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Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

ah well. Opinions eh?

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Not old enough yet only 16 / 17 bit ones "made it" to pools the other to Carlisle... Others in Northern / Wearside League ATM

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

But as gloves says its about opinions

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Unusually for you you're being pedantic here chip .. We all know the figures all Dibbs is saying is that if they had closer ties with the the local tjfa clubs the outcomes could be different ...prove him wrong..

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

I doubt any kids with hood. GCSEs would chose two years at pools over college and uni..

I'm talking about kids who have played representative football at COUNTY level not Sunday morning clogger's (apols Pubey)

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

I don't know any although I haven't seen any at pools either.. Have you?

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

As for my kids going to pools he's got 10a* at GCSE do you think he'd waste two years there?

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Compo · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:23 pm

What have academic qualifications got to do with being a football player at Pools, cant he do college at the same time like?

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:24 pm

I definetly would if I had the choice....he would never lose his exam results!!!!

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:26 pm

In fact the more I think of it the more stupid of a statement it becomes!!!! confised

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:27 pm

PS....did he have that choice like????

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Chip Fireball wrote:

I'm not being pedantic. I'm also able to take a neutral stance as I don't have kids that have been rejected by Pools giving me an axe to grind.

I'm saying name these fantastic 16 and 17 year olds Pools have overlooked and we can pull the thread up in 2 years time and see where they are.

Chip you have completely missed the point. Sorry.

I am not going to name kids that are not in academies anyway. And the fact that they have missed out probably means they wont make it in the pro game anyway.

So your point is futile at best.

We will never know if the kids that didnt get picked up would have made it will we?

But we do know that those that have been picked up have not made it.

Therefore something is wrong surely?

Get yourself along to watch kids football and decide for yourself if you think any of them are any good.

Pools dont, but I know many people that think they are. And that goes for a good number kids in different teams at different age groups.

Oh, and it wasnt me that stated:

"If kids arent in academies at 14, they will never be good enough"

But someone at Pools did.

And if I am bitter, its because my lad plays local football, and every year we had a chance of winning the league, and every year we lost two of our better players to the academy, and every year the lads got released at Christmas, and couldnt return to our club. So fooking our clubs up.

Including this year.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Compo wrote:

What have academic qualifications got to do with being a football player at Pools, cant he do college at the same time like?

Not if you want to study Maths, Further Maths, Physics , Chemistry and Biology .. I don't think he'd have the time to devote to his studies and train/play at the same time .. You'll have to agree he's probably get more lifestyle choices sticking to his studies than a lower league footballer.. His ambition is to work in the City ..I don't know why .. I'd rather he be a Scientist...

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

horden wrote:

If those players are the best we have got then god help us. Centre back pairing were very poor as was most of the team, particuarly the defence, no communication between them, not talking to each other. Richards spent most of the night effing and blinding, body language of the players was poor, management team lack charisma. Looked as though they didn't want to be there. Only highlight a well taken goal from Boagey.
banghead

Remembering this is someone else's take on the success or lack of it of pools youth system that started this discussion in the first place .. Couldn't see a bigger reason for swerving the full operation ..

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Compo · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:47 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

Compo wrote:

What have academic qualifications got to do with being a football player at Pools, cant he do college at the same time like?

Not if you want to study Maths, Further Maths, Physics , Chemistry and Biology .. I don't think he'd have the time to devote to his studies and train/play at the same time .. You'll have to agree he's probably get more lifestyle choices sticking to his studies than a lower league footballer.. His ambition is to work in the City ..I don't know why .. I'd rather he be a Scientist...

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Well its his choice but I did three of them subjects stated above. I agree that he will have a higher chance at getting a well paid job out of it studying like. However tell him to go into biomedical science if he wants to earn money in scientific area as the others are mainly very competitive and the companies know this so pay peanuts.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

I dont want Pools looking at the lads in my lads team.

I want pools to keep the fuck away.

They have caused us enough damage already.

Compo · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:39 pm

So if you had a 16 year old in your team who you thought was good enough you wouldnt want Pools to have a look at him??

I agree the set up is wrong with regard to them not being able to play for any other teams in that season and to me thats just madness at any age below 15.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Compo its not pools that stop them once they're released its the tjfa.. But its still wrong

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Compo · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:48 pm

I never said it was Pools???

parmo · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:58 pm

Rock and roll football!

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Like the analogy chip but the difference is someone signs them to the band as the next big thing and then tells them to welcome to the board before they've even made a record!

