when I read this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-2573132

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25731328

No worse than the 2nd home scams being pulled by MPs of all persuasions...

Weak story. He tried to do something but didn't so we have no way of knowing whether he would really have done what he said he would have done afterwards. Would need to see the programme but if that is all they've got I'm surprised they're showing it.

Certainly a bit hypocritical but loads of people who bought their houses opposed the change in the law and then bought once lots of other people had. If he'd got the union to fund the purchase and then kept it in his name that would have been illegal but as the sale never happened- so what?

so in other words its fine ? get your feckin blinkers off.

So everything is fine and dandy in this post-Thatcherite paradise that is the UK?

Now who wears the blinkers?

No blinkers on here Aido. I've got plenty of criticisms of Scargill and by the sounds of this I'd add it to my list but it is an incredibly weak story.

The court case that revealed this took place in late 2012. The BBC have had a year to dig into things to try and get more evidence of some wrong doing. Usually that means actually doing something criminal but in the case of a politician I suppose doing something hypocritical might count. Scargill might have done something hypocritical if he'd got the flat but he didn't so the story is that he applied to do something hypocritical.

I honestly don't think this would have made it onto the air if Scargill was an establishment figure. Doesn't mean I think he was right but there are a lot worse things happening that never make it onto TV. I've got a lot of respect for many of the journalists who work on Inside Out but this looks like a case of spending a lot of time and effort because of rumours and tip-offs and then coming up with nothing substantial. Because it is Scargill they've just run with anything they've got but that doesn't make it any less weak.

hang on, where have I claimed that it is ? instead of just sticking your thumb on your nose, wiggling your fingers and going 'nyer nyer nyernyernyer', what about a cogent defence of a sworn socialist wanting to use an arch-capitalists scheme to feather his own nest, or kicking off because his former union won't keep him in perpetuity ? If you dismiss the story, at least come up with a rational counter-argument; a la Monsieur Toulouse.

No I can't, whats your problem? Maybe he just wanted to live in a council house?. It would of been within the rules regardless of what you think. Of all the people to pick on, there are hundreds of rich bounders,tories who are harassing people in Hartlepool and you try to undermine a man who put money into workers pockets and tried to keep them in work. Go down to the railway crossing at the bottom of Church St and see the coal trains every hour going from Tyne Dock to the Notts Power Stations full of Ukranian and American fracked coal , and tell me you agree with almost a whole generation of young people in East Durham being denied a job in the British Coal industry, go on tell me!!

another wilfully blind apologist for a bloke who put political ambition in front of the interests of his union members and is still trying to do it. what is it about scargill that inspires such dumb devotion ? and why is it you can't look at the facts of this story without resorting to hopeless tired cliches. my point was about scargill trying to take the piss out of the people who backed him to the hilt, and you go off on a completely unconnected rant about trains and coal and all rich bounders being tories. what a load of old shit.

"Maybe he just wanted to live in a council house ?" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. What, one that costs nearly £3 grand a month to live in ? ha ha ha ha. Even the NUM didn't know they were paying his rent, and they've said they don't believe he was going to hand it over to them if his application had gone through.

Try getting your head out of your arse and look at the facts. Your man of the people is still taking the piss out of the working man, like he did thirty years ago.

Mr Horden it is interesting to note that over the period 1983 to 1997 (ie pre strike to end of the Tories rule) the UK coal production declined at an average rate of 6.3% per annum. Over the period of the Blair government (ie 1997 to 2010) it declined at a rate of 7.2% per annum.

What came out recently under the 25 year rule papers was that there was a list of colliery closures that Scargill claimed was the basis for the 84/5 strike but was always denied by the Tories. I think time will judge Scargill as a poor leader because he lost the miners strike due to bad tactics and split his union in two. The eventual falling out between Scargill and the NUM does neither much credit.

Scargill was the most destructive influence on the mining industry in its history. Maggie has a few questions to answer but in my view the collapse of the industry was self inflicted by Scargill and the miners.

I am quite comfortable in the knowledge of who has done the greater wrong here. Fin.

so a drink driver who kills one pedestrian is better than a drink driver who kills two ?

A very, very good friend of mine, Terry Butkeraitis died last week. He was President of the Derbyshire NUM and a close ally of Scargills. He introducd me to the man and the difference between the rabid orator portrayed on TV and the man himself was remarkable. I should add I'm not a 'lefty.'

A little known fact is that the NUM Pension Fund was and is so cast iron and well invested that now with the passing years, it's difficult to get it back to the members as many have simply died.

Remember 'vibration white finger?' They'd pay out 17K if you claimed that even a part of a finger was claimed to be numb and the medical consisted of putting your hand in a dish of cold water and saying 'no, I can't feel that bit.'

Say what you like about Scargill, he definitely had his members interests at heart. He simply bit off more than he could chew with typical Yorkshire arrogance.

Incidentally, the other speakers the night I met him were Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner. We were just the band while the buffet was on.

Eye opener.

Er.......well........ my advice is it's better not go out on a day you know either drink driver is behind the wheel.

This country will never get anywhere while this them and us haves and haves not attitude prevails . Look to Norway to see how a country should be run .. I'm so glad my pension will be coming from there ..

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i am a lefty and youre right about Arthur,he definately had the interests of others at heart.
"the ragged trousered philanthropists"should be on the school curriculum,not that daft Shakespeare trash

Terry was the gadgie who chained himself to the railings of Whitwell pit top and stayed there for almost a week It was one of the iconic images of the day.

its a pity there arent more people like Terry around nowadays

People like Aido and the others berating Scargill deserve all they are going to get. Kids who can't afford to buy a house, no jobs, poor pensions, living in towns without amenities. You fools!!

