Nice to hear Gareth Southgate has been listening to us re playing football..maybe this is the philosophy that CC is trying to adopt...on a side issue how many want The Ukraine to win tonight and make sure all these hard pressed premiershit shysters have a summer on the couch watching the telly..

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No i dont want ukraine to win i want england to win and i want us to go the world cup.

i dont care who they play for for 3 weeks of the month when they play for england i shall support them.

Not sure who id describe in the squad as a shyster??

I was refering to all the ones who are "injured" and can't be arsed to go in the first place.

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Won't be too worked up about the result but I'll be watching because it has a lot riding on it so should be a good, hard fought match. Will be interesting to see England's approach given the fact that a draw would be a decent result but a win would effectively see them qualified.

Well im sure sturridge will be fit for liverpool this weekend.

thats his choice though if hes fibbing he's missing out big time.

Lampards winning his 100th cap tonight n thats something to look back on, if sturridge doesnt wanna be part of that then thats up to him, i'd rather have someone like lambert upfront whose buzzing to be there.

I didnt even know we were playing.

Me neither but once Mr Offshore mentioned it I googled the whole thing and discovered a tournament called the World Cup. It sounds like it could be quite good to watch and it is on during the summer when there isn't much other football.

hodgsons one of the most negative managers going i can see us sitting back n playing for a draw.

Milner on the left wing, give me strength!

Id love him to play a blinder and he does work hard but he's just not very exciting n doesnt do anything but protect the full back.

Not sure why anyone would want England to lose, I often think a few on here say these things to impress others.

Is it on 'normal' Telly????

yeah channel 3 unfortunatly.

Mute it is then.

I don't get some peoples negative attitude against the national team. I always look forward to watching England. I can't wait for the World Cup next year, regardless if we don't stand a chance of winning.

Milner, if he does play on the left, is likely to be up against Yeven Konoplyanka who scored that corker at Wembley in the first match. That will be an interesting battle and I can see Ukraine targeting this side quite a lot.

For all the usual pre-match bluster and Ukraine's recent impressive form it's still the same team that has already been held to a draw by Moldova and they still have that goalie (Pyatov I think) from the Euro's who is far from dependable.

I'm looking forward to the game.

I'm English and I love football and look forward to each and every England game wether were favourites to win or not. Supporting pools nobody is used to success so why slag the national side off. 1 day we will actually win something and all the pretend haters will be out celebrating.

I agree some say stuff on here simply to impress others.

I couldn't give a shit what any of them earn or any Fuka of here earns to be honest. I do care about my country though and want us to win every single game and would be absolutely gutted of we didnt qualify for the World Cup

Come on England

Agree with that, can't stand townsends commentary. Adrian chiles is a fucking crank aswell.

someone was on talksport the other day, an ex player.

He made an interesting comment.

He said he love England to win the world cup, or even challenge for it......a glorious failure.

Sadly, he thinks England will qualify just, but then go to the tournament and lay for draws just to try and squeeze through the group stage, as the manager is the most negative manager england have ever had.

He would rather we either qualified, took the shackles off, and went for it, or not qualify at all.

I agree.

This

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I used to want England to lose because I hated having to see the morons who made up the bulk of the travelling support 'no surrendering' their way around the world while intimidating decent fans and passersby from other countries. Now I get the impression that the balance between normal fans and nationalist arseholes is much better so I'm not anti- England any more, just not as bothered about them winning as some.

No one has but it would be a kind of justice for all those who declared themselves unfit for this vital game.

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No it wouldnt.

im 99.9% certain people who are injured for this game actually are injured.

rooney is, glen johnson left anfield with a protective boot on, andy carrolls deffo injured, welbeck suspended, sturridge will probs be fit for this weekend but hes hardly a regular anyway

all these injuries you keep mentioning which arent real are just a bit made up in your head i think.

Hodgson sees a draw as a win, therefore will be delighted with a 0-0

Whoever that pundit was on Talksport, he had it spot on.

We won't win owt with Hodgson in charge but if we fail on the back of a draw, he'll see it as a success.

Nevertheless, I always want us to win

In this thread just offshore but I've seen it written before on here in the past.

Don't particularly want England to lose, just don't care either way. Never been particularly interested in international football, if given the choice of England winning the World Cup or Pools getting 12 points from the next four games, it would definately be the latter, although they are both as unlikely to happen as each other !

Strange how people see/read things ..I never once stated I wanted England to lose . I did say it would serve some right if we didn't and they had to spend the summer watching the tournament like the rest of us.

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Can't see us losing tonight, 2-0 England with Lamps getting the first

You're right you didn't say you wanted England to lose but you suggested you wanted Ukraine to win.

i wanna know who these players are with fake injuries that he wants us to lose because of, they all seemed pretty genuine injuries to me.

its like saying you want pools to lose cos bradley walkers injured.

I think a draw would be a good result for England tonight. Qualification would still be in their own hands and Ukraine have been going through a good spell of form of late.

