be shot in the face. Absolute not nice people of the highest order.


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I'm not sure what relevance shitness has to the job in hand. Yes the cartoons are shit. Even those of us who've lived in France a long time think they're shit. We've never "got it" and we never will.
But we're still outraged.

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Spot on, Monty. For me, Charlie Hebdo always occupied that lower-shelf space in the marchand de presse which never got any of my attention, along with the likes of le canard enchaine and Hara-Kiri... sctatchinghead

...this by no means makes them worthy of a bullet or a bomb however. confised

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Chip Fireball wrote:
I was responding to someone being outraged that the British Press havent plastered cartoons all over their front pages as some sort of show of solidarity.

I think you can be outraged by whats happened without having to tweet hashtags, or post cartoons on your Facebook page : in fact I'd go so far as to say that tends to trivialise things. Its like we now measure the importance of everything by how its trending on Twitter.


Aye, a sad indictment on how many now live their lives...#lol etc...etc :roll:

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The best outcome is for them to be captured but the chances are they'll get the "martyrdom" they think they deserve.. In reality the only one real martyrs where those attacked they had the audacity to a stand up against and mock them by drawing pictures of their imaginary friend...

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Hebdo
PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:33 am 
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The British mainstream media response to this has been utterly fucking shameful.

They're quick to round on a footballer who has done wrong but on the front page of Thursday's papers there were no Hebdo cartoons and I have seen none on any of the news channels either. Sky news rolled out a bloke saying that the killers were right to defend their religion and tomorrow at least 4 papers are leading with the scaremongering headline that Britain will be the next place to be attacked by these cowards.

It strikes me that the press/establishment wants us to cower in fear and wants us to remain silent about the fucking evil that is being spread by some very warped people in the name of a fucking kids story about sky fairy.


If I ran a newspaper or a news channel, I wouldn't take it on myself to run cartoons that put staff in danger. I would instead think of a meaningful response (not 'remain silent') that didn't endanger lives.

Media is supposed to give news, not suppress it. We need to know who thinks the killers were 'right to support their religion'....surely that matters doesn't it? Reporting a view doesn't condone that view. I also want to know (as if we didn't know already) that this country is very likely about to be the victim of terrorist attacks.


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The Security Services say they've thousands of people on their radar, but until the people actually break the law, they can't be arrested. Then if they do break the law and serve their time, they have to be let out. Apparently they all laugh at us with out liberal laws.

When I first heard the news about the Charlie massacre, I felt so freaking angry I thought I'd explode.


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The Security Services say they've thousands of people on their radar, but until the people actually break the law, they can't be arrested. Then if they do break the law and serve their time, they have to be let out. Apparently they all laugh at us with out liberal laws.

When I first heard the news about the Charlie massacre, I felt so freaking angry I thought I'd explode.
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I wonder if they would try and get their old jobs back?

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It's exactly as I said earlier. These nuts left their ID in the car deliberately to trigger a police chase and shoot-out.
They're talking about being ready to die as martyrs and quite honestly I wish them every success. Can we choose the method?

I think it would be an excellent idea to place their coffins on public display in Place de la République*, just so everyone can venerate these glorious martyrs.

*Just below knob height, not in a glass case or owt.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:48 pm 
Not sure about the ID thing. Knowing who they were didn't actually help the police find them. Possibly the guy who gave himself up shopped them, and the ID story was an attempt to protect him from reprisals?

I agree about 'choosing the method' though. My method would include amputating their dicks so that the virgin 'reward' became redundant.


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Maybe, maybe not. I was under the impression they found the card before the guy gave himself up. I for one certainly wouldn't go to any lengths to protect him.

This 72 virgins thing has always baffled me. Haven't they realised it's 72 virgins who all say "No!"?

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This 72 virgins thing has always baffled me. Haven't they realised it's 72 virgins who all say "No!"?


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Just so I don't die ignorant I looked up the virgins thing. http://www.justislam.co.uk/product.php?products_id=216

And that's on a Muslim site by Muslims for Muslims. There's no promise of anything of the kind; in fact if you die when you are 90 you will be surrounded by 90-year olds.

