FFS this is looking very grim now.............

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:02 pm

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hli ... ston+plans

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:12 pm

Could we not do as someone suggested in another thread and tell them they can use our ground? It has to be in our interest to do it, let the fans in for nowt, and pay both teams expenses if necessary, anything is better than risking losing the 6 points we gained against them, if their records are 'expunged' :shock:

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:13 pm

if the worst happened, our points total would become 82, Swindon's would become 80, MK's would become 68, Walsall's would become 83.
The F.L. are not helping in this either, as they are withholding £100,000 of sponsorship money from Boston because they are afraid they won't finish the season. Well they are seeing to it that they don't with that attitude. And potentially f-uc-king Pools up again, the bast-ards.

Walsallmom · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:52 pm

Chill I don't think it will happen.

but then what do I care if it does, cheating dirty scum anyway,Boston not you lot :uhoh:

poolieboydave · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:45 am

Its going to happen isn't it, clearly we've pissed off someone at the football league and as they say these things happen in threes (cheaterfield, rotherscum and now boston).

Surely we are the most dicked over club in history??

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:04 am

parmopooly wrote:

if the worst happened, our points total would become 82, Swindon's would become 80, MK's would become 68, Walsall's would become 83.
The F.L. are not helping in this either, as they are withholding £100,000 of sponsorship money from Boston because they are afraid they won't finish the season. Well they are seeing to it that they don't with that attitude. And potentially f-uc-king Pools up again, the bast-ards.

If this happens and Boston go out of business, it won't mean that the FL don't have to pay Boston. What WILL happen is that their Receiver/Administrator/Liquidator (Harry J and The All Stars!! :grin:

) will collect the money after the event and it'll go straight into their pocket in 'fees,' as voted for.........by the Liquidator. Obviously the Boston creditors will see nowt, as ever, except for the IR, VATman, and maybe the bank.

It stinks. :evil:

But unfortunately, it's always like that.

What we could do is host their game on Sunday 6th May but obviously there'd have to be permission from the FL and do you think that would be forthcoming??

I wouldn't hold your breath.

On the upside, if there's an eviction notice to be enforced on Thursday in the Courts, there's a very real chance that the bench would give them a stay of execution for seven days and allow them to finish their games if Boston asked for it. The question would be 'why not' instead of 'why,' particularly as the League would HAVE to pay them if they finished their games. Debtors Courts don't deal in bullshit and they wouldn't see 100K going down the pan if it could come into the payment arrangement with a delay in the eviction notice. My guess is it won't come to that and they'll agree out of court.

I sincerely hope I'm right. :roll:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36484

Just suppose the worst case scenario happened...and we ended up finishing second, Walsall would be the joke champions and the whole of football would know it, it would be a millstone round their necks.
I honestly can't see it happeneing though.

katcha · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:15 am

chip fireball wrote:

i cant see a club being allowed to fold 2 games before the end of a season, but what do i know ? cant they just give torquay the 3 points. its not like its gonna make any bloody difference to anyone, wheras expunging all the results from bostons 44 completed league games would rob us of a possible title.

those of us with serious sums of money invested in the outcome of the title are gonna be seriously hacked off if swindon are the eventual winners.

its noticeable how when clubs like brighton were in the shiit, des lynham and his media chums rallied round and saved the day. im sure we all remember their fans united day.

when its the little guys though like boston, and aldershot and maidstone and newport they just sit back and allow clubs to die.

theres something seriously wrong in setting up a pyramid system and allowing anyone from your local pub team upwards to aspire to playing in the football league, then dumping them when they get there.

the old re-election system was unfair but at least it guaranteed any new members had the finances to enable it to cope.

we now have a system where tiny clubs are suddenly appearing in the football league, shining brightly, and then dying.

grays athletic nearly made it last year ffs. dagenham are coming up next season. how long will they last ?

accrington have been in the league one season and are having to let fans in for free. rushden collapsed as soon as their sugar daddy pulled the plug. kidderminster lasted a few seasons and were nearly wiped out financially. maidstone didnt even have a ground of their own, so how were they ever gonna survive ?

you go to places like barnet and macclesfield and they are non league clubs with non league grounds and non league attendances playing in the football league. when you look at the conference theres only really oxford with the set-up to make a go of things.

unless the f.a. are going to put financial assistance in place for clubs at the bottom of the food chain then these types of scenarios are always going to occur, and clubs like cambridge and halifax and scarborough will be allowed to die.

fook me an absolutely top post clappp

garthwd · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:23 am **Posts:** 785

MadJohn wrote:

Fooking Hell, here's their bill :shock:

CSA - Brad Maylett £1,775.43
CSA - Francis Green £1,100.38

They even have the CSA after them, no wonder they are in deep shit

parmopooly · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:34 am

I really don't see a way out of this for them now. There's no sugar daddy coming over the horizon to save Boston. Another club living beyond its means to compete in th FL - and guess which club will feel the direct impact of any expulsion they might get, despite being nowhere near them in the League.
I'm very worried by this now, all the queuing up for Rochdale tickets and all the arguing may have been for nothing.
FFS I hope they finish the season.
If they don't , there should be no championship awarded by default. A team comes top on the basis of playing 46 games - not 46 then scratch two, so that the second placed or even third placed team leapfrogs the true champions using administration, as opposed to playing on a football pitch.

