That referee took piss with that added time. Long time since I blamed officials for a defeat but the referre won that we didn't lose it

Strangely he managed to find 3 extra minutes in the first half, so by his own standards there should have been at least 6 additional minutes in the second half ?

It must have been close to four minutes when their striker feigned injury after scoring when flagged offside. Six substitutions at thirty seconds a pop would have been another three. And that is before you even take into account how long the keeper was taking for every goalkick.

The problem with added minutes is that a number is just picked by most refs as a token rather than massively representative of the game.

Fans have been getting ripped off for years, you pay to watch 90 minutes yet the ball is only active in play for 60-65 minutes.

I think the clock should be stopped when the ball goes out for corners, goal kicks and free kicks when a team allocates not to take it quickly and each half should end once the ball goes dead.

I know our Management team are far too professional to criticise the ref' upfront, but I will do it for them ....he was a Grade A Cock. That aside we had ample chances to win that match tonight, we just didn't convert enough of them. But I'm more than satisfied by the quality of the performance.

Danny Wilson's Tombola is used to determine the amount of time to be added on at The Vic.

FACT.

Hodcroft's mam insists that it is used in these times of FFP.

The ball is out of play for 30 minutes every match?!!!

I can't say I agree with that FB. He got a lot of little decisions wrong but there were no key game changing decisions that he had to make.

We lost because we only scored once, I'm not convinced we'd have scored more with any other referee in charge. His performance was disgraceful all the same.

Average is around 70 mins so its not a bad guess. Sky often show the on play stats and its generally around the 20 minute mark.

There keeper wasted about 5 of those

His full performance was shocking. He have us nothing all game. They were 1 if the dirtiest sides we've faced for many a year. Humpty Dumptys tactics were simply awful

Cooper was seething with the officials for basically the full game. Enjoyed seeing the passion he showed, even when he lost his rag and mis-kicked the ball. I hope he told the red at the end about how poor he was.

they were manhandling Pools players left, right and centre and getting away with it. They must still have had 6 or 7 players booked by my reckoning? Pools were quality last night, just the finish missing.

Let's hope it returns on Friday

I would have thought it was fairly obvious the ball is in active for around that sort of time, its not that hard to work out.

If the average goal kick takes 20 seconds from the ball leaving play to being active again and you have 30 in a game that's 10 minutes to start with. How long do some free kicks take to setup? Subs, injuries, corners it all adds up.

We would all get better value if a clock system similar to rugby, american football was used.

you would also be there all night.

The clock doesn't stop in Rugby does it? And American football must be the dullest sport in the sport on the World it would be better if it didn't take about four hours.

Anyway I can just see it "In association with Jonny's madcap ideas the referee has indicated 37 minutes of added time" as the crowd groan 'we've got homes to go to' and 'the pub is open'

I have never personally felt ripped off by someone knocking it out for a goal kick. We don't need to reinvent the wheel the game is fine as it is you just need a strong referee who has any sort of level of competence two things baldy knapper who was lacking by a mile last night.

Can you imagine how long games would last at the Rec? The clock stops every time the ball is booted 100 yards onto the next pitch, and the keeper at the far end doesnt know where the ball came from, so kicks it to the wrong pitch.

10:30 kick off. Full time 2:30pm.

This, him and the pair of oxygen thieves running the lines were a fucking disgrace.

I sometimes get the feeling when people see a Hartlepool home game they get sick and the only officials left are the ones that even the FA don't really want to use.

It's hardly even been mentioned that in the lead up to the corner for the first goal the Rotherham forward was five yards offside and that Baldwin was clearly fouled in the lead up to the unbelievably flukey second.

I reckon Rotherham could have had no complaints had we won by 4 penalties and how nobody from their side was shown a red card is a miracle, Evans must have threatened to eat the referees children or something.

by the look of the fact 'lovely lovely person', I think he has already eaten some children.

It must be difficult to berate a fourth official whilst your team is getting away with an industrial sized wok up your jacket.

I can't say that I agree that there were no key game changing decisions that the referee had to make. Various parts of Rotherham's own match reports make interesting reading:
"Skarz was fortunate to escape a second yellow when he brought down Franks..."

"The home side then had strong appeals for a spot-kick when Mills appeared to bundle over Monkhouse in the box."