Satan! Can I have a booking form please?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:36 pm 
Exactly. Terrorists make up all sorts of stuff to encourage each other to kill and hate. But they overlook the fact that the Prophet doesn't subscribe to any of it and that when they get to Heaven he's going to make them very, very sorry indeed. Definitely no virgins.


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Chip Fireball wrote:
Maybe the British press aren't printing the cartoons because they are shit ? I haven't seen one yet thats anywhere near the level of the early Viz stuff.


Possibly one of the most pathetic arguments I've seen.

Backed up by,

Chip Fireball wrote:
I was responding to someone being outraged that the British Press havent plastered cartoons all over their front pages as some sort of show of solidarity.

I think you can be outraged by whats happened without having to tweet hashtags, or post cartoons on your Facebook page : in fact I'd go so far as to say that tends to trivialise things. Its like we now measure the importance of everything by how its trending on Twitter.


The kind of thinly veiled personal insult the boards self appointed mouthpiece seems to favour.

Where did I suggest tweeting things, adding hastags or anything else?

The Charlie Hebdo covers being published would add some context for the wider public who have never heard of the magazine, I didn't suggest they only showed ones that were offensive to Muslims what about the ones attacking the French, the Brits, the Americans, the Jews, the Catholic Church etc etc?

Does this look like the cartoon work of a magazine that was against the whole Islamic world?

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But no the fear of offending one small sect of one relgious groups leads all decisions in modern Britain.

But as long as you can feel a bit superior then crack on ignoring the threat posed by extremism and the threat posed by refusing to stand and stare defiantly in the face of these deluded lunatics.


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You believe showing pictures/cartoons that offend all races/religions will somehow help?

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No.

I believe nobody has the right to not be offended and I believe that showing the world that Charlie Hebdo satirises without regards for belief would show just how unjust and barbaric these people had been in their actions.

The media needs to not focus on the fear that these people can create but instead work together to belittle them as no more than a bunch of brainwashed idiots.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:09 pm 
The situation now is that there are two separate hostage situations. The one on the edge of the town seems to have the proper police there and the one in the centre appears to be some blokes they put a uniform on and gave a few air rifles to.

How on Earth have they let it get to this point? They've already killed so as soon as you get a clear shot kill them, there's no other outcome other than hostages die.

The Team America approach is the only way to end this with minimal fatalities.


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Actually scrub that, 3 hostage situations, one in the Trocadero now.


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The situation now is that there are two separate hostage situations. The one on the edge of the town seems to have the proper police there and the one in the centre appears to be some blokes they put a uniform on and gave a few air rifles to.

How on Earth have they let it get to this point? They've already killed so as soon as you get a clear shot kill them, there's no other outcome other than hostages die.

The Team America approach is the only way to end this with minimal fatalities.



Were you watching the bbcs coverage? It showed the French police trying to walk up a small grass verge, it was clearly a bit muddy and they all kept slipping down.

Over and over again.

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The situation now is that there are two separate hostage situations. The one on the edge of the town seems to have the proper police there and the one in the centre appears to be some blokes they put a uniform on and gave a few air rifles to.

How on Earth have they let it get to this point? They've already killed so as soon as you get a clear shot kill them, there's no other outcome other than hostages die.

The Team America approach is the only way to end this with minimal fatalities.



Were you watching the bbcs coverage? It showed the French police trying to walk up a small grass verge, it was clearly a bit muddy and they all kept slipping down.

Over and over again.


Yep, truly pathetic!


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I haven't seen the Western world as gobsmacked as this since 2001.
Different people will have different ways of expressing their sickness at what happened, but I think we're all united in our outrage.
Maybe we can direct our fury at the situation that allowed this to happen rather than at each other. What do yous think?

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Thankfully the one at the Trocadero is a false alarm.


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The Paris hostage incident has ended with all hostages freed and the gun man dead. My prayers are with the Policewoman who was not so fortunate (killed at point blank behind the back). I fear more days like this are ahead sadly.

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The Paris hostage incident has ended with all hostages freed and the gun man dead. My prayers are with the Policewoman who was not so fortunate (killed at point blank behind the back). I fear more days like this are ahead sadly.


At least 4 of them are dead sadly.


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.....Four hostages killed in Paris Kosher supermarket. Shabbat begins tonight, that gun man knew what an impact this depraved act would have.

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