Hawklord · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:27 pm **Posts:** 3115

Just had a quick look at the Boston United site - no mention of the crisis on there. They were discussing someone to sponsor the match v Torquay on Saturday whereby everyone could get in for free - as no one has come up with the funds this will not go ahead (free entry that is).
You would think if it was going to be their last 2 weeks as a football club there would be some mention.

Having read MJ's article, they do look in dire straits. Who / what is Lavaflow who are owed 1.4 million?

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

http://www.yourearthourworld.co.uk/Plan ... tement.pdf

Its funny how the stated name in the planning application is CUCKOO LAND :laugh:

stupoolie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:48 pm

chip fireball wrote:

put it this way, if watford announced tomoro that they were going under and there was a possibility of their points being expunged and the premiership title/relegation/eurpean qualification being affected then the f.a. would be doing something about it.

cos its shitty little division 2 nobody seems to care.

given they only have torquay and wrexham left to play why not just award wrexham and torquay the 3 points. torquay would still be relegated along with boston and nobody would be affected.

i could see the logic in expunging results if they folded mid-season but with 2 games left ????? it would be madness.

Yeah 44 games in the season & to take points off the teams that rightfully beat them is wrong!
I think as said that they should just give 3 points to each Torquay & Wrexham, Thus already helping to confirm Torquays relegation & Wrexham finding safety & Boston going down

It is strange how absolutley no-one has tried to save them

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:11 pm

Lavaflow, the biggest creditor, turns out to be the holding company, so they owe themselves almost half of their debt. Take away the IR and the Vatman and they look quite healthy.

This makes interesting reading:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/ ... ed_pi.html

Albatross · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:00 pm

chip fireball wrote:

theres something seriously wrong in setting up a pyramid system and allowing anyone from your local pub team upwards to aspire to playing in the football league, then dumping them when they get there.

the old re-election system was unfair but at least it guaranteed any new members had the finances to enable it to cope.

we now have a system where tiny clubs are suddenly appearing in the football league, shining brightly, and then dying.

I think part of the problem is that the well set-up clubs have by now come into the league and stayed here, while the lame ducks from the league have gone down and stayed down - so now we're at the stage of teams without really having the setup are coming up. Wycombe for example have come into the league and done all right overall, Donny spent several years at a lower level and then came back stronger than ever (thanks to Ryan's money admittedly). I suspect Dagenham will do OK providing they don't lose their heads and try to live beyond their means. But the likes of Boston were always on a hiding to nothing, and having tried (and failed) to keep up with the Joneses will end up busted down to a lower level than they ever would have gone if they'd stayed where they were.

If some of the teams want a model, maybe they ought to look at Watford. Twice they've gone up to the Prem, and twice been relegated in their first season - but then again, neither time have they gone mad and spent heavily in a doomed effort to stay up. As a result when the inevitable has happened they've been in good shape. Compare that with Bradford, who having stayed up one season and got carried away now look possibilities for being in the basement next season after years of financial struggle.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36484

Lavaflow...? I had visions of them having four big lavalamps instead of floodlights :laugh:

Albatross · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:01 pm

I think there are still some clubs capable of making a step up, but it's getting hard to justify the two places at the moment. Admittedly there's not many clubs coming up and going straight back down, but they do seem to get into difficulties with regularity and we're reaching the stage now where as often as not they hang around the bottom of the league rather than making a real impact of the division. It's a long way from Conference being Division 5 which is how they seemed to want to be back in the day.

It's better though than the Scottish system I think, where there is no advancement at all for the most part. Any ambitious clubs that want to take a step up have to wait for a vacancy (Gretna got in because Airdrie went bust). Apparently there's now a rule in place that if a team finished bottom about 4 years running they might have to seek re-election, so it's either hope East Stirling continue to flatline, wait for someone to go bust, or (as Airdrie Utd did with Clydebank) buy a club that's already in the SFL and move them to your own patch.....

dawlishmonkey · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:53 am **Posts:** 1588

thats a ridiculous argument. you can only have promotion if you have crowds over 3000? or where would you set you're bench mark.don't forget under that argument pools would be in the conference many times. yeovil haven't always been well supported and cheltenham certainly aren't. clubs build a following based on success and/or working with the community.
to me there's a huge opportunity for "local" clubs to get hold of kids who can't afford prem prices and get them in to league grounds.

newcastlepoolie · **Joined:** Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:21 pm **Posts:** 15

The criteria for promotion to the Football League should not only depend upon results on the pitch but also ground condition and a sound financial base. These are broad headings but it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to work out some detail.

