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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:30 pm 
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I'm just glad everyone has stopped quoting him now.

He never used to be such a knob, is he getting on a bit or something?

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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How do you know how many tickets we would sell if we charged full price? You can only speculate.

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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And the last time they were full price we sold around 1200, 1300 maybe?

Its nailed on we'd be getting less after the last 3 seasons, isn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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But we got more people paying on the gate
Unless ior know we are in for a shite season so want to prose as much money as they can from people up front !


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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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it doesn't take much grey matter to work out the the cheap season tickets are bringing in roughly the same amount of total income as we were when selling them at full price.

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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I know you've got superior intellect but unfortunately it doesn't 1200 full price tickets plus another 1000 or so on the gate = significantly more money (but don't let this stop you bumming chip misterb..)

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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bumming chip? if anything its the other way around, there have been plenty of posts from me on this very subject, some from this time last year when some were saying the exact same thing.

1000 paying full price on the gate???? :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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Well when was the last we had less than 2000 for a home match?? Now hurry up and let me know..

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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Yeovil match in 2010 ish, we got 1900. There were several times that season were we just scraped 2000 home supporters. Now considering the football then was a thousand times better than what it was last year.

Its safe to say that with prices at full whack last season, we'd have been down close to 1500 home fans for plenty of those games.

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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If KH and IOR CHOOSE to implement the FFP in the way they are (ie. doesn't give us anymore sponsorship) we are well a truly, roundly fooked.. You get what you pay for in this life and as we've been paying peanuts for the last three seasons we can't really be surprised that we've got monkeys

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:44 pm 
If you buy a season ticket for what would it have previously cost you for 8 games out of 23, then it becomes less valuable.

Hence people aren't so driven to go, they'll pass it to a mate or a mate of a mate and they do. From the 2500 we'll sell, at least 500 will be 'passed on' every game. That's lost revenue.

Tell me that doesn't happen.


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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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The cheap tickets also have the benefit of keeping interest alive. There is no way I'd pay £25 on the gate or the full whack for a season ticket .......!
I'd be more interested to know how many season tickets we'd have sold if they were full price.

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:47 pm 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
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How do you know how many tickets we would sell if we charged full price? You can only speculate.


I was using the clubs figures from the last time we had season tickets at full price for adults.


But more paid on the gate then. I'm not saying they still would, I have no idea. That's the point, we can only speculate.

You make a decent case, but you could equally argue that for the hardcore fans, (to use economic language) demand is not elastic. In other words, the hardcore would have bought tickets anyway. As you can't split the market to ensure that different fans pay the maximum they'd be willing to pay, any pricing strategy is difficult to measure.

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I wouldn't have paid full price this season (I've not bought yet anyway) even if we signed 11 new players. I wouldn't have paid full price last season either and had I been paying £20-25 a game I'd have probably missed more than half the home games.

As it is I will get round to buying a ticket this week, but I think the club have been shortsighted in setting the deadline for tickets before the end of July (albeit just before) as quite a few folk would have probably appreciated the extra payday.

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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Bollox how long ago was the price announced, plenty of time to put the money away.


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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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Bollox how long ago was the price announced, plenty of time to put the money away.


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Surely thst depends on a persons circumstances,...... even £150 .....?

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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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One more week would encompass another pay day it makes financial sense to make the deadline the 2nd August (especially as we don't have a home game that weekend now).. Lets face it I doubt we're going to sell ANY season tickets after the "deadline" anyway!

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The cheap season tickets are the only things that are keeping the crowd size semi-respectable after the bore of the last couple of seasons. Do people think that fans are going to pay £20+ to watch Pools lose 1-0 or 2-0 at home in the current climate? Money is difficult to come by for many people who live in Hartlepool at the moment. Many people are working their arses off just to keep their jobs and grabbing the sparse overtime when it's available just to have a semi reasonable wage and basic standard of living. The sensible people over the past few seasons are the ones who were backing Pools to lose at home because we've been fucking shite and it was probably about the easiest way to make money sadly.

When people are grafting their arses off they don't buy into watching unfit players putting in minimal effort, not looking interested and failing to take responsibility. The club has gone stale, it still feels stale, there's too many old guard still kicking about for me. Too many players getting paid good money that just haven't performed and don't seen to have the hunger any more.

As fans we need to be realistic and patient but there needs to be at least a glimmer of hope and a bit of excitement. I don't think anyone expects IOR to spend £200k on players to get the right people in but I would expect them to give managers a bit of backing and get rid of players that have been paid well but have let the club down.

