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 Post subject: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:24 pm 
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When will the puppet stop moaning about luck. banghead

Infact I'll be the first to say it. Hughes, fuck off back to Scotland.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:18 pm 
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frightening!!! He clearly knows his place!!!
He can take us into the Blue Sq north safe in the knowledge that he won't be sacked if he complies with the wishes of the inner sanctum

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:45 pm 
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It isn't unlucky that other teams create more chances.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Nail on head from alienlife.

The more chanceyou create and the more the ball is around the opposition box, the greater chance you have for luck to play its part....its embarassing if Hughes doesn't get this, managers are always one eyed but to look at the individual 'bad bounce' without taking into account the chance of having that 'bad bounce' in a dangerous area is as delusion as Collins claiming we would make the playoffs!


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:00 pm 
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its embarassing to have a manager who says 'I refuse to talk about luck' at the start of every interview then go on about it ad nauseum!


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:09 pm 
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The more this goes on, the more of a hopeless goon he paints himself to be.
Not up to the job, bereft of any ideas on how to change it, and hopelessly out of his depth.

Go now, and at least give us half a chance next season in the basement. rage

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:14 pm 
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He needs to make changes and lots of them to prove to people he knows what he's doing


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:28 pm 
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I really think Hughes must be thinking 'what the fuck have I done?' at the moment. He's left a job to come and manage these useless twats. All Hughes can do is start picking the right team. He wants to play football so he needs to start giving players a game who can do the basics. I think he has now given everyone a fair crack - some far more than a fair crack to show what they can or can't do.

Roll on Sheff Utd...


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:34 am 
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Good to have a bit of luck yesterday, their disallowed goal looked onside to me.

Incidentally it was Sam Collins playing him on, not that I have it in for him or anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:52 am 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
Yeah, it wasn't even close to being offside, but it must be the first time ever we have gone to a big clubs ground and got a decision like that, they usually go the other way.


I've watched it a few times, before the ball got played to him he was in an offside position but I can only presume Collins took a step back and put him in an onside position. It was quite kind of Collins who also defended comically for their second goal.

If only we had a superior, younger, fitter and quicker defender on the bench we could replace him with.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:55 am 
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Flag was up well before the ball got to the scorer it wasn't him who had been flagged. Watch it slowly, probably got bit luck in that most linesmen still wouldn't have give it as he never interfered as such. But certainly a player offside in the build up.

And I just look on BBC IPlayer freeze it on 48:08 as the initial shot goes in and tell me that player is not offside

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:59 am 
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The linesman was right to flag, I wouldn't criticise him for that as the offside player was in the middle of the box. The ref should have spoke to him, asked who he was flagging for and then allowed the goal. What a fooking shame, eh!

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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So you want the ref to speak to the linesman every time he flags he is possibly in line of Flinders view, so I say rightly offside but having said that as I said before some wouldn't have given it

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:14 pm 
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WTF?

Unless Flinders was stood to the right of his post then I don't see how he could be blocking his view. He wasn't interfering with play, wasn't interfering with an opponent, didn't touch the ball and didn't gain any advantage so he definitely wasn't offisde.

No, the ref shouldn't speak with the linesman everytime he flags but in this situation he should have gone and spoke with him.

If it had been Howard up the other end who had been flagged we'd have been cursing the officials for disallowing a perfectly good goal.

As they say on the commentary it was good we were the team to respond though, in previous games we'd have still buckled once they started to get on top.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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Where have I said he's blocking Flinders view. I've said possibly in line of Flinders view.The linesman sees a player in an offside position 10/11 yards out looking almost central the penalty spot is pretty close to him and makes a instant decision. I'm taking it and saying the linesman right it makes the win even better.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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As I said, he was right to flag but the goal shouldn't have been disallowed.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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The goal shouldn't have been scored because the offside was flagged well before he put ball in the net. The play should have stopped. If the linesman was right to flag (your words) your admitting an offence had taken place it therefore a free kick to Pools. What happens after that is irrelevant. If the linesman flagging is right how is allowing the goal to stand right.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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Utter bollocks. you play to the whistle not to the flag and that has always been the case.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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The linesman isn't supposed to raise the flag until the offending player has significantly moved towards the ball or actually touched it. Even though analysts often say that it is a late flag when the lino does this - it is correct way in the modern day....


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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Have you just made that up? If not where have you got it from?

If a linesman thinks a player is interfering with play then he'll flag, it's up to the referee to decide if he has. The linesman is in an awful position to decide whether a player is interfering or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:04 am 
Definetly offside....clear as day and 100% correct decision!!!! :cool:


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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Tax Paying Poolie wrote:
Have you just made that up? If not where have you got it from?

If a linesman thinks a player is interfering with play then he'll flag, it's up to the referee to decide if he has. The linesman is in an awful position to decide whether a player is interfering or not.


Many linesman flag for the appropriate area of the pitch about a second after the ball is played whether the attacker gets anywhere near or not. The advice for a long time has been for linesman to wait and get the decision right.

http://www.football-results.org/referee/offside.html


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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Tax Paying Poolie wrote:
Have you just made that up? If not where have you got it from?

If a linesman thinks a player is interfering with play then he'll flag, it's up to the referee to decide if he has. The linesman is in an awful position to decide whether a player is interfering or not.


Many linesman flag for the appropriate area of the pitch about a second after the ball is played whether the attacker gets anywhere near or not. The advice for a long time has been for linesman to wait and get the decision right.

http://www.football-results.org/referee/offside.html


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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But Saturdays Lino probably thought he was active so I can understand why he flagged, they're in an awful position to decide that and I can see why he flagged.

The bottom bit certainly backs up what I've said about Saturdays goal being allowed.

Unless Bob can tell me when the 'offside' player interfered with play in the ways described.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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Utter bollocks. you play to the whistle not to the flag and that has always been the case.


Correct and it had gone before he put the ball in the net so it still no goal, the ref blow on the flag being up.

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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:32 pm 
The goal was disallowed, therefore it was offside. The ref and the linesman said so.


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 Post subject: Re: Hughes and luck
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Tax Paying Poolie wrote:
Utter bollocks. you play to the whistle not to the flag and that has always been the case.


Correct and it had gone before he put the ball in the net so it still no goal, the ref blow on the flag being up.


Must have been a very quiet whistle as you can't hear it on the commentary and not one player responded to it but I'll take your word for it.

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