Season ticket prices are £399 for seating & £354 for standing, which are in line with prices before the heavy discounts over the last few seasons. I believe I paid £310 (after the early bird discount) before the heavy discounting commenced, & I think match day prices were £18 at the time.

It wouldn't make sense for the club to reduce match-day prices now to £15 (23 x £15 = £345) while the discount period applies. Once the discount period has expired, the match-day prices may be reviewed.

However, if you had already paid the £354 normal price, you could be miffed if the match-day prices were then reduced below £15.50 (23 x £15.50 = £356.50). So realistically, the match-day prices are unlikely to be revised until we are quite a way into the season, at the point where full-priced season ticket purchases are considered to be worthwhile.

It's unfortunate for supporters who can't commit to the Zebra Finance deal. Discounts are offered by businesses to attract purchases from those who can afford to take advantage of them. The club needs to set its budgets, & I expect the discounted deals are designed to coincide with that timing.

Discretionary spending once in the ground is another matter, but if you can't commit to £20 p.m. under the Zebra scheme, you're unlikely to be able to afford in-ground refreshments either

Really......? We can only deal with the figures we've been given .
Fantasies and speculation are just that........ so till this 'very good business' appears in print, I'll be sticking with the boring old facts.

Facts can change very quickly, though, apparently. You have to keep your ear close to the grapevine.

Still, my daughter will be pleased to hear she can now lend her season ticket book when she can't use it, without worrying that it might be confiscated, and Muttley will be pleased that he can now get to matches....especially so now that there are no tickets left in the book.

What it means is that there do seem to be people ( as often quoted on this messageboard) who do give or sell tickets to other fans when they themselves cannot attend. The club, to the best of my knowledge, have not clamped down on this and according to others on here it is still fairly common practice. Neither condoning this or criticising, merely stating a fact. If fans can get these tickets on a one off basis, then many will not buy a ticket from the club at a higher price.

Nicely side-stepped, but it wasn't the claim you originally made about the Club's 'generosity'. I leave readers to form their own conclusions.

this is going to 10 pages...

Agreed, the word "generously" may have been misinterpreted - I don't think they are being generous, but I do think they could have stamped it out had they chosen to do so. I seem to remember there was an outcry when they said people had to present the full book, and not just a ticket, at the turnstile (again as stated in the book). I don't think they have done this.

Yes. Geoff appears not to notice he's lost the dressing-room. Perhaps someone could send him a quick text....?

Look if I pay for something any who I like can use it (even tho mine has only been used 4 times this season) ..end of story..

As long as its not a concession ticket I think they'd be on dodgy ground anyway if they tried to stop you giving it to someone..

Anyway as I said earlier (due to circumstances beyond my control) I'll be able to get to about 4 games at the most again so will not be bothering...

Alternatively you could say Season ticket offer = good (to say the least)
Pay on the gate price = a fiver over the odds.

Head and Nail it is £5 too high drop it to £15/ £20 and they'd reap the benefits..Lets face it no one at all will buy a full price season ticket..

I don't understand the need to reduce prices for advance purchase.

£15 is in impulse purchase territory & someone at a loose end by 12 on a Saturday might just turn out, but they might not know they were going to be free on the Thurs or Fri so would baulk at £25 which is 3 or 4 pints more than a £15 ticket would be.

Like has been said, if they dropped the pay at the door price to £15 you'd lose on season ticket sales, which like it or not are now the clubs bread & butter.

Anyone going to to all the games is saving £165 if we reduced the on the day price to £15 price you start to get "in for nothing" at 12 games so basically with a season ticket you get almost half a season free even at £15 a game! If the price stay as it is pools will be getting my poolsworld subscription and that's about it ( when I do go I'm sure I'll find a ticket somewhere!)