Ultimately England won't win anything until we start producing enough players who have the requisite skill and mental toughness to succeed. Otherwise we will continue to get found out in tournaments by teams and players who do.

Obviously it's a good thing that the senior people within the game now appear to be taking steps to try and put things right. Because clearly a country that loves football as much as England with all the resources and money at its disposal should really be capable of producing teams that can enter tournaments and make realistic assaults on winning them.

In the meantime I will continue to support the team.

i'd like too see us up the amount of coaches we have, we can have the best facilities in the world but if we are not teaching the players right from a young age then what is the point?

Making coaching courses a bit cheaper would help.

I'm looking at doing my badges, first course is about £160 though.

I looked it at myself last year joe n i just cant justify that type of dosh at the moment, if they want coaches then i think dropped the price would help massivly.

I struggle to actually give a shit.

I can go back through the late 70's and through the 80's and find pathetic England selections where even back then the best players were left out in favour of safe work horses.

Look at how few caps certain players got like Frank Worthington, Stan Bowles, and later Glenn Hoddle, Matt leTissier.

Glenn Hoddle only got a game at the world cup, due to injuries and suspensions.

Even Gazza was seen as a risk.

I doubt there is another country in world football that leaves out its most exciting players.............certainly as often as England have.

We are so fucking dull.

I can't disagree with any of that, apart from the 70's and most of the 80's memories.

Of course the problem now is that our top division and most of the division below is littered with teams full of foreign players, meaning the number of kids that ever break through is tiny and the number of Brits playing top level football in this country is much lower than it should be.

I can't/ don't/won't give a fuck because my one true football love is struggling like fuck right now

How the fuckety fuck can ANYONE be happy about another team winning... when Pools haven't got a 3 points against their name in the league?

Seriously?

There are plenty of successful English players over the last 20 years who have achieved at the top level (Champions League etc) yet England are perennial failures in tournaments. The problem is the daft set up we have. As long as we have the likes of Hodgson in positions of authority, we'll win nothing. Seriously, the bloke has won the sum total of nothing in his long illustrious career, nor have any of his assistants or advisors who have been in managerial or coaching positions

I also think this country's media is a massive disadvantage with their build them up/knock them down mentality

120quid 6 weeks course 2 days a week at grayfields for level 1 coaching
Or 50quid if the club you are going to coach at is going to pay

Matt le tissier was a good player but we had strikers at the time who were out playing him regularly. He done well to win any caps. At that time we had shearer Ferdinand fowler sheringham wright to name a few. Le tissier had a deal with Southampton that he didnt have to train as much as the other players, when it came to England training this showed. He has openly admitted this on football Saturday. Cracking player but stayed at Southampton because he wasnt fit enough to play for a top side.

Our media is a huge reason why we fuck up. Before every single tournament a scandal will emerge about one of the senior players. They have the info months previous but just wait till a week or 2 before and unsettle the side. Our media are pure not nice people compared to other countries.

Can i get away if the club i'm going to coach is my own Sunday League team?

I hate all this oh we dont have enough English players in our league. One of the most exiting teams around at the moment is Belgium and I think nearly all of their squad play outside the Belgium league so how would this help.

The key thing is coaching I remember a report from an English coach who is one of the most respected in the world (forgot his name and cant find article) who was talking about the technical ability of other nations and how they never put kids in positions till later. They train to beat a man by skill of balancing them and then knocking ball past them not trying to barge them out the way etc. This is where we are going wrong and St Georges Park has been 15 years too late.

We saw with France and later Spain the way to go ages before we got of our backsides and now look at them during that era.

So the Italian and Brazilian media don't run stories on their players? This reason is pure bollocks put about by footballers who don't like the media revealing their slightly non-athletic approach to personal fitness. Should Kyle Walker be sniffing substances on nights out?

it was pre-season, he wasnt on england duty, why is it even an issue?

it isnt illegal it's no different to him stood with a bottle of vodka in his hand.

its very sad that stuff like that is newsworthy but even sadder the papers love to show it whilst england are playing, i bet they've had that picture for ages n just waited till the right time to show it.

doesn't winning titles in Sweden count

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Rubbish,you said he had won nothing in his career.Well he has and it don't matter which country it was he won the league there.

He is also a Knight First Class of the Order of the Lion of Finland! I suppose you'll just dismiss that too.

Should the media wait until a huge game to bring this info out?? Worse thing is its not even illegal what he did. He hasn't done anything wrong but the press want people on his back and scandle to prevent the England team from achieving.

Also he hasn't sniffed anything but it sounds better for the haters when put that way i suppose

I would love to get excited about England again, but Lambert and a couple of others aside I think the players individually and collectively are a bunch of over-rated fannies who are severely lacking in the national pride department.

I would like them to win and qualify for the world cup - they would too, but I imagine that for most of them its more to do with how much extra they will coin in if they do.