Agreeing with the clandestine approach. We need to do something. Martyr like continuation of attending and supporting has now become futile to the point that those still doing so are like addicts of some sort. They need weaning off their addiction and take a more useful stance in getting rid of these owners

'Take a more'

Surely you mean 'Take a way'!!!

Someone please ban this cvnt. Pure trolling

Gone.

Cheers John. I have no idea what is wrong with him. How can we all not be as one at this time is beyond me. A friend of IOR is an enemy of Hartlepool United

I cannot believe the patience the vast majority of our fans are showing towards ior.
ONE banner v bury and a few hodcroft out chants v carlisle york n newport.
And now some fans saying give hodcroft one last chance..

If thats the case then there should be a massive u turn v plymouth when the full ground shud be voicing there anger at ior.

HODCROFT OUT

Hodcroft has more than his fair share of last chances.
Get rid.
NOW.

Agreed, get the 'lovely lovely person' out now.

It would be nice if he was as disposable as he thinks the likes of Paul Murray is but he isn't, we are stuck with Hodcroft and IOR. So it's not as simple unfortunately as saying 'get rid' is it?

We could bombard IOR with conplaints about the way Hodctoft is destroying everything good about the club, we could bombard Hodcroft with requests for answers. But they are one and same thing aren't they?

I personally still think the first action should be to approach the club with the questions that were outlined in that meeting last week and see if they get an acceptable response.

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Everyone has a weak spot.
But I do think we've spent too much time trying to address the matter in a rational way. Even angry protests don't inspire me with much confidence.

That's why I think a good investigative journalist might come in handy

Craig hopes going to be doing a piece on pools in the mail over the coming weeks, bit of national bad press might not sit well with ken.

Every little helps.

does anybody know one?

Ahem.....I seem to remember M. Toulouse saying he had contacts in journalism.

'Angry protests' can be a two edged sword to be used against the protesters....don't forget most fans don't want to know so all you'll do is split opinions... you have to find common ground or you make those in charge the more acceptable option. Most people don't like chaos despite what some might think.... you have to shine a light on things...don't confront... undermine.

Hodcroft seems to hate any bad publicity so the higher profile a protest the better, national newspapers like Hopes putting questions to him and getting a no comment would be telling

Also someone like Conn in the Guardian linking this all back to IOR and how our accounts have deteriorated would make a great article

Not my sort of thing these protests but I just want to say I think the way forward as some are suggesting is through putting him in a position that he has to answer questions to defend himself and his position at the club and IOR. THE WORD IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD.

How are we supposed to get hodcroft to answer questions?
After the meeting last week he was given a letter to answer questions about the future of our club.

He was also invited by radio tees to go on the football programme during the week to answer about the clubs demise and future but declined the offer.

The reason for protests is to get a reaction hopefully for the better.
If u do nothing and accept our current demise then nothing will happen.

Lets at least try and shame hodcroft into some answers.
Protests might not always work but they will make you feel a lot better by trying to do something about the situation.

HODCROFT OUT AGAIN!

What reaction do you consider as a victory? The fine we'd incur for a pitch invasion? The media crucifixion for violence and hooliganism? The laughable toilet collection of protesters at the last big moment?

I despise ken. More than you will know. But what the hell do you think you'll achieve?

And what will you achieve squawking and flapping?

What makes you think I'm not trying? There are ways and means. Some of the shite suggested on here is laughable. We'd look idiotic and Ken would be about as bothered as he is about the political wrangling of Kenya.

You've got to play him at his own game. He is subtle. Patient. Do the same.

Be patient? We're almost at the point of no return for fucks sake.

You don't need to impress that upon me. Believe me.

But ken can ignore this shit all day.

Your not real.

I'm sure we are open to suggestions bb. What WOULD work?

I thought this 'lovely lovely person' was banned??

Or maybe I have a job and a life away from here...maybe...

Banned for disagreeing with people? What are we? Four years old?

Do you understand the concept of a forum and the necessity to posit differing opinions?

I despise Ken. I don't disagree that he is a cancer that needs a cure. But what some people are proposing wouldn't hurt Ken, just the people who have to do his bidding. The world isn't black and white.

Bloody hell.

There are a number of things which the supporters of the club can do , although they might be too little too late. First of all we must start fund raising for the time when Hodcroft departs. We have to show him that we are quite capable of managing without his poisonous presence. Ideas please.
We need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Hodcroft. We should all write to our local councillors demanding that the council refuse to sell the Victoria Park to I.O.R. unless they pay the value of the ground as determined by the district valuer. We need to annoy Hodcroft/Green at every opportunity. Complain to the council about the approaches to the Millhouse side of the ground. It is the clubs responsibility to make sure that approaches are safe and do not break health and safety rules. Ask the council if I.O.R. have permission to use the Mill House side of the ground as a car park on match days. If they have permission complain that it is dangerous and an accident waiting to happen. If they don't have permission then the council must take action. Let's make life as uncomfortable as possible for them . It might not have any effect but at least we will feel better.

Nice one Corner Flag, we need to do everything to get rid of IOR.

Has he gone now?

