Oh do give over.
What is me facing 90 MPH bowling got to do with anything??? That's not my job, it's his.
His performance at the Gabba in this test is what I'm talking about, not what he has or hasn't done in the past.
It was embarrassing in my opinion but I'll let you tell me anything and I mean anything that was positive about it.
Go on convince me.

So it was nothing to do with opposition being good it was solely down to Trott being 'embarrassing?'

You're determined to have an argument aren't you.
Look sunshine, I asked you to give me anything positive about his innings, you haven't. My comment is solely about Trott's performance. It was abysmal. I'm not adding to or taking away from the Aussie bowling or aggression but if Trott didn't know what was coming then he was the only one because everyone watching it knew he was going to be targeted by Johnson and he was like a rabbit in headlights like I said earlier. Like Dibble said he was scared. Now he may or may not put this right, time will tell but if he does I'll congratulate him.My comments then will be on his performance then but it won't change my comments or opinions on his performance last night ( our time ).
Savvy???

I'm not arguing I just thought Bell and Priors wickets were worse (as soft as they come) and to describe Trott as embarrassing and to say it's was one of the worst performances in Test history is ever so slightly over the top in the face of some good hostile fast bowling.

That's not arguing it's a different view, a different view isn't a personal attack.

Where did I say that it was one of the worst performances in Test History????

You can't really lay any blame at the bowlers' door so far. To bowl the Aussies out like we did was an excellent display. It was also our bowlers that bailed us out during the series in England more often than not and one or two great individual batting displays aside.

The blame, needless to say as it's so obvious, lies squarely at the collective door of the batsmen. I said yesteday that our batting has not been that good for some time now and this horrendous collapse goes some way to confirming our worst fears. Australia bowled well but to be dismissed for 136 is a trully pitiful effort.

I questioned Tremlett's inclusion from the start and said he only appears to be going based on the fact he did quite well in Australia 3 years ago. But then again the position England find themselves in is not the bowlers fault so to highlight concerns about Tremlett seems a bit academic.

Ok, 'I am trying to remember a worse test performance than Trotts' is what's you said, I think that's way over the top.

Also saying he was scared is just plain wrong and again over the top. Trotts trigger movement is towards off stump. He is still making that movement against Johnson which is getting him into trouble. If he was scared of the ball his initial movement would be towards square leg. To ask what was 'positive' is a daft question he got out for not many and was worked over, no real positives but that doesn't warrent over the top criticsm either.

Be as condescending as you look like sunshine it's just my opinion

Good planning from the Aussies, top bowling from Johnson and a bit of fragile confidence on Trotts part.

Trott cook and prior are badly in need of some test form. Its harsh especially on cook but he's set the bar so high you just expect 50s and 100s. The same with trott and 50s with prior. Ultra consistent last time round over here but in the summer the form had dipped and today all 3 were woeful for me. Trott as said was embarrassing. There is no other way to describe it. How can an international batsmen be afraid of a delivery. He's world class and hopefully its a minor blip because I don't see a replacement. We all know what he can do when at his best.

The blame lies everywhere for me. Even topscorer carberry who just clammed up and went from being positive to just defensive as fuck. Playin with a new batsmen and seeing the ball well he had to take the lead and allow the others to get in but it was as if he was the new batsmen. Very strange watching it. Broad can hold his head up but that's it. Completely unacceptable innings and we must improve. We used to play like that over here in the past but we are now supposably 1 of the worlds beat sides but we looked like Bangladesh. That pitch was not a 136 pitch. We should have set them a good 200 and looking to win the game comfortably but now rain and a draw is all we can hope for.

Dreading tonight

The worst thing would be if they make the pitch look like a flat road, and turn their batters into flat track bullies, and smash us all over the ground.

It will just make those saying it was a very hostile pitch look rather silly.

We need the bowlers to pull out of the shit yet again, but they didnt exactly make a good start second innings, and Swann made Lyons look the better bowler.

Oh and Mr Boycott agrees it was pathetic.

He is a good enough judge for me.

