And reason it banned at that level is because it IMPAIRS Reflexes and Reaction time it's banned in Karate as well. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be anywhere near someone shooting an arrow/gun, and at that level erectile dysfunction can be caused hence it's also banned from the sex Olympics.

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What actually happened was Cooper told them to go out and get wasted because it would be their very last opportunity of the season.

We wish!

I'm still unaware as to what this has to do with footballers. Some of the greatest we've had play were right pissheads, George best and gazza are big examples. Like I said earlier in this thread it isn't medically proven that a few pints 7 nights before your next game effects you. People can argue black and blue but there's no proof so what's the point?

Best and even Gazza were around in a totally different era. The game at all levels was a lot different to today. Both those players had a lot of talent but most would agree that even though they were brilliant they both failed to reach their maximum potential.

The after effects of alcohol, low blood sugar, dehydration, interupted sleep patterns etc effect most people (not everyone) for about 48 hours after a drinking session. So if you get plastered on a saturday night most people are going to be unable to train their hardest and sharpest on the monday or tuesday. The knock on effect could be that they aren't as fit as they could be the following saturday. As a one off I don't think it will make much difference to a players performance but if they are boozing 3 saturdays in a month then in most cases their performance won't be as good as it could be...

Prove it

Also gazza didn't reach his true potential??? I think world cup 90 and euro 96 would disagree!!! Biggest stage of all and was brilliant. As for best well he only didn't because his country was shite but still was one of the greatest of his era so how that's deemed (by you) as not reaching full potential IMO is thick

Your right birthy, gazzz totally reached his potential and alcohol played no part in destroying his career.

Numpt

Why wasn't Gazza selected for the World Cup in 1998 ? Surely at the age of 31 he wasn't too old?

As for George Best - I might be wrong but didn't he stop playing for Man Utd and retire when he was 27? Wasn't he also a nightmare to manage in the latter stages of his career with them? A player with immense talent but he was barely capped by Northern Ireland.

Alcohol has destroyed his full life never mind his career, sadly in the not too distant future it will also be responsible for putting him in an early grave.

It's interesting the Fergy thinks if he'd signed for Man United and not Spurs he could have helped him fulfil his obvious talent and potential, I'm not so sure if someone like him can be helped.

Please point out were Iv mentioned what he's done with his life?? I'm saying he drank a hell of alot at his peak and performed extremely well. The original argument was about pools players drinking 7 days before there next match. Jonny is adamant that alcohol affects there next performance. Iv asked for proof but as everybody in the world is aware there isn't any making this a pointless debate as a said earlier. I used best/gazza as Examples as top notch players who performed for at least a decade at the highest possible level and wernt just small drinkers they were pissheads. I could use Ashley cole as another example, he's always out drinking and smoking and is extremely fit.

I'll use an example closer to home. Joel porter who is loved on here, was out on the piss all the fukn time, so was his performance affected??

Gazza and George Best were Alcoholics, Joel Porter liked a few drinks, completely and utterly different.

What a ridiculous thread this is.

Gazza was drinking heavily and at euro 96 he was our best player. He admits in his book he was even drinking during those games. My point was was his performance affected? Becoming alcoholics is a completely separate issue and only a plank wouldn't see that!! Yes drink ruined both of there lives. My
Point is drinking 7 days before a game does not effect you and theres no proof whatsoever that says otherwise. I don't think any of our players are alcoholics. Porter was always out, like i said was he affected??

What's winning trophies got to do with it, how many did shearer win?? Only a plank would use that example bla bla bla.

Point is and still is there are footballers who drink and played at the very top. Best ended up out 7 nights a week at the end,i was talking about when he was European footballer of the year. He was on the lash with summerbee
every week but still performed. Porter is a much better example I grant you that.

To end this please prove how a few drinks 7 days before your next match has anything to do with your performance during the next match.

If you can't well......... End of a ridiculous thread

Stupid thread and could easily go many pages but if we'd won no1 would
Give a shit if the full team went out. Backs were only up because of
The defeat. You Jonny and whoever else can say all Players should be tee total or drink hardly anything but IMO having a few pints a week before a game dosnt affect there performance.

I'll let you have the last word because I'm Just repeating myself now. Regardless of what you say won't change my opinion unless it's actual proof.

Or and for the record best and gazza were fucking stupid examples, fuck knows why it seemed logical at the time!!

The initial argument was about how a few people thought it was a bit disrespectful that players went out on the piss after a humiliating 5-0 defeat and seen by many many fans....But now its just escalated into some sort of daft scientific debate.