I'm sure the club would not want to do anything which would affect season ticket sales, there is no evidence but a definite probability dropping pay on the day prices would affect sales.
I would rather 3000 men, women & kids benefit from a great deal than maybe a few hundred or so who would rather pick and choose games depending on the weather, if the missus want to go shopping or if they just fancy watching Jeff Stelling in the bar.

Does it really matter to you if the pay at the door prices are dropped, you've already said you ain't gonna get to many games anyway.

It's obvious the blueprint for the whole deal is to have such a gap between season ticket and pay at the door prices that the ticket deal is attractive enough to suit those who want/can/will go to as many games as they can.
Those less well off can take advantage of a generous finance plan.
Floaters and those who can't get to many games unfortunately lose out. But they are the minority in all this.

A sizeable 1500 minority Klinger .. and can you tell me how is getting charged £20 for borrowing £180 over ten months generous?? Fair enough its not Wonga rates but to call it interest free is a bit of a porky..

Come on, the Morcombe game was a fiver, played on a bank holiday and built up as a cup final. I can't believe Chip would even put that forward as an argument.
Do you really think you'd have anywhere near that if it we were playing Morcombe mid season and cost 15 quid?
No chance.

Or Exeter in a nothing game last game of the season?

What part of its 5 quid in not 15 don't you understand?

If it was £15 far more neutrals would turn up far better to 4000 in the ground than 3500..

Chip wasn't directly comparing, he was merely stating (and rightly) that reducing the price will still get more people in. Surely you can see it's worth doing that? It makes no sense (business or common) to keep the prices so high unless as Birthmark pointed out the club will change the price later.

You'd think by the attitude of a few ST holders on this thread they want the pay on the day prices high, don't people want the ground as full as possible?


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Chip was directly comparing he used Morcombe as a direct example of how knocking the prices down increases attendance.
The business sense in the price being so high is it gives a bigger margin between season ticket cost per game prices and pay at the door making them more attractive
The club need to sell as many season tickets at knock down prices to make it work,the whole financial structure of the club is now built around season ticket sales.

At £180 we'd sell them as long as there was enough of a difference. There'd be enough of a difference at £15/£20. Back in the old days you used to get 2 games free over the on the day prices. Now you're getting half a season!

Klingers 'reasoning' has a distinct whiff of the League of Gentlemen about it .... and a 'pull the ladderup I'm alright jack' attitude....we can discuss the deferential attitude another time. :

A proper gesture to the fans would have been more like slashing prices to £10 per game if bought a week in advance of each game (people could then buy in bulk at fixture release time) or £15 on the gate for the late comers.

This would be risky in terms of income but, it allows fans to budget, doesn't rip off those who can't make many games and most importantly it would put the onus on to the club to make sure the ground was full by not serving up the detritus we saw today.

The thing is we're selling a "B" grade product now but asking those without a season ticket to pay"A" grade prices!

what a load of sentimental horseshit.
All ive done is give an explanation on why the gap is so big between ticket season per game cost and pay as you go cost. Its to make season tickets more attractive and get more punters to buy in. Its just like pricing a can of beans in the supermarket, buy one for 40p or buy 4 for a quid.
But as always, because someone gives an alternative opinion you have go on a fucking power to the people glory trail and twist what was actually being said.

You just aren't grasping the business aspect of the deal.

When the cheap ticket were first introduced and we sold over 5000, do you think that extra 2000 people all of a sudden found a desire to watch Hartlepool United?

No, it was just a deal that was too good to turn down, just like what youve seen today with 5 quid a game.
Did people turn up today expecting to see a repeat performance of the Morcombe game? very probably.
Answer a question, would the same amount of extra people turn up at 15 quid a game after today's performance?

People like offshore poolie bumping his gums about ticket prices when the truth is he wouldnt go to the game anyway if his young un was playing at the same time and that's his choice. No argument from me on that one.
But surely even you can see there's nothing wrong with the club giving the best deal they can afford to their most loyal fan base. That deal is only feasible if enough people buy in

Boro fans and people who arent into footie eh.

I've got nowt else to say.

