But it seems TMH 2014 is Stephen Murrall, Seebeck87 Director who is the sole director of blue husky.

The man who almost took Swindon out of business.

People are saying he's a 'character'.

But this is a rumour. Make of it what you will.

What source?

Well if it's only alleged to be a rumour it probably isn't one

Murrall and Harris are partners in a Phoebus business company going by google?

It the takeover gets 'ratified' by the football league, then that's fine by me....we were heading into oblivion with Ken & IOR !

So, the M is Murall, the H is Harris... who is the T?

Turner.

It does look very much like he's involved. TMH 2014 Limited and Blue Husky Limited have the same registered address. Both are shell companies but too new to have published hirearchy or parent companies. On the 5th November Peter Harris resigned as a director of Blue Husky and Stephen Murrall was appointed.

Either way, Seebeck86 are still in control of Swindon Town but Murrall was never a director of Seebeck. My guess is that he's an advisor based on his past experience with Swindon.

Something does feel strange about all this, but the worse case scenario is we are still where we were 24 hours ago, things couldn't really be much worse

Chip, all that has to happen is that Dove/IOR/IOR2 or IOR3 (the other one) issue a credit note for the debt and its gone. No one has to hand over a case of money, its just a journaled transaction and Bobs your aunties husband.

KH has walked away with cash. Real pound notes that he can invest in one of the other businesses or buy a villa in Marbella.

What is clear is that all these companies and directorships are listed at companies house. They are not in the Virgin Islands or some other tax haven. All is easily checkable. I wouldn't get too hung up on who's who, there may be a myriad of reasons why there is a company structure.

You missed the bit about these companies being formed six weeks ago, long before the Guardian were even aware of it. This really got going after the Blyth match, takeover discussions were underway long before that.

As long as they make good on the targets they've set I don't care where they've came from. The new chairman seems to have the right attitude and they've brought in a good manager.

Let's see what unfolds. If they don't spend anything in January and we're losing games then we're in exactly the same boat we were with IOR.

If you want to dive right into it, Jed McCrory was the guy behind Seebeck 87. Murrall was the General Manager of Swindon while McCrory was the Chairman. The bloke who bought Hereford United Tommy Agombar was involved in Seebeck 87 too.
http://www.herefordtimes.com/sport/theb ... e_Council/

So where's it been published that Murall is part of TMH? Or are we just putting it together as he's been an associate of Harris?

About that... it *might* make interesting viewing.

Have you seen how many Seebeck companies there are? Friggin hundreds!

I took the time to google all companies and names associated with our new chairman and it is shocking, they have all resigned from lots of companies and the firms are all worth a quid each lol ffs. But heres hoping. Please god let this come good.

Any company formed in the last 18 months is worth nothing as far as the credit agencies are concerned unless it purposely files accounts or financial information early. There are lots of genuine reasons to form a batch of companies and they'll all be worth zilch on paper until accounts are submitted.

http://www.phoebusfsl.com/about-us.html

The new chairman.

Is Annie hutsby the new club shop girl?

:D

Yes but there clearly was movement before that.

Incidentally, Peter Harris has been a director of five companies in his entire life and none of them have gone bust. These are as follows:

PHOEBUS ENTERTAINMENT LIMITED - closed
Triple Aitch Limited - Current Director
Phoebus Funding Solutions Limited (recent credit rating increase) - Current Director
Phoebus (Banbury) Ltd - Current Director
Blue Husky Limited - Retired.


Stephen Murrall has been a director of 17 companies. None of them show anything derogarory except a proposal to strike off a dormant company. That is not how it sounds, it just means shut down. No debt incidentally and other businesses of Murrells are very healthy financially.

These guys seem to be the front men, there is more people to come out from behind the scenes including the main man.

As long as the main man isn't Hodcroft !

All we can have is cautious optimism , but I think it's a good thing that people are going in with a realistic or some would say skeptics attitude, and hopefully there is room for tough targeted questions

All of these blokes seem to be based out of Banbury - this is going to get complicated. McCrory bought Banbury United where one of his partners was Perry Deakin, the bloke who almost took Port Vale out of business. Deakin now has something to do with Bury. Murrall owns the company posted above with Pools new chairman Harris, Murrall was GM at Swindon when McCrory took them over. McCrory and Murrall also have something to do with Tommy Agombar who featured in that Hereford video posted on here recently.

Interesting read about Some of these blokes : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=uk

Hopefully it's all nothing but these names are all linked together and they've all worked together in some way so it's fair to be cynical.

I might sound really cynical here, but in my opinion very few people who make a lot of money do it entirely honestly and ethically. And as Mr I says, there are loads of reasons for having lots of companies.

The new gadgies taking over may well have very shady pasts, but then what did anyone ever get to know about IOR/Ken?

As long as we aren't funded by drugs/slavery/paedo money then I'm not too worried.

I couldn't care less how we're funded as long as the money exists. That's one thing that worries me. Running up debts in the clubs name then doing a runner is very worrying. Like I said hopefully I'm worrying over nothing but too many football clubs have been taken to the cleaners and some of the people who have done that kind of thing are linked to the person we now have as chairman.

