TMH 2014

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9873

Its a classic case of talk is cheap.

horden · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:51 pm

GeoffcN wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

To be fair to Russ as it stands the football club is owned by 2 people, him and Harris and neither of them have said otherwise. The only slightly misleading thing he may have suggested in his programme notes was that there was funds to invest, and there may well be money due in from the sale of James and Baldwin plus some cash from the cup game and gate receipts from the Christmas games.

Harris clearly stated as soon as he took over the club wouldn't be spending large sums on players nor would it be signing players on contracts they couldn't honour if we got relegated. In the general wankfest that was going on at the time certain people chose to overlook this. There were also a bunch of happy clappers going round telling everyone the new owners have £3 million to invest- something nobody at the club has ever said.

It was Moore who stated he was considering signing Chad Evans (something the club immediately and publicly denied), it was Moore ( allegedly ) who made bold pronouncements at a press briefing about the players he had done deals for and named them, and its him swanning about in his 4 wheel drive looking at players he cant afford when he probably should be on the training ground working with the ones he has got.

As far as I'm concerned, until Green and Harris start spending money I will assume they have none, that way I wont feel let down. I'm also resigned to us going down, which I have been since October, even if a tiny part of me still thinks we can perform a miracle and get out of this.

And no doubt the club men will be on in a bit to call me worse than shit, simply for having a realistic viewpoint.

Club man reporting for duty Mr Fireball Sir.
You may be surprised that I actually agree with most of what you said.
However although pleased to see the departure of IOR who had clearly run out of interest and probably money, I was cautions about the new owners. Cautiously optimistic maybe but certainly not enjoying the "wankfest" as you so politely put it. They have made promises and we need to see these being kept. Who are they and why Hartlepool are questions no one seems to have had any answers to. Hopefully answers will be forthcoming.

Secondly although Russ Green looks as if he has been made a Director of the new company he is certainly not the owner.

I am an optimistic sort of chap, and my glass is usually half full (surprise) whereas many on here seem to come about this from a more pessimistic stand point.

The situation at the club is critical, things need to change and quickly if we are to survive in League 2. The new owners have only been in control a very short while. I am prepared to give them a chance to show their intentions - whether that will ultimately result in relegation or not. It may do given the current situation. The coming weeks/months will show us whether they have the club at heart - or not. Let's get behind them for the time being at least.

This fooking club of ours cracks me up. It is seriously starting to affect my mental well-being. Only the good lord knows what fate awaits us, but there is a good chance its going to be something a lot worse than we have endured during the last 5 or 6 seasons. Why oh fookin why did my dad take me to pools in the early 70s, what an idiot! sadx

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 887

If we take Mansfield as an example at the moment to Compare.
Pools are a better supported Club
Lets look at them they have signed Brown, Kee, Ravenhill and probably Raynes shortley
We are looking at Slovenians from Cowdenbeath for fucks sake i think this tells you everything you need to know about the future of HUFC............

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9873

I,m sure PARMO has a crystal ball he seems to see everthing coming before the rest of us.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:16 pm

poolie wrote:

If we take Mansfield as an example at the moment to Compare.
Pools are a better supported Club
Lets look at them they have signed Brown, Kee, Ravenhill and probably Raynes shortley
We are looking at Slovenians from Cowdenbeath for fucks sake i think this tells you everything you need to know about the future of HUFC............

Mansfield clearly don't know the VAT implications of these deals. At least we are doing things by the book. Long live FFP. Long live IOR!

Wommers · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:30 pm

Garry Gibson had to spend some serious money back in the 89/90 season to keep us up, 40k for Allon, similar about for Baker I think, plus others that Cyril Knowles wanted. What does 40k equate to these days?? If TMH are not prepared to spend anything then we are obviously doomed.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9873

Why has it took till this week to find out russ green is a director as well as a ce.
This takeover is not looking as good as first thought.
Hope i,m wrong but the future looks bleak.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

He was only made director in december.

Grayhoundend · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:13 pm **Posts:** 7762

Being made a Director means feckall

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

Chip Fireball wrote:

Lol, love it.

"The situation at the club is critical, things need to change and quickly if we are to survive in League 2."

Followed by the same old " dont panic, give them more time, its only been a week, month, year, 5 years "

I haven't called for protests, demonstrations, etc, you crack on and give Russ as long as you want to deliver. The team wont stay up without serious investment, and there clearly isn't going to be any.