Hopefully we have a management duo that will be given time to turn the around and bring a bit of excitement back, like has been said at times last season you couldn't give tickets away......


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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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One more week would encompass another pay day it makes financial sense to make the deadline the 2nd August (especially as we don't have a home game that weekend now).. Lets face it I doubt we're going to sell ANY season tickets after the "deadline" anyway!


The deadline should be 3pm on the first home game of the season, some people will watch football focus and act on impulse and just buy one especially if we fluke a win at Rochdale.....


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Bollox how long ago was the price announced, plenty of time to put the money away.


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Surely thst depends on a persons circumstances,...... even £150 .....?

£50 a month or £12.50 a week is not a lot to put away


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It's not a lot of money to put away but people often leave things to the last minute so surely they should be given until the last minute before the season starts to buy a season ticket.....


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Jonny wrote:
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One more week would encompass another pay day it makes financial sense to make the deadline the 2nd August (especially as we don't have a home game that weekend now).. Lets face it I doubt we're going to sell ANY season tickets after the "deadline" anyway!


The deadline should be 3pm on the first home game of the season, some people will watch football focus and act on impulse and just buy one especially if we fluke a win at Rochdale.....

Sorry but somebody watching football focus will not be persuaded to impulsively go to pools and pay £150 for a season ticket.
Agree the deadline should be the day before the Rochdale game BUT the deadline was announced early enough that anybody wanting a ticket had enough time to save enough to buy one


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I disagree, people impulse buy all the time and even if we went along with your theory that they don't what would be the harm of keeping the deadline open till then? The ticket office will be open anyway... If we beat Rochdale then automatically more people will be interested in getting a season ticket.....


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 Post subject: Re: FFP explained by the Mail
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But more paid on the gate then. I'm not saying they still would, I have no idea. That's the point, we can only speculate.

You make a decent case, but you could equally argue that for the hardcore fans, (to use economic language) demand is not elastic. In other words, the hardcore would have bought tickets anyway. As you can't split the market to ensure that different fans pay the maximum they'd be willing to pay, any pricing strategy is difficult to measure.


There's also the matter of extraneous spending over and above the ticket price which is reasonably easy to quantify. Base calculation would start once the entry price per head per game has been established which is the first step in the process.


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We are still to get ours, finding £450 for the three of us is one problem, and waiting for something to happen to convince us it is worth doing is another. But no doubt we will manage to do it somehow, because without season tickets there will be very little chance of finding £60 per game as we go through the season.

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Bollox how long ago was the price announced, plenty of time to put the money away.


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Surely thst depends on a persons circumstances,...... even £150 .....?

£50 a month or £12.50 a week is not a lot to put away



To you & me maybe not, but to anyone in the town? I've got mates in full time jobs who are living hand to mouth, a couple of them are so skint that to book cheap (as in paid for upfront) hotel rooms for a weekend away I've had to stand the cost and let them pay me back when they can afford it because otherwise we'd be back before anything could be booked.

I'm not moaning for myself but the reality for a lot of folk is pretty bleak.

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no6bus wrote:
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Bollox how long ago was the price announced, plenty of time to put the money away.


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Surely thst depends on a persons circumstances,...... even £150 .....?

£50 a month or £12.50 a week is not a lot to put away


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the fooking moaning on here over the season ticket buying is comical, how many threads have we had about takeaways or cost of drinks in pubs, welcome to the board if you can blow 15/20 quid a week on takeaways or £50 for a night out you can save up for a season ticket.

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Who are you the season ticket police?

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[quote="no6bus"]Bollox how long ago was the price announced, plenty of time to put the money away.


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Surely thst depends on a persons circumstances,...... even £150 .....?

£50 a month or £12.50 a week is not a lot to put away


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For many people, it is.[/quote]
Not when compared to paying £20 sometimes £40 a week on the gate


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If you're struggling, buying a season ticket is well down your list of priorities... a cheap holiday with the kids or a season ticket... a no brainer.
As for comparing it to paying £20 on the day, if you ain't got the dosh it's irrelevant.

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Bollox how long ago was the price announced, plenty of time to put the money away.


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Surely thst depends on a persons circumstances,...... even £150 .....?

£50 a month or £12.50 a week is not a lot to put away


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It is when you are on £74.50 a week!!!! :-(


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Ok for those on the dole or who are on the bones of their arses there are ways to get in for free, stewards, match day lottery ticket sellers free entry and paid to boot


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As easy as that!

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