So asking you to mention anything positive about Trott's innings has you stumped ( no pun intended) so you dismiss it as daft. That's because there aren't any positives, which is why it was embarrassing. It's not daft at all, it is my opinion and I generously gave you the opportunity to convince me otherwise and you can't.
Mr Trott was like a cat on a hot tin roof, hopping about like a frog who's about to grace the dinner table of a Poxy Frenchman.
I know what he is capable of but last night he was no where near his A game and was embarrassing and I would dare bet in his heart of hearts he agrees with me. I watched every ball of his innings and am struggling to pick one where he excelled and, as you can't pinpoint anything positive about his innings, you can't either.
That is embarrassing coming from a normally class batsman.
As I said earlier my comments are purely centred on that performance.
I might have conceded him some leeway if it was a hostile pitch but it wasn't.
He's going to get a chance to redeem himself in our second innings, as are others, let's see if his performance was a one off. I hope so and wish him well.
Although if he does manage a decent score on a pitch where cracks are appearing already he will actually make his first effort look even more embarrassing. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't you could say but that is the legacy you get from abysmal performances.
I hope he is ashamed of his performance as well as embarrassed because it is totally unacceptable, in my opinion.

well like I said, Boycott thought it was pathetic. If he thinks it is then I would take that over PJ opinion. Sorry PJ.

And Pietersen. I know you love him but he isn't doing it.

Bad day against a good team. See what happens.

Was that like when he battered his missus and said 'she started it??'

He's a complete curmudgeonly 'lovely lovely person' and one of the most abysmally boring players ever. He must be shagging the TMS producer.

Geoff Boycott a champion of understanding I'd have thought he actually found it 'patheteeek' and suggesting his mother could have seen Johnson off with a stick of Rubarb.

You are questioning his bravery though when it's technical flaw being exposed by good fast bowling, he's getting too far over towards off stump and outside. He needs a complete rethink when facing Johnson. I can assure you he isn't scared of a cricket ball to suggest that about someone who's scored as many runs as he has is almost laughable.

To lose the two cheap wickets we did to Lyon was soft, Pietersen's was soft it was just a horrible day were nothing went right.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.........surely only Mr Tax can comment as he's the only one there??

I am not saying he is scared in general, but he was terrified this innings. You cant have players playing for your country playing like that.

Fuck me man, it was only Johnson..............we have made out to be bloody robocop.

I didn't realise you have a Live feed of every single second of Pools matches plus three highlights packages and three hours if in depth analysis after ever game? Pools World is well worth £3.99 a month.

They've been harsh on you Mr Spender

Oh, and I know you didnt mean to, but you really have just made it sound like you know more than Boycott.

On current form he's arguably the fastest bowler in the World and he has over 200 Test wickets at a better average than both Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad, he's hardly shit is he!? He was out of form for a couple of years yes, at the moment he'd get in any team in the World. It seems the Aussies are picking people on form not because they did well three years ago.

The spinner we are making look miles better than he is, we're giving him far too much respect.

Yeah of course I did, but are you suggesting that because someone is a pundit you have agree with everything they say? Part of his appeal that he is at times over critical, I love listening to the bloke talk about cricket though and still think he should be used more by the England set up to work with the batsmen.

I never said I have.

The Bunker creed is 'if you're not there, shut up.'

Are you watching 15 hours of cricket a day then?

You can't quote 'in depth analysis,' because it's someone else's opinion.

Do try and keep up.

Can I just take the opportunity to mention Steve Howard in this thread.

I don't know why but neither do I know where this bizarre rant is coming from?

What time is it in a China, has drink been taken?

This thread epitomises the Bunker people debating whether one bloke is embarrassing or not while someone else randomly gets pissed off in China about people saying he shouldn't comment on Pools matches he hasn't seen in a thread about The Ashes that's taking place in Australia.

Can someone start some fish puns and start taking about how shite England are at Football then we've just got about everything covered.

Maybe. I'm certainly not as confused as you.

Who's in China, like??

Good cod, England are utter shite at every sport, just ask the Dibbsmeister.