The only thing that shocks me is that people still believe the horseshit excuses for them not signing anyone apart from kids on loan.

Mr Fireball - did you not read the bit where I said that I agreed with you or is it that you just have to have a go at anything I say.

To repeat the only things I questioned were your comments about people getting too excited about the fact new owners had stepped in without being clear about who they were and what their intentions were. I certainly did not reach this level of hysteria and am still waiting to get some answers.
The other thing I pointed out was that RG may be a Director but he is not an owner of the club.
Otherwise I repeat I agreed with your post which was for a change quite realistic.

However in your recent post you seem to suggest that it is time to panic again. Even if they ploughed a couple of million into the team straight away would players of the right calibre want to come. That is a serious question. If they did this then would it still be enough to save the season. Who knows, perhaps, but increasingly perhaps not.

Murray panicked and brought in some crap - lets hope Moore does not follow that example.
I am as desperate for us to get out of this as anyone else but unless you can produce some sort of magic want I'm not sure what else can be done at the moment.

IF THM Ltd show themselves to be acting against the best interests of the club and it's supporters then we can all call them or demonstrate or whatever. All I am saying is that they have not yet had time in which to be properly judged.

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

Wommers wrote:

Garry Gibson had to spend some serious money back in the 89/90 season to keep us up, 40k for Allon, similar about for Baker I think, plus others that Cyril Knowles wanted. What does 40k equate to these days?? If TMH are not prepared to spend anything then we are obviously doomed.

And look where that got us! If only it was so simple.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

GeoffcN wrote:

Wommers wrote:

Garry Gibson had to spend some serious money back in the 89/90 season to keep us up, 40k for Allon, similar about for Baker I think, plus others that Cyril Knowles wanted. What does 40k equate to these days?? If TMH are not prepared to spend anything then we are obviously doomed.

And look where that got us! If only it was so simple.

Aye I'd hate to think we'd stay up then get promoted next year :laugh:

To be fair Baker and Allon were already here.

The signings were Bennyworth, Ollson, Tupling and Barry Siddle on loan. All were experienced players, no kids on loan.

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

PJPoolie wrote:

GeoffcN wrote:

Wommers wrote:

Garry Gibson had to spend some serious money back in the 89/90 season to keep us up, 40k for Allon, similar about for Baker I think, plus others that Cyril Knowles wanted. What does 40k equate to these days?? If TMH are not prepared to spend anything then we are obviously doomed.

And look where that got us! If only it was so simple.

Aye I'd hate to think we'd stay up then get promoted next year :laugh:

To be fair Baker and Allon were already here.

The signings were Bennyworth, Ollson, Tupling and Barry Siddle on loan. All were experienced players, no kids on loan.

To the High Court in London facing a winding up order I believe, with Gibson being hounded out of town.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

That was four years later, and was a result of him overspending in a higher league rather than bringing in a experienced manager and letting him sign a few players in key positions to help us stay up in 1989, you know what is required now.....

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Ah come on pj. Its much better to just accept our fate.

everyone else does when they are in danger of relegation.

and giving trials to various players is fine too.

its not like we are cast adrift and running out of time or owt.

nows not the time to gamble and offer good wages.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

But chip that had nowt to do with russ. It was all that evil man hodcrofts doing.

not sure who russ can blame now though.

horden · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:03 pm

GeoffcN wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

Lol, love it.

"The situation at the club is critical, things need to change and quickly if we are to survive in League 2."

Followed by the same old " dont panic, give them more time, its only been a week, month, year, 5 years "

I haven't called for protests, demonstrations, etc, you crack on and give Russ as long as you want to deliver. The team wont stay up without serious investment, and there clearly isn't going to be any.

The only thing that shocks me is that people still believe the horseshit excuses for them not signing anyone apart from kids on loan.

Mr Fireball - did you not read the bit where I said that I agreed with you or is it that you just have to have a go at anything I say.

To repeat the only things I questioned were your comments about people getting too excited about the fact new owners had stepped in without being clear about who they were and what their intentions were. I certainly did not reach this level of hysteria and am still waiting to get some answers.
The other thing I pointed out was that RG may be a Director but he is not an owner of the club.
Otherwise I repeat I agreed with your post which was for a change quite realistic.

However in your recent post you seem to suggest that it is time to panic again. Even if they ploughed a couple of million into the team straight away would players of the right calibre want to come. That is a serious question. If they did this then would it still be enough to save the season. Who knows, perhaps, but increasingly perhaps not.

