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Heard a whisper he's been recalled along with other loanees. Manager wants to take a look.


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Just read this on the Northern Echo's site:

"One player who has returned to the club’s Rockliffe Park training base is young midfielder Matty Dolan.

His loan at Hartlepool has come to an end and Middlesbrough have indicated that he has been recalled despite their North-East neighbours being keen to keep him at Victoria Park.

Karanka, who has given Christian Burgess permission to stay at Pools until the end of the season, is believed to want to take a closer look at Dolan before deciding on his future.

That means Hartlepool must plan for this Saturday’s visit of Rochdale without a midfielder who has become an integral part of Cooper’s system."

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/ ... _interest/


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Well I hope they are actually going to give him a chance in the 18 or recalling him is completely pointless.

Does this mean we can't loan him back as he's already been here over three months?

I suppose they might be deciding whether to let him come here permanently and the manager wanted to take a look at him first.


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That means Hartlepool must plan for this Saturday’s visit of Rochdale without a midfielder who has become an integral part of Cooper’s system."



They had to anyway he got booked against Bury that was his 5th of the season.

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Fully prepared to be shot down here, like, but I think he has been poor lately, and his passing in the Bury game was woeful, although he wasn't alone in that respect.

Surely 'Ai-no Corrida' or whatever he's called must have better alternatives in mind? sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: Matty Dolan
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http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news/ ... 83321.aspx?

Does anyone else find that last sentence a little...strange?

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 Post subject: Re: Matty Dolan
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:00 pm 
Not really, just buttering boro up incase they change their mind.

Not sure he can be suspended Bob, wasn't the count reset at New Year?


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Not really, just buttering boro up incase they change their mind.

Not sure he can be suspended Bob, wasn't the count reset at New Year?


Yes I keep forgetting about the "amnesty" of December 31st.

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Must be honest I interpreted the official site as saying that Boro were going to have one last look at him before he was released for transfer/loan. The couple of times I've seen him play he didn't look a Championship player and didn't stand out from the crowd.

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I found it strange that it mentioned IOR specifically, just seemed a little out of place

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My interpretation of it is that we have agreed a deal for him to sign for us if Middlesbrough want to release him and Middlesbrough have said that they want to have a look at him training with them for the next couple of weeks so that they can make their mind up before the transfer window closes about whether they want to keep him or will let us sign him permanently.

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 Post subject: Re: Matty Dolan
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That's how I see it, it fair enough really as the manager you can't really release someone you've never seen play.


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Splod wrote:
Must be honest I interpreted the official site as saying that Boro were going to have one last look at him before he was released for transfer/loan. The couple of times I've seen him play he didn't look a Championship player and didn't stand out from the crowd.


He's a quality player, good touch and good passing. I felt he was a little to lightweight for League 2. I can imagine him doing well in a high league where they have more time and space on the ball, but his inability to tackle for a midfield might let him down. He doesn't score enough goals either.

I'd have him back but can Imagine he'd only return for loyalty reasons rather than the standard of football. If we were still in League 1, it'll be a done deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Matty Dolan
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Mr Ripper wrote:
My interpretation of it is that we have agreed a deal for him to sign for us if Middlesbrough want to release him and Middlesbrough have said that they want to have a look at him training with them for the next couple of weeks so that they can make their mind up before the transfer window closes about whether they want to keep him or will let us sign him permanently.

That's how I see it as well.

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Must be honest I interpreted the official site as saying that Boro were going to have one last look at him before he was released for transfer/loan. The couple of times I've seen him play he didn't look a Championship player and didn't stand out from the crowd.


He's a quality player, good touch and good passing. I felt he was a little to lightweight for League 2. I can imagine him doing well in a high league where they have more time and space on the ball, but his inability to tackle for a midfield might let him down. He doesn't score enough goals either.

I'd have him back but can Imagine he'd only return for loyalty reasons rather than the standard of football. If we were still in League 1, it'll be a done deal.


I agree he is a quality player, not sure about all the stuff you list that he can't do I'd rather focus on what he can. He's a very tidy footballer, technically good, good eye for a pass, gets stuck in. Plenty there to work with. People forget this lad had played less than 10 times in the football league when he signed for Pools, what do people seriously expect from a 20 year old loan signing..... the finished article? He's like a lot of our young players he can be up and down even at times in the same game he'll do something good good followed by something not so. But Cooper is trying to build a young team who have the confidence and ability to express themselves and play football. Dolan ticks every box in that respect and seems to really want to play for Pools as well. It's really encouraging that it appears a deal was in place to bring him here full time, hopefully in a couple of weeks that will be completed and he'll be a Pools player. He would be an excellent signing he will only get better with experience and he's already ability wise better than League Two.

