Copped for the big one, not many curries where they are going!

Here's me thinking when I opened this thread the IPL had a new franchise.

Need to bring back the death penalty in the UK !

Sam Hallam. Look it up.

last week..6 years for the wrong man

http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News ... 121729.htm

There will always be mistakes, we should just make the best system we can make and then sentence accordingly
We don't abolish prisons because a tiny percentage of innocent are jailed, it should be the same with the death penalty

I see ensuring people get the fairest trial possible and having the death penalty as a sentence 2 distinct issues

Hope you don't suffer a miscarriage of justice Mr Decker.

Plenty of stitch ups in the 70's & 80's. they'd be dead now

You are a fucking idiot. How can you just kill people a little bit?? There is no more I can say.

This is weird.

I agree with the loids and Spender at the same time.

Murdering rapists deserve a horrid death, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable making that decision.

Guildford Four.

Birmingham Six.

Stephen Dowling.

Hillsborough.

Need I go on??

We need an honest Police force before we start stringing people up. We've never had an honest Police force.

Agreeing with Spender but find it difficult to square it with how he can live in a country where the executed criminals family are sent the billl for the bullet

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Does any country in the World genuinely boast an 'honest' police force?

That lad was on breakfast TV during the week.

You can't really imagine going through anything worse than that.

Firstly your girlfriend has been murdered then you sentenced for life for doing it, when you didn't.

The death penalty for me is a far too quick end to someone's punishment if they deserve it. Someone who has committed a crime worthy of it should be confined in a cell until they day they die. Given the choice I think most people would choose the noose over that existence.

If the system worked appeal courts and the CCRC would not exist. Even with these, I suspect that there are a great number of innocent people who are convicted.

Nevertheless, the death penalty is simply uncivilised. Even if we could be certain that the suspect was guilty, is it right for the state to inflict that level of violence?

Not if you're after justice and a sane society. Not everybody is though so a good string them up rant is to be expected every now and again.

[quote="Spender"][quote="tripledecker"]There will always be mistakes, we should just make the best system we can make and then sentence accordingly
We don't abolish prisons because a tiny percentage of innocent are jailed, it should be the same with the death penalty

I see ensuring people get the fairest trial possible and having the death penalty as a sentence 2 distinct issues

Certain crimes should IMO be punishable by death, side by side with that work should be done to improve the system, as chip points out this is happening through technology
And I mean all countries

I understand that argument more than the miscarriage if justice one, its not an easy answer, but I would say certain crimes are so horrific they dehumanize the perpetrator to an extent that I would be comfortable with the death penalty (some murders/ child abuse etc...)

Hislop totally destroys the argument for the death penalty here (if there is any argument for it)..Pity you can't see it Spender you'd enjoy it. Don't know if this link works in China but here's an article on it .. http://www.theweek.co.uk/people-news/19 ... th-penalty

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But I'm not sure Hislop says much that posters above haven't said already ie that there's a possibility of getting a conviction wrong and that this would have a number of bad consequences including executing an innocent person?

I agree with the people who've said that the over-riding consideration should be that the State makes civilised decisions. Killing people is wrong unless in a situation where you have to do it to avoid a greater evil.

hmm not sure how anyone can totally destroy either side of what is a complex argument (certainly not in a 2 minute clip)
appreciate people have strong feelings on this

What about people who get life in prison after being wrongly convicted and that never gets overturned and they die in prison....using a lot of the absoloute arguments here, that would also be a reason never to have life in prison as a punishment.
and if people then say that is a lot rarer/there is more of a chance to get it over-turned etc, then surely we are no longer talking about a binary answer and instead are talking about degrees....which goes back to the argument of improving the justice system overall.

Got to agree with the anti-death penalty thing.

An old mate of mine has been in jail 11 years serving life for a crime he hasn't done. Under capital punishment, he'd be dead by now, in fact he almost is. You have no idea how bad high security jails can be (Frankland in his case). Therefore the punishment would fit the crime in most cases, unfortunately in his, it doesn't. The campaign goes on.

Make the guilty suffer. We've been handing out longer and longer sentences for years. It's very rare now to find a murder convict given under 25 years to serve. With the budget cuts, things are getting harsher and harsher in there. But let the fookers who say they're innocent (which is still only a fraction) a right to appeal - do any of you know how much it costs to launch an appeal? 10s of thousands. They don't come easy. So many arguments against the death penalty it's untrue.

Well how about, 'it's a fucking sight harder to get your conviction overturned when you're dead??'

By the way Mr Offshore, they mostly use lethal injection here. There's no bill to the family. That's an urban myth.

so your concern is routed in the reliability of the justice system as oppose to the moral conundrum?

Do you know anything about the courts and police in this country?

fat man
I am saying its a clearly separate argument

1. The courts in this country are unreliable enough for me to have reservations about the death penalty
2. No matter how reliable courts are I still think it is not right to execute people

you see how they are 2 completely different arguments right?

Right move to hang the fuckers, the country has major problems in that area, hopefully it can act as a deterent and also rids the planet of some pure evil.