Klinger just wants a 1/3 full ground of pure season ticket holders, no floating peasant fans, elite only.


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I've never known a pools fan before who'd not want boro, Sunderland or newc fans turning up on a blank Saturday.

Or pools fans bringing non pools fans, get a few non regs into it, convince a few it's worth, show em why we love it.

Until now of course


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Still heading for 10 pages.

Perhaps it should be £5 on the gate and £300 for the loyal season ticket holders. Then those who come along to 3 or 4 games a season would be happy!

How about those who pay for a season ticket and only come to four games..

Remember I bought a season ticket too this season ..

If you can't see the sense that by lowering the pay on the day price BY five pounds (. not too £5) will attract more punters and help do away with those profiteering by selling tickets at £10 you're an idiot (or maybe you're one of those selling on tickets and like to get YOUR ticket subsidised even further)...

Finally you're right I'll not be bothering next season and neither will my Son so you're two precious STEs down ALREADY and they won't get a penny off me either at £20/£25..


Where's the ostrich when you need it..

What Klinger won't or can't grasp is that the discounted season tickets will indeed be snapped up regardless... does he really believe regulars won't buy one on the off chance other prices might tempt them to pay on the gate..........? Utter bollocks!
Why punish those who can only attend the odd match for a number of reasons or the fair weather fans. The present income from the pay on the day prices must be minimal....why not lower it......?....surely 500 paying £15 is better than a handful paying £25...?
The present pricing structure will in effect limit attendances to more or less the number of seaon ticketd sold....which probably gives some people a nice warm glow... but a shit atmosphere.
I get really pissed off with people who think their circumstances set the model for evey other supporter
As a concession to Klinger why not get the club to strike a gold medal the size of a dustbin lid proclaiming you are the purchaser of a season ticket and make it mandatory to wear at all games.... or possibly not.

....and 1700 paying £5 each is even better, but you're unlikely to see either of those prices until the qualifying period for selling discounted season ticket sales has long expired.

How likely will even the extra 500 turn up on a cold, wet Tuesday nights or Saturday afternoons between November & February? If they turn up in those conditions, surely they are more likely to attend regularly & so would buy a season ticket?

Even the Reduced Price Zebra finance deal of £200 over 10 months equates to less than £9 per game, which, as has been pointed out, falls within the range of discretionary spending. So it's only those who can't meet the credit assessment who can't take advantage.

Those who can't make the last 14 games of the season, on the assumption that match-day prices were reduced to £15 by then, would also lose out under the Zebra deal.

Yes but you have to agree the £15/£20 is the best option and I'd hazard a guess that it would not effect the take up of the "Early Bird" season tickets..

Lets face it no one will be buying them after the early bird offer expires anyway.. NSTE..

Can you shorten the tattoo to dick ? Cos the weather has been cold lately ?


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Fact is....some people have a season ticket and believe that's all that counts.
You get the impression that those who don't get a season ticket just don't count and are an irrelevance .....and having to pay the full whack serves you right for not buying a season ticket. The idea that some people because of work commitments or lack of money can't attend, even though they'd love to be there, is an alien concept.All that counts is some absurd concrpt of buying a season ticket.......well I've been going since schooldays and never used to miss a match .......took my kids but never had a season ticket till three years ago .... for the simple reason I never had the cash to spare. Especially when you had to buy one when you had to pay for a family holiday ...but could always look at the season ticket holders and think to myself at least I paid the full whack on the gate every week.... but it was just a thought.
The tickets should be there to facilitate everyone...not the smug ones.

Most stuff said on here about the on the day prices is right, it is too high at £25, it is high at £20 if bought during the week. I've said that before some people have a go simply because it's me posting.