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Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

Chip Fireball wrote:

Dibbles gripe seems to be that Hartlepool United Football Club is not run in the best interest of his kids team on a Sunday afternoon. Its a fair point and I will mention it to Hodcroft.

:laugh:

People I have spoken to have said the youth setup is being much better run since Hewitson got involved

:laugh:

Infact

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:16 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

Like the analogy chip but the difference is someone signs them to the band as the next big thing and then tells them to welcome to the board before they've even made a record!

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Maybe....just maybe....they sign them up and just don't develop or they find out they simply aren't good enough to make it!!!! confised

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

sorry chip, but that thing I laughed at nearly broke my ribs.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

MutleyRules wrote:

Maybe....just maybe....they sign them up and just don't develop or they find out they simply aren't good enough to make it!!!! confised

In many cases this is true.

What I have been told from lads in the academy, or ex academy lads is that they simply dont play enough football. They get coached to death. But rarely play games.

So when they come against match hardened lads they cant compete.

Its a recurring complaint from those in there.

And when they do have games, most only get half a game.

Thats why a lot of lads dont want to join, even if they are offered.

Others think they are better, and by playing in the TJFA remain in the shop window for other scouts. Those signed up by Pools are trapped in many ways.

But I suppose you dont believe me. :laugh:

tripledecker · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1938

Compo wrote:

offshorepoolie wrote:

Compo wrote:

What have academic qualifications got to do with being a football player at Pools, cant he do college at the same time like?

Not if you want to study Maths, Further Maths, Physics , Chemistry and Biology .. I don't think he'd have the time to devote to his studies and train/play at the same time .. You'll have to agree he's probably get more lifestyle choices sticking to his studies than a lower league footballer.. His ambition is to work in the City ..I don't know why .. I'd rather he be a Scientist...

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Well its his choice but I did three of them subjects stated above. I agree that he will have a higher chance at getting a well paid job out of it studying like. However tell him to go into biomedical science if he wants to earn money in scientific area as the others are mainly very competitive and the companies know this so pay peanuts.

Tim's change but in general if he wants to make money I would say the city is a better option than sciences, though sounds like he is lucky/smart enough to have the option

tripledecker · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1938

Chip Fireball wrote:

Dibbles gripe seems to be that Hartlepool United Football Club is not run in the best interest of his kids team on a Sunday afternoon. Its a fair point and I will mention it to Hodcroft.

People I have spoken to have said the youth setup is being much better run since Hewitson got involved, dunno if its true or not, but like I said theres more kids coming through into the First Team than there has been in a long time.

I'd also suggest that a lot of people who play football think they are a lot better than they actually are, and the penny still hasn't dropped by the time they end up playing over 40's. I think there are a lot of Dads like I said, who push their kids into football who shouldnt be telling them they have a chance of being a pro, and a lot of Dads who think their kids and their kids teams are better than they actually are. If I had a tenner for every bloke Ive heard slagging off the manager of the team his kid plays for I'd be a rich man.

Every season I go to Pools I see the kids on the pitch from the various Pools teams doing that keepy up bollox on the pitch. Hundreds of the fuckers. How many of them will make a career in football ? A handful if that. Its no different to me buying my kid a guitar, paying someone a few quid to teach them how to play it , then crying once the kid has turned 18 and not got a record deal with a major label.

Agree with players thinking they are better than they are, I loved playing when I was a kid, I was never close to good enough to make me think I could do anything with it, but it must be harder for kids who are fairly good who get told they could be good enough

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

And to think all this started because Mr Horden said that the quality of our current youth team is not very good ..Dibbs was just offering his thoughts to the reason for this .. Let's face it any Northern League outfit worth its salt should be able to turn over a Pools Youth team ..after all said and done most of them will end up playing there if they're lucky ...

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

No who does.. As I said most of them will be lucky to be playing Northern League at the end of it.. The only people raising the expectations of these kids are pools themselves

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Could be on the same bus as my lad as he's going too.. They'll probably know each other !

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PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

offshorepoolie wrote:

And to think all this started because Mr Horden said that the quality of our current youth team is not very good ..Dibbs was just offering his thoughts to the reason for this .. Let's face it any Northern League outfit worth its salt should be able to turn over a Pools Youth team ..after all said and done most of them will end up playing there if they're lucky ...

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But of just about every Pools youth team more of those lads will end up playing in the Northern League than the Football League.