Murray panicked and brought in some crap - lets hope Moore does not follow that example.
I am as desperate for us to get out of this as anyone else but unless you can produce some sort of magic want I'm not sure what else can be done at the moment.

IF THM Ltd show themselves to be acting against the best interests of the club and it's supporters then we can all call them or demonstrate or whatever. All I am saying is that they have not yet had time in which to be properly judged.

Geoff- with ref to Chip, thanks for taking the weight off my shoulders :dance:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Everytime I see 'TMH' I think someone is referring to me.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:43 pm

Wommers wrote:

Garry Gibson had to spend some serious money back in the 89/90 season to keep us up, 40k for Allon, similar about for Baker I think, plus others that Cyril Knowles wanted. What does 40k equate to these days?? If TMH are not prepared to spend anything then we are obviously doomed.

I thought Baker arrived on a free from Carlisle one summer. As a centre half.

And that Allon came from Swansea after a loan spell for either nowt or next to nowt. If we paid any more than £10k for him I'd be very surprised.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:45 pm

The money Cyril spent was, I think, a combined fee of about £6k to Scarborough for Bennyworth and Olsson. The rest were freebies.

parmo · **Posted:** Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:29 pm

Proper football management and hardwork was the order of the day from Sir Cyril. Not a day's work in this lot

Wommers · **Posted:** Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:20 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

Wommers wrote:

Garry Gibson had to spend some serious money back in the 89/90 season to keep us up, 40k for Allon, similar about for Baker I think, plus others that Cyril Knowles wanted. What does 40k equate to these days?? If TMH are not prepared to spend anything then we are obviously doomed.

I thought Baker arrived on a free from Carlisle one summer. As a centre half.

And that Allon came from Swansea after a loan spell for either nowt or next to nowt. If we paid any more than £10k for him I'd be very surprised.

I definitely saw the transfer figures somewhere. I'll have to have a hunt about on 'tinternet. I thought it was quite an eye-opening sum of money to spend, especially back then. Allon had just got Swansea promoted the season before.

Wommers · **Posted:** Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:26 pm

Wommers wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

Wommers wrote:

Garry Gibson had to spend some serious money back in the 89/90 season to keep us up, 40k for Allon, similar about for Baker I think, plus others that Cyril Knowles wanted. What does 40k equate to these days?? If TMH are not prepared to spend anything then we are obviously doomed.

I thought Baker arrived on a free from Carlisle one summer. As a centre half.

And that Allon came from Swansea after a loan spell for either nowt or next to nowt. If we paid any more than £10k for him I'd be very surprised.

I definitely saw the transfer figures somewhere. I'll have to have a hunt about on 'tinternet. I thought it was quite an eye-opening sum of money to spend, especially back then. Allon had just got Swansea promoted the season before.

must have been pissed when I read Allon's and Baker's Wiki pages, we did get em for nowt.

But doesn't dissuade from the fact we need to spend to stay up.

billythefisherman · **Joined:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:40 am **Posts:** 388

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

Everytime I see 'TMH' I think someone is referring to me.

yloop · **Posted:** Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:41 pm

MadJohn wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

The money Cyril spent was, I think, a combined fee of about £6k to Scarborough for Bennyworth and Olsson. The rest were freebies.

Freebies and loans. He got Jason Priestley on loan from Liverpool, and signed Bennyworth, Olsson and Tupling. He added Garry Macdonald a little later, and signed Barry Siddall when Priestley's loan ended

Priestley went on to great things in Beverly Hills 90210.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

I am always a 'glass half full' kind of guy but I just don't get why you would take over a football club bottom of the league, bound for relegation and then not re-invest when Russ has already said the relegation will cost the club £750k.

Okay, still a few weeks before the end of the transfer window but we need quality now banghead

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9873

The new owners TMH still waiting for clearence from the football league.
Hope this is the only reason why they havent given ronnie the funds he was supposed to get.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

If that's really the case do we think it would have taken so long for a big clubs owners to be ratified? Great that they are taking nearly 2 months one of which is the last month to make transfers

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Who needs FFP when you have "fit and proper" ..

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

There's always something

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:32 pm

Dalton'sHaircut wrote:

If that's really the case do we think it would have taken so long for a big clubs owners to be ratified? Great that they are taking nearly 2 months one of which is the last month to make transfers

I know we all want the takeover ratified but adding a month onto the procedure isn't going to speed it up. TMH took over on 16th December 2014. One month ago to the day.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Plus that month has included the entire Christmas holidays.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

If this is the reason we can't sign anyone then a simple Statement is all it needs.