I think it's a sign of great progress that over the last maybe 5,6 even 7 years many have commented that central midfield has been a clear area of weakness in our squad that we could potentially have Dolan and Walker growing into and getting better in the position over the next couple of years. That's an exciting prospect for me. Think back a year or so when we had the likes of (albeit good pros) Murray and Humphreys trying to do a job for the team in that position and no more. Mostly, especially against better opposition, they fell short as well. I know what I'd rather be watching.


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I'd like to think there's a good chance of him coming back

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I genuinely think some of our fans have a mental disorder that forces then to actively seek negatives in everything, he's 20 and a decent player who is still finding his feet.

I spoke to Dolan a couple of weeks before Christmas and he seemed to be genuinely enjoying being at Pools and playing regularly, he also seemed like the kind of person you'd want around a club that's building for the next few years.

I'd rather have a team of not quite the finished article players than one poisonous journeyman.

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Ideal scenario for us would be he goes back for a few weeks, train everyday and plays a few u21 games before being told he won't be getting his contract renewed in the summer so why not find yourself a new club now and go with our blessing. Dink dank doo and in steps Cooper and we sign him on a free gratis for a good few years.

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Must be honest I interpreted the official site as saying that Boro were going to have one last look at him before he was released for transfer/loan. The couple of times I've seen him play he didn't look a Championship player and didn't stand out from the crowd.


He's a quality player, good touch and good passing. I felt he was a little to lightweight for League 2. I can imagine him doing well in a high league where they have more time and space on the ball, but his inability to tackle for a midfield might let him down. He doesn't score enough goals either.

I'd have him back but can Imagine he'd only return for loyalty reasons rather than the standard of football. If we were still in League 1, it'll be a done deal.


I agree he is a quality player, not sure about all the stuff you list that he can't do I'd rather focus on what he can. He's a very tidy footballer, technically good, good eye for a pass, gets stuck in. Plenty there to work with. People forget this lad had played less than 10 times in the football league when he signed for Pools, what do people seriously expect from a 20 year old loan signing..... the finished article? He's like a lot of our young players he can be up and down even at times in the same game he'll do something good good followed by something not so. But Cooper is trying to build a young team who have the confidence and ability to express themselves and play football. Dolan ticks every box in that respect and seems to really want to play for Pools as well. It's really encouraging that it appears a deal was in place to bring him here full time, hopefully in a couple of weeks that will be completed and he'll be a Pools player. He would be an excellent signing he will only get better with experience and he's already ability wise better than League Two.

I think it's a sign of great progress that over the last maybe 5,6 even 7 years many have commented that central midfield has been a clear area of weakness in our squad that we could potentially have Dolan and Walker growing into and getting better in the position over the next couple of years. That's an exciting prospect for me. Think back a year or so when we had the likes of (albeit good pros) Murray and Humphreys trying to do a job for the team in that position and no more. Mostly, especially against better opposition, they fell short as well. I know what I'd rather be watching.


In what way 'ability wise' is he 'better than league 2'?

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Technical ability he's a proper footballer, certain things he's does. It's more potential than right now. Like Brad Walker his technical ability and touch is better than that of a normal league two player. That's not to say either of their all round games are better than this level just yet.

The best two passes I've seen at the Vic all season have been from Dolan the one into Luke James against Northampton and the first time ball to Franks before the Monkhouse goal against Coventry.


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There's a story in today's Gazette about borer squad and Karanka states he is going to trim his squad of 30 down to 23 allowing younger players not near first team to either leave or go out on loan for remainder of the season.

I would imagine pools will either get him on loan for remainder of season or sign him permanent at end of season or if he is released.


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There's a story in today's Gazette about borer squad and Karanka states he is going to trim his squad of 30 down to 23 allowing younger players not near first team to either leave or go out on loan for remainder of the season.

I would imagine pools will either get him on loan for remainder of season or sign him permanent at end of season or if he is released.



'Ability wise tho he is too good for League 2' so with all the scouts we have at the Vic he wont be back if that is infact the case.

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Well he has a great first touch, some of his passes are quality, he sees a pass and executes it first time where others need a one or two touches to control the ball. He always find space and his movement also better than others in the league, he's always 'on his toes' so to speak whilst others are quite flat footed and get caught on the back foot. He's struggles with the ugly stuff like tackling and when him and Walker play together, the opposition midfield can by pass them, leaving the back four exposed.