Too many art galleries n train stations to visit first chip, see if you can get round to it after Christmas


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Your fund raising idea is sound, though would be best under a structured supporters group organisation rather than a fans website. Some people are twitchy handing over cash to people they haven't met.
My advice would also be to have a stated purpose for the fund (with plan B, plan C, etc) in order to ring-fence its future use. It's surprising how many calls on that money you'll receive. And you will not know when it's needed - 6 months, 12 months, 5 years . . . or the kind of circumstances which present themselves, but at least you would be prepared

we definitely need to ring fence a fund, lodged with solicitors or whatever, unless we have a bank account with multiple signatures required for fund release etc... . The Corner Flag could be a central place to hand over cash donations , whereby a receipt could be given to the donor... then everything logged in to the bank account with the name and address of the donor etc etc... obviously it will be easier to wire the money in.....with electronic receipts/ confirmations etc....we definitely 100% need to set this up and soon. If (when) we are relegated, HUFC will only be accepted into the Conference if a £500k bond is lodged with the Football Conference board. They retain this money every season that the club is in the Conference, should the club get into difficulty and money is needed to pay any debts the club incurs during the course of a season.

No club can start in the Conference unless this money is available and handed over to the Conference. If any is used it has to be reinstated back up to the £500k before the start of the next season.

Wrexham WST raised this money inside 3 months, surely a one off achievement - we have to look at this NOW

You've actually banned Bearded Beast, or at least made it impossible for him to sign in? I can't see what he's done except put an alternative point of view.

In fact he's said little that others haven't said, including me, PJ, and Snowy. maybe you should ban us, too?

He hasn't admitted that's why he posts. He says he's sometimes been a dick. Who hasn't?
But here are a few of his constructive viewpoints:

"What makes you think I'm not trying? There are ways and means. Some of the shite suggested on here is laughable. We'd look idiotic and Ken would be about as bothered as he is about the political wrangling of Kenya. You've got to play him at his own game. He is subtle. Patient. Do the same."

and
"What reaction do you consider as a victory? The fine we'd incur for a pitch invasion? The media crucifixion for violence and hooliganism? The laughable toilet collection of protesters at the last big moment?
I despise ken. More than you will know. But what the hell do you think you'll achieve?"

This looks like debate to me. He's saying the consequences of some sorts of protest are that they will backfire and also not hurt Ken in the least. Just what Snowy has said earlier. It needs saying.

he has posted some good points, but also accused people of being squawkers and flappers - but sometimes when there is enough people to squawk and flap then that is exactly what they must do.

So he can't ridicule people who want to be vocal - if they want to and there's enough of them then they should do it

Visual and audible protests are every bit as important to getting a change brought about - as the investigative journalism and exposes (french word) etc

I did not like his comments being derogatory to people whatsoever, so he has spoiled himself somewhat by doing that - as his other points are good and valid points like you said!!!

parmo, if people want to protest and think it's a good idea, then that's what they should do. No-one is stopping them. But you have to ask why they aren't doing it, if they think it'll be so effective, rather than making such an issue of folk who disagree!

I agree Bearded Beast's language is derogatory sometimes, but it's still quite mild by Bunker standards. I think one of his main points, which no-one has answered, is to ask how will KH be hurt by 'angry protests'. Instead of anyone trying to answer this, he's been banned.

he will get physically hurt if he stands too close to a few of the lads I know, that is for certain

And I think it SHOULD be a dangerous environment for him to come into and he SHOULD feel in fear of his safety cos he quite simply deserves to have his skull kicked right in

in my opinion

Hodcroft I'm on about btw!! as if it wasn't obvious!!

I liked when he said we should be patient and not act/protest yet.

When asked what we should do instead he gave no answers. trolling little turd. Well done chip.

Ridiculous barring him or changing his password or whatever just because he doesn't agree with some people and vice versa. You can post 1000 posts with a 1000 words and still say nothing. He may be a bit more direct with his turn of phrase than others, but may not have time to sit and type tomes all day. Can you still ignore certain user's posts?

Would someone without a spine be able to sit? Or would they slouch badly, or be laid down?

No lie I read a post on ITB today that said with the new appointment we need continuity.

CONTINUITY!!

It wasn't a joke either


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PIA ffs.

I like John. He's a good bloke

He is just insane that's all - and that is coming from me ha!ha!

We need to start fund raising A.S.A.P. The first step is opening a ring fenced bank account. Suggestions anybody.

This is why you really need a focal point, if it is the supporters group who run the Corner flag then that is fine, speak to a couple of banks (maybe the local credit union then you'll be supporting a decent concern for the town by saving with them) and use facebook, forums and flyers at home games to raise awareness, use some bucket collections (maybe ask people to give what they would have spent on an in the ground pint/programme) maybe even from away fans as they'll probably be on the fans side and generally make a lot of noise.

Instead of a meeting where a list of questions are produced for Hodcroft to bluff through this needs a group of people prepared to lead and prepared to be decisive while communicating with everyone what they are doing and why. Anyone still sucking up to IOR should just be ignored and told politely they're not welcome.

Isn't the credit union behind the police station ie close to pools. May be worth a few of us going there and picking their brains?

Yeah that's the place, they use any money saved to help them provide banking services to people who can't afford to or struggle to manage their money when using normal banks so a fans group saving there would be helping local people as well as the future of the club. Makes sense to have a warm fuzzy feel about the whole thing.

Good point.

It would be as funny as fuck if the fans could be organised enough to tempt the council to flog the ground to the supporters under IOR's nose for a nominal fee.