That will always be the case it's just the way it is.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

That's what I said didn't I??? Look just tell the scouts to keep away from dibbs team on a Sunday and everyone's happy

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tripledecker · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1938

Anyone who gets in from Hartlepool or other non private schools deserves a lot of credit, not only do they skew who gets in to private schools, but those schools do intense interview training before hand so definitely have an unfair advantage

Compo · **Posted:** Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:33 pm

Gets in where??? And who mentioned anything about private schools?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

tripledecker wrote:

Anyone who gets in from Hartlepool or other non private schools deserves a lot of credit, not only do they skew who gets in to private schools, but those schools do intense interview training before hand so definitely have an unfair advantage

One of my best mates graduated with a first from Cambridge after being at Dyke House then the Sixth Form.

alienlife · **Posted:** Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:03 pm

The youth academy thing and chips music analogy can be applied to any sport, how many kids turn out play rugby but never turn pro, how many people set out to be racing drivers and never make a penny from the driving part of it?

There are more people who want to do everything that there are places at the top of any sport or industry, that's the way the world works so I'm not sure where slagging off Pools youth policy fits in to it. Maybe it could be improved, I don't know, but what I do know is that the current crop of players in our youth team are there because they want to be footballers, but they're not thick and know how thin the line is between success and failure in the game, the brainwashed people are the ones around them who can only focus on saying good things.

Coming back to music, who is it that builds up the hopes of the shite ones who end up crying on the Xfactor? It certainly isn't the record companies.

parmo · **Posted:** Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:55 pm

our lass has banned me from singing in the bath. If the cameras were there I'm sure I would have cried

tripledecker · **Joined:** Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm **Posts:** 1938

PJPoolie wrote:

tripledecker wrote:

Anyone who gets in from Hartlepool or other non private schools deserves a lot of credit, not only do they skew who gets in to private schools, but those schools do intense interview training before hand so definitely have an unfair advantage

One of my best mates graduated with a first from Cambridge after being at Dyke House then the Sixth Form.

Good on him, am sure he is very bright, and like I say anyone who manages to do that from a regular non public school background deserves double the credit as the admissions are heavily weighted in private schools favour

horden · **Posted:** Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:47 pm

Looks like peace has broken out at last

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

As long as the scouts keep away from dibbs Sunday team the uneasy peace will continue

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Just to prove how useless they are one of kids released last December(2012) has been selected for England Schools .. But yes as chip says they do know what they are doing ...

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Clubs release kids all the time, man u let bearsdley, platt and robbie savage go. Newcastle let luke james go, boro let brad walker go, ipswich let tommy miller go, at the time that player is released he may not be good enough, it doesnt make pools clueless that after the player grows, matures, gets older he then gets picked up by someone else, it happens all the time at virtually every single club.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

What one year later after him being there from. 8 till 15 ... At best it smacks of incompetence

PS this kid was an ever present both at town and county level so surely worth a two year punt with a scholarship

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Tell me his name then n in 5 years time we can go back to this thread n if he's play pro football i'll admit im wrong n show me arse on the number 6 bus from clavering to owton manor.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Yubep wrote:

Clubs release kids all the time, man u let bearsdley, platt and robbie savage go. Newcastle let luke james go, boro let brad walker go, ipswich let tommy miller go, at the time that player is released he may not be good enough, it doesnt make pools clueless that after the player grows, matures, gets older he then gets picked up by someone else, it happens all the time at virtually every single club.

Aint Chelsea about to pay £25million for a player they got shot of?

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Not a youth product but someone they signed, sold and will now re-sign.

Bit weird i thought they'd want a striker rather than another midfielder.

Doesnt look good for mata.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

offshorepoolie wrote:

What one year later after him being there from. 8 till 15 ... At best it smacks of incompetence

PS this kid was an ever present both at town and county level so surely worth a two year punt with a scholarship

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Do kids who are already at professional clubs play at Town and County level? Say, someone who is at a Premier League Clubs academy?

Serious question I don't know the answer to. Because of they don't that's surely not as a high a level as it sounds. It's almost the perceived 'best of the rest'....

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Yubep wrote:

Not a youth product but someone they signed, sold and will now re-sign.

Bit weird i thought they'd want a striker rather than another midfielder.

Doesnt look good for mata.

Still proves your point in a way. They classed him not good enough and valued him at less than £5million. Suddenly he is good enough to shell out £25million.

Chelsea got it wrong and so can Pools.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Kids that play for academies can play for the county (their clubs can't stop them getting schoolboy honours) but the big boys(including pools) invariably try to discourage them from doing this. Some cave in some don't ..this lad never maybe that's why they released him at 15 I don't know.

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I hope my kid doesnt play footy, it all sounds very political n the wars between local teams n pools is just daft.

WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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