"... Agard became the latest player to ride his luck when he escaped sanction for bringing down Baldwin on the edge of the box."

"... the referee waved away strong appeals for a spot-kick when Milsom appeared to bundle over James."

At senior school we had a maths teacher whose discipline was woefully weak. After we'd been pissing about for a few minutes he would warn us, "I won't tell you again," but he did, again and again and we knew nothing would ever happen. It was like that last night - the Rotherham players had him sussed and he was too weak to keep control of the game.

And this is without mentioning the offside that preceded the first goal, the foul on Collins before the second, Collins being hauled to the ground by his right arm in their penalty area and then a similar offence on Sweeney, captured by the Hartlepool Mail - and if Sweeney hadn't been dragged to the ground, but was being prevented from getting up, well, it's still a foul.

Agard was also fortunate to escape a booking for inciting the crowd before he was given a yellow card. What was that all about? There hadn't been much chew up to that point.
Nah, the referee bottled big decisions, particularly ignoring things in the area that he would have blown for anywhere else on the pitch.

About 15 seconds after his yellow Agard showed clear dissent towards the piss weak baldy doil as well. Throwing his arms at the ref after he gave us a throw in. That is a also a yellow card.

Skarz was subbed off before he was sent off.

Am I right in thinking Skarz was on loan to us at one point?

His name rings a bell

Yes, under Danny Wilson or Turner. That season were Wilson left I think.

He played 7 times for us in 2009, on loan from dear old Huddersfield. He looked a good lad at the time and it must have been nice for him, having a break from playing for one cynical bunch of bastards before ending up with another. He did have a spell playing for Bury under Richie Barker who was, of course, a gentleman.

In rugby union internationals the ref will quite often stop the clock. I don't watch Rugby League but I think they have an official time keeper with a hooter.

In American Football the clock is stopped for a down but doesn't stop if a player runs off the side.

And the referee wouldn't indicate any injury if the clock was stopped so stop being thick PJ....

Strong and competent refs

So what you are proposing is that a clock is stopped every time the ball goes out of play then is restarted as it comes back into play? I reckon we 'd still be at last nights game. The scoreboard would have short circuited in the second half leaving us all with no idea how long was left.

It sounds like the type of things Yanks who had never seen a game of Football before were suggesting before the 1994 World Cup.

We also need better value for money regarding goals so let's make them bigger.

Practically every set piece had them holding a Pools player and stopping them from making a run. The referee wasn't even watching the box when a corner was coming in, he would watch the corner taker. Zero chance of spotting blatant fouls when he isn't even looking at the area where the fouls are being committed.

No the clock would continue for throw ins teams would have the option to play one ball or multi ball.

If the clock was stopped - Would players still feign injury? Would goalkeepers still take 30 seconds to take goal kicks? Would subs still take ages to get off the field?

I sat in the CK and I started to watch where the ref was looking when we got a free kick or corner . Not once did he seem to look in the area , instead he watched the player run up and take the kick in entirety, so the Rotherham players must have noticed and did all their holding/tugging and he never even spotted ANY of it. He must therefore have tunnel vision, and if he has he should not be out there

If he does have peripheral vision, then he should not be out there on account of being incompetent

It would do absolutely nothing to speed the game up. If a team was under he cosh the keeper would still slow things down the trying and halt the momentum of an attacking team and the sting out of things. They could probably get away with it more as it isn't actually time wasting and they wouldn't be risking a booking. A lot of Rotherham's 'play' in the second half on Tuesday was more to break our momentum and make the game bitty than all specific time wasting. Cynical or sly fouls have nothing to do with time wasting.

How about like in Ice Hockey putting a Perspex wall around the pitch so it never goes out of play? That's cracking value for money ....

To be honest the Linesman on the Mill House side must have struggled to get his shoes on, he couldn't see blatant fouls 6 feet in front of him and missed everything that happened in the box or on the other side of the field.

I've never seen someone so reluctant to make a decision, we could have just dressed some kid who didn't even know what football was in black, gave him a flag and said run up and down. He would have been as effective but cheaper.

Was talking to a lad who is a linesman and he says some referees tell the linesmen to simply flag for offside and the ball going out of play, every other decision the ref will make. Utter tossers imo.