I don't even know the chairmans name, he is quieter than Ken and he babbled on about communication when he took over and about getting one of Russ' lap dogs on some panel.

Nothing has changed.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Nothing has changed as virtually the same people are running the show.

Russ

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:29 pm

Some nice noises early on but it's went canny quiet. Haway Peter give us an update, please don't do what Ken had done and told us in riddles via his programme notes.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9873

Next home match in two weeks on last day of transfer window.
No doubt the clearence from the football league for the takeover will happen a week later.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Yubep wrote:

Nothing has changed as virtually the same people are running the show.

Russ

Your Russ???

Tree

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9873

TMH OUT

Out of order for not signing messi n ronaldo they had us right over eh eh eh eh !

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9873

Its looking like this takeover was just a sham to save hodcrofts arse.
Is he still under investigation about the ffp about the james n baldwin money by that journalist.

Russ green sam collins still here even ronnies said the defenders havent been coached properly. Ronnie didnt bring his own number two in. Was sam forced onto him as part of getting the job.
Im with parmo that we should of got the boxing promoter in because these new owners are a joke.

Its obvious they havent got a pot to piss in.
But they do have a contingency plan if we go down i mean when we go down .

I hope its let the boxing promoter take over.
Dingaling round one!

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Yes yes, but you havent answered the only important question:

Whats the dress code for Carlisle?

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

May I suggest Romans (Nero "fiddling while wome burned" in particular).. Or rose tinted spectacle's..

LoyalMonkey1908 · **Joined:** Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:41 pm **Posts:** 254

New banner is superb.

Andy Dibbles Gloves wrote:

Whats the dress code for Carlisle?

You go as Russ and I'll go as Ken? That leaves Simpson, Harris, Murrall and Tonna left, no hair pulling now boys, there's plenty to go around.

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:54 pm

Dear Russ

All it would take would be a call to the Fail or a message on this and other boards - just tell us how it is?

Has the 'deal' been concluded? What can you tell us about the 'deal'? Is there any money? Does anyone really care?

When might we hear something from Ronnie, other than his repeated slagging of his players (and Ronnie - they were there when you signed up - so, a bad workman blames.......etc, etc)?

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Really? I think the last time Ronnie slagged the players off was after the Morecambe game -about 3 weeks ago?

But carry on - unlike some other deluded newbies on here your post is bang 'on message.' Everything else is shit so the new manager must be shit too. Well done you!

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:

(and Ronnie - they were there when you signed up - so, a bad workman blames.......etc, etc)?

I know this one...tools that are inherited and genuinely are shite?

billythefisherman · **Joined:** Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:40 am **Posts:** 388

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

Really? I think the last time Ronnie slagged the players off was after the Morecambe game -about 3 weeks ago?

But carry on - unlike some other deluded newbies on here your post is bang 'on message.' Everything else is shit so the new manager must be shit too. Well done you!

you didn't hear him after Saturday then?!

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:30 am

billythefisherman wrote:

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

Really? I think the last time Ronnie slagged the players off was after the Morecambe game -about 3 weeks ago?

But carry on - unlike some other deluded newbies on here your post is bang 'on message.' Everything else is shit so the new manager must be shit too. Well done you!

you didn't hear him after Saturday then?!

Or read the Echo yesterday?

Deluded newbie - aye, since October 2012

On message? If asking for a simple statement to stop the rumours is 'on message', then you are clearly correct. So, Russ, have Administrators been appointed?

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

You mean these comments in the Echo?

"“In the first-half we started well and Scotty Flinders hasn’t had a shot to save,’’ reflected Moore. “But you cannot defend the way we defended and that’s been the story of the season. It doesn’t matter if it’s me in charge or Joe Bloggs, whoever – we have all said the same things after games and you can’t defend like we did.

“They were sloppy goals, the second goal the ball is played between the full-back and winger and the cross comes in, free header down and striker is all on his own to score. We can’t defend, for all the possession we have had.

“It’s nine points again, we know we need to go on a run and I’ve got to get manager of the month. That’s what we need and if that happens then we have a chance.

“But I think we can take this first-half from this. For 70 minutes last week we were OK, for 45 minutes here we were decent, but how many times have I said that we can’t play 90 minutes.’’

Looks reasonable to me - no criticism of individual players by name, which is what most people would call "slagging off the players." But he does talk about doing extra work with Scott Fenwick to try to make him a better player. Shocking!

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