Hopefully the Guardian investigation will continue including into this strange sale, if there is nothing of interest- great

I still can't see why anyone would take on a club, managerless, rooted to the bottom of the league, embarrassingly knocked out of the cup at home by a non league club and have a team of substandard players. All as it seems in a matter of days.

I doubt it was in a matter of days. Just because we were not aware of what has been happening doesn't mean it hasn't been going on for some time.

like IOR did in 97...?
We've shouted for change and got change...... and in just over 12 hours are picking holes in it. I haven't s clue what the futures holds, but let's give it a chance or are we going to embark on a permanent cycle of rejection till the perfect owner turns up and passes muster...?

Do you honestly think this happened 'in a matter of days' seriously?

I'm not picking holes, it's just after 55 years I am a bit cautious. I would be absolutely made up if this comes off and is as successful as we ALL hope but lets see what happens in the weeks/months to come

We faced very few options which were
1. go out of the league with a whimper under IOR
2. go bust and drop down to the Conference North
3. go bust and drop down to the Conference North and try for fans ownership
4. find a white knight to buy out IOR

We have got option 4 - thank fcuk for that

One thing we do know is that TMH are not asset strippers - we have no assets (ground or players)
They have started by saying all the right things about investment/staying in the league/talking to fans
They have appointed the experienced manager we wanted

The experience of the last few years will keep us vigilant on finances etc and we will have a pretty good idea by the end of January whether they mean to deliver on their promises. If these guys have been around other clubs before so what - hopefully they will have learnt a few things. They now have control at the Vic. We don't know how long they will be around but while they are here lets get behind the club. If they sell up and make a profit in two or three years time so what - we will owe them a huge thanks. If they are in for the longer haul that's even better.

Hopefully we can have some interviews on the OS with these guys (free to all and not just Poolsworld subscribers) and maybe we will all feels a little easier about our new owners.

New owners and Manager talking to BBC Tees today.

Only time will tell whether TMH are the real deal, it does no harm to keep an eye on them and check up - at the same time I'm not about to say chase them out simply because there's not a lot of history to go on. Murrall certainly has some links there, but he'd also left Swindon before there most recent shenanigans regarding ownership so it's a case of wait and see for me there.

One of the things about Football at the moment at many levels is that Club Ownership is often a minefield partly because of the sort of sums involved. One of the reasons Harold Hornsey sold out was that he realised that even he - a multi-millionaire - didn't have the sort of money needed to keep the club going for an extended period in the Football League; you don't need a Lottery Winner these days, you need someone with tens of millions that doesn't mind losing a chunk of it most seasons. Hence why someone like Duncan Bannatyne won't come near any club with a ten foot bargepole.

Despite this, people still look to get involved in club ownership, and that to be honest is a source of continual amazement to me. Other than the top few clubs in the country, with a sometimes worldwide following, there is little realistic prospect of any real money to be made or trophies to be won. Sometimes there are other reasons such as property speculation, personal publicity, or in some cases probably washing some dirty money. Sometimes (as thought with IOR) it can present tax advantages that offset the losses against profits elsewhere.

There's enough shady characters and outright nutters come through clubs in the last few years that I don't think anyone should be surprised if there's digging going on. Then again, you look at Pools and there's few real assets to strip and no strong evidence of past malpractice from the new owners. Their moves so far (Moore, but also reducing ticket prices for the Festive Period games, talking about engaging with the fans) have been positive - unless something seriously worrying comes up, they've at least got the right to see if they can walk the walk as well as they've talked the talk.

As others have said, given the (non-)assets they've bought, they can't get up to that much mischief.
The worst that can happen is they move the ground to Harrogate, change the name to Harrogate Pools, change the strip to red, then go on to win the Premiership.

They're still folk on that Facebook page holding on hope that it's the Peter Harris worth £300m.

He might well be but the only public records that people have examined are the assets of a couple of shell companies.

Lets start looking into the positives.
Under Ior we were heading for Oblivion and they will not have just given pools away i reckon a lot of money has already changed hands on the Deal for it to Happen.
When clubs change Ownership the Football League have got to Sanction the New owners Credibility and when this is completed and agreed a Bond is paid by the New Owners to the Football League.
So we got what we wanted New Owners and a New Manager what more do you want ................

Not sure about the white knight bit, but would say definately the best of 4 bad choices!!

It does seem like he'd been part of trying to make Swindon more professional behind the scenes:
http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/ne ... e_Murrall/

Nothing formal about whether he'll be involved with Pools, but he clearly knows Harris well from Phoebus, so should be someone he can refer to for advice.

As usual the only person talking sense on here is Mr I. The vast majority of everyone else just likes to make themselves look like they know what they are on about.

Oh no


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It looks like the wheels have well and truely fell off....

Indeed, ffs.

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Everything I posted was based on information freely available on the internet.

Is it a real rumour....or one of those "A bloke down the pub said" rumour?

You don't want to be listening to rumours Mr Drago, the official website is the place to go for all the real news about what's happening at HUFC.

I just did. Apparently Pools have youth team players called Varge and Skidmore.

Not a lot of people know that.