Thanks to that pension fund my old man can help subsidise my low pay I am probably not alone, lots of people in the town are living off the back of those who worked in unionised,relatively secure,nationalised industries.

Scandinavia, Canada, Germany. Civilised countries

and they say capitalism works???

Capitalism works for the elite ... And as I was standing by the edge
I could see the faces of those led pissing themselves laughing
(And the flames grew)
Their mad eyes bulged their flushed faces said
The weak get crushed as the strong grow stronger ... I know Paul Weller is not too well liked on here but it sort of sums this country up

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On the subject of old socialists that we've talked to I was lucky enough to have some good chats with Paul Foot who was a campaigning journalist in The Mirror when it still campaigned. Great man, incredibly clever with a breadth of knowledge and very funny in public and private.

He reckoned that lots of people would think very differently about politics if they would just ask themselves two simple questions about the way the world is run and answer them honestly:

In times of crisis who suffers?

In times of boom who benefits?

After that politics can get complicated because you have to decide which side you're on and work out how to change things or whether it is even worth trying. Starting point is simple though.

By the time he wrote Funeral Pyre, he was already planning The Style Council, and quite frankly that should have been enough for him to be incarcerated!!!

do you come up with this shite yourself, or do you have access to a website with it on ?

He's got a coal fired horse shit generator, particularly good for slagging off the Town, Pools and people of the Town.....

Think you are confusing that with someone who speaks his mind and says it as he sees it.

I think everyone on this board knows you have an obsession with slagging off everything I say, why? who knows? but if you ever want to talk about please PM me and we can meet up for a chat.

Not so good at wars though. [/quot

Considering what the Germans took on, I would say they were very good at Wars, unfortunately for them they didn't have the Americans to bail them out. They are even better at World Cups though

Paul Foot, Scargill, Benn, Bickerstaffe are some of the nicest, most decent people you could ever wish to meet. Obviously the media machine works at full pelt to discredit them because if the thick working class ever realised they were been shafted and backed these blokes then the rich would really have something to worry about. The likes of Scargill etc talk so much sh*te that the state spends billions trying to discredit them , their unions and beliefs, strange that don't you think

Illustrates what I said earlier ..

http://m.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/loca ... -1-6379588

Nice of them to let those have the least pay the most .. The only good Tory is a lavatory





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While the Tories made the decision I blame the people of Hartlepool for the mess we are in.

They'll blindly vote Labour and if Labour win an election we will get fuck all, the Tories know we will never vote for them so why would they spend a penny trying? Labour know the town is dumb so they don't try either.

Why doesn't Wright stop moaning and use his party influence to sort of the jumble of shite running the council and work out how to find some people who can actually bring life to the area instead of sucking it away with bloody stupid masterplans.

I'm not fussy about what colour my MP or Prime Ministers tie is but while we live in an apathetic town with a group of sheep voting for who their parents voted for and against Thatcher we will never ever ever be on the map for a government to put some effort into us.

More I dependent mps running on local issues is the answer

It is, you just need enough to upset the balance of Parliament.

Well I thought they done this last time although Camer goon is just going to let the Lib Dems implode next election.. Although I hoping Farage and his Looney Right denting some Tory Constituencies

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I don't understand why it isn't done more
Surely if someone ran on he single issue of say closing Hartlepool hospital and said if they got elected they would do everything they can to disrupt parliamentary process until they got their way they would get voted in ?

Probably because when you get there as an independent you get next to no say in decisions, with the voting system you'd need to win allies and while the majority of your potential friends are affiliated to one of the two main parties you'd have to pick a side on most issues and hope they returned the favour.

I can't help but think that the current situation Hartlepool finds its self in is the one it was heading towards before the last election and the impact on most normal townsfolk of the cuts to council funding haven't been as massive as the Mail and Iain Wright would have us believe, indeed they've probably improved some bits of the council in terms of efficiency. We had years of pissing away money on nothing, loads of needless waste on god knows what, no real effort to attract investment and jobs and a spineless council who let the hospital go.

Labour will always bang the its the Tories fault drum but what got better in Hartlepool during 13 years of Labour Government?

Are you for real .. £680 of cuts per household the Tories are really looking after us aren't they..

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Because if he doesn't simply bend over and take what's coming, they'll deselect him and put in another puppet. See falkirk.

It really is that simple.

On close to a hundred grand and expenses, what would you do? Throw it all away for idealism?

Democracy eh?? Fucking wonderful.

If it existed.

I didn't say they were looking after us.

That £680 isn't being taken out of our pockets it was being spent by the council on things of dubious use to the majority of us.

This town has been neglected and mismanaged for some years now and its taken budgetary cuts to show just how bad that is, but do you really expect the towns Labour MP to say anything other than something with a political spin.

I'd rather hear him say this is bad, but we have a plan of how to deal with it. If his skill amounts to blaming the others when his party have ran this town for years then he's making himself look very weak and ineffective.

I do forget modern socialists make sure their nest is feathered before growing principles.

Cuts and selling off every green space in town to make a few quid

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Who is doing the selling?

Erm the council...

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But that's the council's decision and certainly isn't the Tories fault.

Hardly true when there's a big fook-off government gun pointing at all local council heads.

Bravo to them though. It's called divide and rule.

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