Chip makes good points but I'd like to ask him and others who go for the cheaper on the day admission one question, and I agree there needs to be more of a middle ground between saving for ST and walk in. And I don't know answer/solution

Of those 1200-1500 extra fans who attended the games against Morecambe(on a bank holiday) and Exeter (on a decent day in May) would attend on a miserable Tuesday night in November/December/January, if the offer was made ? It's a bit of a rhetorical question,

Gates for the JPT show that, yes it's a mickey mouse competition but the cheap prices don't even attract the ST holder as a whole, so the day/opponents are relevant to who will attend. Early rounds in the FA Cup are similar, once more a lot of ST holders don't attend. Prices are usually lowered there.I know the opponents have a right to 45% in those competitions but if lower prices don't work then why would they work against the bottom team in a league game but little things like that are probably used by Pools when setting prices.

Pools playing for example Carlisle next season maybe guaranteed 600-800 Carlisle fans at £20 a go now if lower to £15 and it even my lower figure of 600 thats £3000 Pools lose Can Pools attract 200 home fans to make up loss. I say NO. If 800 they lose £4000 thats over 250 home fans to attract. NOT A CHANCE if it falls on a Tuesday night in November/December.

I haven't answers but simply saying lower it to a businessmen like KH isn't going to work. Something else needs to be done because we need those walk in fans and we need them badly.

Have Pools looked and said even at £15 we're not going to get many more on either a Saturday or a Tuesday night once the winter weather sets in ? I want more fans in and more income from Pools and for more people to be able to afford to come. My opinion is that the ST should have been more and the on the day admission less. £250 (£11 a a game) Would have still been reasonable in my opinion and not reduced sales by much. Then £15 on day.an ST holder would have still saved nearly a £100 if attended all home games.

The price is , and I'm only guessing set to cover the whole season as opposed to August/September/ April/May when weather could attract more. And more importantly to Pools the number of fans the opposition will bring as opposed to number of fans that walk in the home end(s) on the day. And that not right either. But the Carlisle scenario shows some reasoning behind it. I think that wrong but that's probably got something behind the prices.

TL;DR

If I hear one more comment about those hardy season ticket heroes who take their life in their hands to turn up on the mythical cold night in January to endure frostbite and watch Pools while the pay on the gate wasters are sat at home round a warm fire drinking champagne and gorging themselves on smoked salmon I swear I'll fooking explode.

"I haven't answers but simply saying lower it to a businessmen like KH isn't going to work. Something else needs to be done because we need those walk in fans and we need them badly."

I think the 'something that needs to be done' is invest in the team so that it plays consistently entertaining football that people will want to watch. 'Businessmen' succeed who take risks such as that.

Of course, some business ventures fail in spite of everything their management does to make a success of them, but that's not the problem we have here at the moment. Here, the 'businessman' won't get the right personnel in place, which is the only thing that will assure success.

The whole idea of expecting to make a success of a venture, not by providing something people want to buy, but by putting up prices for something people don't want to buy, is simply ridiculous.

Business is pretty simple...give the customer what they want .
We seem to be operating on the priciple of servicing the loyal but easily pleased customers...it's called stagnation.

The point is that the Club is always messing around at the edges, trying to tweak this or that minor issue and diverting attention from the things that matter. The folk at the top, talented thought they might be elsewhere, for all I know, just aren't in the mould of creative thinkers. They're out of their depth. They'd rather do all this superficial abacus work and then they wonder why nothing changes.

If someone like Dibble were running the show, we might get some energy into things. Fighting might break out every week, but we'd have a going concern!

But the focus should be on the 'product', not the price. It's all the wrong way round
The pricing is secondary to getting together a functioning product...a team, in this case. That's what they should be concentrating on, and they're not. Every season lately, they could have remedied things and didn't, or didn't in time.

As just one example, if they'd concentrated on, say, replacing Hignett, the man who was responsible for the goal-scoring improvement, that would have been an intelligent attempt to make a difference to the season.

Instead they belatedly get loads of people to come in for a fiver and then dish up the likes of last Saturday's game, thus ensuring that the newbies probably never want to come again. Simply haven't got their fingers on the pulse.