Personally, I think we miss a Paul Murray/Willie Boland/Tommy Widdrington type midfield in league 2, ferious tackles and breaking up opposition attacks.


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Well he has a great first touch, some of his passes are quality, he sees a pass and executes it first time where others need a one or two touches to control the ball. He always find space and his movement also better than others in the league, he's always 'on his toes' so to speak whilst others are quite flat footed and get caught on the back foot. He's struggles with the ugly stuff like tackling and when him and Walker play together, the opposition midfield can by pass them, leaving the back four exposed.

Personally, I think we miss a Paul Murray/Willie Boland/Tommy Widdrington type midfield in league 2, ferious tackles and breaking up opposition attacks.



I spat my tea out at "always on his toes"

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Not on your toes I hope!


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I take it you dont rate him


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I have a shitty feeling he's going somewhere else!!!! :-(


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I'm not sure how you can have the expectation that someone is going to be a Championship standard player when he's never played in the Championship. He started 6 League games before he came here all for Yeovil. Let's be honest if he was of that standard now he'd never have been on loan at us in the first place.

As you say he potentially is and that's why I'd love us to sign him. I've heard tonight that he has plenty of interest from other clubs, I fear Mutley could correct :evil:


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Think he will be a big miss, not a player maybe to get us promotion, but certainly one who would help keep us around mid table. I said this months ago when some after a couple good results were saying we were play off material. Built on a house of cards, would only take a loan player to be recalled, an injury to James and 4 game ban for Austin or Duckworth etc and we could be in freefall. Just saying like !

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you could also say that about every other team in league 2!!!

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What does that actually mean???? sctatchinghead


Errm kinda means not really bothered. I think Bart uses it perfectly in the Simpsons when seeing some big library. Would post youtube link but am on phone. I'm sure Yubep could oblige.

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As soon as you said "Bart" I got it!!!! :-D


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If you search for 'meh Marina' on YouTube you can watch some blonde with decent tits explain its origin.

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If Boro have recalled Dolan that’s his loan period over, Right? Karanker has come out and stated he wants to cut his squad size down, so if he takes a look at Dolan and doesn’t think he can do a job he won't be loaning him out again will he? It’ll be thanks a lot son but your fired! in a Alan Sugar kinda way. If he becomes a free agent in this months transfer window Pools wont be the only club looking at him, I wouldn't be surprised if there’d be a couple of league 1 clubs take a look at him as well and where would a young talent rather go, pools? Or a league 1 side playing in bigger stadia in front of bigger crowds I’m not sure?


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depends if he wants to be somewhere he can be a bigger influence.He would be at Pools.

He would be guaranteed first team football, which is the whole point in being a pro

Would he get this in league one? Would he feel as at home as he does here?

Would he be convinced it is better to be a big part of a rebuilding job here? He already knows the talent and potential in this squad and it can only get better

I wouldn't rule Pools out so easily in Dolan's case

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If Boro have recalled Dolan that’s his loan period over, Right? Karanker has come out and stated he wants to cut his squad size down, so if he takes a look at Dolan and doesn’t think he can do a job he won't be loaning him out again will he? It’ll be thanks a lot son but your fired! in a Alan Sugar kinda way. If he becomes a free agent in this months transfer window Pools wont be the only club looking at him, I wouldn't be surprised if there’d be a couple of league 1 clubs take a look at him as well and where would a young talent rather go, pools? Or a league 1 side playing in bigger stadia in front of bigger crowds I’m not sure?



Dolan is under contract until the summer, so it makes financial sense to loan him out until the end of the season with another club paying his wages. He won't be on that much. Then at the end of the season he'll be released on a free transfer.


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you could also say that about every other team in league 2!!!


True, but in this case I am only saying it about HUFC.

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dolan was at the game today, despite being recalled by boro, which sort of suggests to me that he has an interest in the club. I think he would be great signing for us.


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dolan was at the game today, despite being recalled by boro, which sort of suggests to me that he has an interest in the club. I think he would be great signing for us.


Saw Bryn Morris there today as well.......do you think we have any chance of getting him?


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I saw him in Asda midweek. So he also has an interest in groceries.


Disappointing news that Chip, I believe footballers who shop at Morrisons and Lidl have a bit more something about them sctatchinghead

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I've known Matty for an awful long time and I know for a fact that he would love to see the season out with Pools!!!


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