And it's an inadmissible argument saying the other team or player had a good day, 'cos why weren't England having a good day then?

And Steve Howard was spotted today in the crowd at the Gabba, wearing an Australia shirt and taking the piss out of Kevin Pietersen. FACT.

We are not shite at Cricket. We are not shite at Rugby, Cycling, and probably other sports.

The current lot playing at the so called top end of english football are most definitely shite.

Englands batsmen were pathetic yesterday. Dont take my word for it. Read Boycotts column.

So you are wrong. But it was good to help, as reading seems an issue.

and when it comes to the pinnacle event, there isnt time to say the other team played well. That should never be admitted to, by anyone.

It's Friday. It's five to five (ish). It's -

the usual suspects on here taking themselves far too seriously.

Oh I dont know. By the way Crackerjack was spelt with a C.

Oh and you posted that at 5:15. Nowhere near Five to five.

Couldn't be arsed staying up past 2 nights as I had work.. Watching it now.. great start!

We need to keep bowling sub 80 mile an hour long hops and we'll skittle them!

Two awful Aussie shots this morning but we've bowled well and give them nothing, two of the poorer balls have taken wickets.

Actually the Watson wicket wasn't a bad ball just an appalling shot.

Come on Broady knock Clarke over now and it might get interesting.

we may have bowled well in the first session, but we bowled utter bobbins after that.

Well over 300 runs scored in 2 and a bit sessions, suggests its not a hostile track at all, unless of course Johnson is so much better than our bowlers.

Its a good batting track, and England have 6 and a half sessions to get 560.

But will they believe its a good batting track?

Oh here comes robcop. Shit we are fucked.

and our bowling with the new ball was embarrassing.

The first two and a bit overs suggests the aussies are bowling with a hand granade.

That cant be fair surely?

How can they use this when we bowled with a tennis bowl?

and we are already behind the run rate.

fuck me.

1 for 1.

Why are we batting on a different pitch?

I think England should try and lose this tonight, and at least they can laugh as the Gabba will lose money.

That was desperately unlucky Dibble. The ball hit near the middle of his bat.

Well PJ how you going to defend Trott now?

That was a disgrace.

Looks like they are taking your advice

the aussies will be laughing their cocks off.

We suddenly have a very weak under belly.

Homework done, and we look like muppets.

Now that WAS embarrassing

If he can't sort his head out against Johnson he can't possibly play at Adelaide. That wasn't even a short ball he is just moving way too far across and has no balance or control.

sorry PJ, that sounded like I was blaming you for Trotts shot.

You really do have to laugh though.

Especially as Peiterson has just tried to run Cook out.

Johnson is actually bowling shite here, but we are going to get out down the leg side again.

Just finished the days play.

Well firstly what the fuck was cook doing persisting with Swann and Root.He may as well have just said to Clarke and Warner there ya are lads have a ton. There was hardly any turn yet they Bowled an extreme amount of overs. Tremlett was selected to help broad and Anderson so why the fuck is root bowling so many overs.

Trott, again embarrassing, there really are no other words. He needs dropping and that is a fact. We're gona be 1 down barring rain and we can't afford to carry anyone because they used to be in form. Looking at the squad id actually consider playing Ben stokes and moving bell up to 3. Put root at 5 and stokes at 6. This will add a 4th seamer and also much needed assistance to broad and Anderson. Root should not be bowling that amount. Can't see many agreeing with that but seriously why not. Bell will be fine at 3 and we need some more pace.

Something has to change because this performance just isn't acceptable at all

So Mr Trott does it once again. This time he wasn't just an embarrassment but also a joke. What an utter inept performance.
He lobs one to square leg, it drops fortuitously between two fielders but does he learn....nah, because not long after he lobs another one straight down Lyon's throat.
Until he sorts this out he is a liability.
Carberry was just plain unlucky.
We're in the trenches now, let's try and make SOME positive strides.

Somehow bet365 have the run line at 282.5 10/11 over /under

Even Paul Daniels couldn't get us out of this.