Some of the struggling clubs have been at a geographical disadvantage such as Scarborough and Boston, they are never going to get massive crowds so how are they going to finance their operation.

What happened to this wage capping rule that hindered our progress earlier this season. Did Boston comply with it and if not what did the FA do.

I wouldn't want to go back to the old days of re-election, I like the idea of clubs moving up and down and finding their own level but the higher the level the more stringent the criteria should be for acceptance.

Boston has been an accident waiting to happen and the FA must accept some responsibility for not intervening earlier. Too often decisions made by the blazered ones hinge on self interest or the interests of the club, league or division they represent. Its about time the FA was run as an independant organisation and not by people from within the game who have their own agendas.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:26 pm

There are plenty of clubs in the Conference with the means but not the success.

Oxford, York, Exeter, Halifax, and Cambridge have always proved themselves "big" enough for division 4 when they've been in it. Stevenage and Crawley would easily get enough attendance to put them at least among the middle runners. Others may be able to claim the same - I don't know enough about them to confirm that or not.

So no, I don't think the pit is drained dry yet. There are more viable clubs watiing to come up than there are non-viable ones itching to go back down.

Hawklord · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:27 pm **Posts:** 3115

Pooliekev wrote:

Lavaflow, the biggest creditor, turns out to be the holding company, so they owe themselves almost half of their debt. Take away the IR and the Vatman and they look quite healthy.

This makes interesting reading:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/ ... ed_pi.html

Thanks for that Kev - does explain quite a lot.

Hawklord · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:27 pm **Posts:** 3115

We live near Cambridge, there's been much talk over the last few years of City & United combining to form 1 club. United have consistently produced good players and sold them on for large sums, going back to Dion Dublin to Manchester United for £1m to Kitson the Reading striker, Micah Hyde, Jody Morris and the young keeper Ruddy they sold to Everton a year or two back. Despite all the transfers they always seem to be in financial difficulties despite being in an affluent area. Many supporters are transient and as Chip says are students. Another problem for both Cambridge clubs is that Histon, also very near to Cambridge, are the Nationwide Conference South Champions. A lot of people around Cambridge support West Ham, Spurs or Arsenal - sound familiar?

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:58 pm

chip fireball wrote:

the first time i went to cambridge united was for a night game. i got to the train station, which was in the middle of nowhere, and began looking for the ground.

i asked about half a dozen people before i found one that even knew they had a football ground. he advised me to get a bus and told me the number and where the bus stop was.

when i got on the bus the bus driver didnt even know which stop was nearest the ground, he only had a vague idea.

despite it being dark i couldnt see any floodlights, and was reluctant to get off when the bus driver suggested i do so.

i again asked passers-by for directions. eventually this bloke walking his dog said to me :

" youre stood outside the ground mate. thats it there. but the game was called off this afternoon. the pitch is waterlogged ( it was the days before mobile phones 87, 88 ? ) "

ive been a few times since and the hawklord is right. lots of west ham and spurs tops.

Me and MonkeyHarris went years, but got lost
We saw Pools team coach andthought it would be wise to follow that....

However, the driver was lost as well and pulled up outside Cambridge Cities ground :laugh:

SaigonSaddler · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:04 pm

I am growing the like the word 'expunged'. I'm not proud and will take the title by any means necessary, even if it means by default.......yes I have no morals. clappp

SaigonSaddler · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:06 pm

chip fireball wrote:

we went to hull a couple of years ago on " mcsweenietours" bus for a night game. kick off was 7.45 and at 7.41 exactly the cock of a driver pulled up proudly outside the derelict and decidedly unlit boothferry park and announced :

" there you go then. i told you i wasnt lost. "

best episode this season was the now legendary poolymad extravangza coach trip to macclesfied. our 5 hour journey took in ripon racecourse, skipton, harrogate and the big white balls on the moors. our piss stop, i kid you not, was at the blackburn travelodge. look it up on a map and weep.

Yikes!

parmopooly · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:35 am

parmopooly · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:36 am

sorry I mean - that's shocking

parmopooly · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:36 am

nah, bollocks - rolfl

parmopooly · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:38 am

was Mr Lightning Tree driving? He's got less idea which way to go than the contestants in the 100m for people with no sense of direction.

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:18 am

SaigonSaddler wrote:

I am growing the like the word 'expunged'. I'm not proud and will take the title by any means necessary, even if it means by default.......yes I have no morals. clappp

Interesting times, I mean, I've never seen a Walsall fan nailed upside down to a tree. :roll:

aptid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:49 pm **Posts:** 1506

prssure off as according to the echo

"Fears that financially-embarrassed Boston will not be able to see the season out have eased, after a deal was agreed with creditors to save the club.

Pools have done the double over Boston, but Walsall took just two points and, if they folded and results were expunged from League Two, The Saddlers would be a point ahead.

But the club will enter a CVA once their future on the field is resolved, to avoid a ten-point penalty and certain relegation They are currently two points from safety with two games to go.

clappp

FFS this is looking very grim now.............

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