But Boydy is an example, going out on the lash every week, not just for a few but i've seen him in Nexus and he couldn't even talk and look at him now

Do you agree that drinking on say a Saturday night/Sunday morning will affect performance in training on the Monday?

If so then surely thats puts you behind and therefore has a knock on effect on the following day and the day after that etc?

People say some of the atheletes didnt drink for 4 years in preparation for the olympics, if 7 days before made no difference then why didnt their nutrionists/dietricians etc just tell them to drink what they like for the next 3 years and 358 days?

Another thread turns stupid cos birthmark could argue niggers white.

Never known 1 person be so wrong about so many things

Fuck off ya knob, read the thread back and you will see that your being once again a little school bully Coz ya think it's cool When really in real life it just wouldn't happen.

Iv said it before and I'll say it again only certain people are allowed to have an opinion.

And others just lick the arses of certain people because there incapable of having
There own thoughts.

That's pretty much the point I was trying to make above. If alcohol is a regular in your diet then you aren't going to reach your full fitness potential. Like others have said as a one off or once a month even it probably won't make all that much difference but 2, 3 or more times a month and it is going to have a negative effect.

Footballers like Ryan Giggs who have stopped drinking alcohol as well as other things in order to prolong their careers.

But he didn't stop knocking off his brothers missus.. co-incidentally many boxers also abstain from that in their training build up do the Bunker Glitterati also recommend the players do that for the 8 month they're getting paid for playing football too... Do everything in moderation is the key here I think.. (Can't see Mr Cooper being able to stand in front iof people and tell them to refrain from the odd pint with out a smile on his face, can you?)

Anyone that thinks Alcohol doesnt impair performances must be pissed whilst posting.

I am sure that someone will post shortly to say that having just two pints doesnt impair their ability to drive.

Any professional sportsman that spends that long getting fit, then goes and gets pissed once a week, is as thick as mince, and doesnt deserve to have the word professioanl used.

A note to footballers: Professional ones:

Its about time you realised how lucky and blessed you are, and agree to make one small sacrifice to help keep you in the peak of physical condition during the time ordinary folk spend most of their disposable income watching you and paying you.

You do NOT need to drink alcohol, no one does. You do it through choice, and thus proving that you are incapable of making the right life style choice your profession demands.

If you cant do that, please welcome to the board, and go part time, and play in the Northern league.

Apperently even there over this thread there's over a dozen people on both sides having there opinion I'm at fault and I'm arguing black is White because I BELEIVE having a few beers 7 days before a match dosnt effect You. Iv actually asked for proof around 5 times but there simply isn't any. People have had there say even though I tried to end tje thread but yet I'm the Culprit. Asking for proof is hardly arguing black is White but point scoring exercises deem otherwise. Look at me I singled out birthmark how good am I......... Pathetic.

I'll ask 1 more question.....

If alcohol affects performance the following week why arnt players banned from drinking it???

Richie im still waiting for you to respond to my post up above btw.

One of our old forwards has done just that.

Thing is tree there's a huge difference between an Olympian and a footballer. The comparisons are strange. Footballers and I mean 1st teamers like Hartley and Sweeney know they can have a drink and then sweat it out of them and easily be back fit for there next game, there's no pressure when they have 7 days. Only bad form will lose them there spot and if this happens maybe then They Dont go out and work that bit harder. Athletes have To be the best consistently to gain selection for there country. There's 3 spots for each race and in rowing/cycling only 1. Fuck knows how many different people are trying for these very wanted spots in the gb team. They have meets all year round to Get the selectors to notice them amd then have to keep that place. As you say it's every 4 years, football is every week. Unless they are tee total I would suggest that they have at 1 point had a drink in the last 4 years although in interviews they say otherwise for obvious reasons. Most athletes are individuals and it's up to them
And them only to succeed, football is a team game and far different. There
is far more at stake in football financially than any of the Olympic sports and most clubs will have the best nutritionists in the country at there disposal. Surely if alcohol 7 nights before a game was wrong they would know and it would be banned, surely??? You hear most managers have a 48 hr curfew on there players before games. I assume alcohol is 1 of the reasons for this.


I'll say again nobody can prove they are right so what is the point in the thread?

Answer my question on why alcohol isn't banned for footballers before we end the thread though. If you and the others are correct then surely it would be.

Its not banned because it's not performance enhancing or illegal. You coan drink as much of it as you like before a game of footy, beacsuse its not banned doesnt mean that it doesnt effect you though. When I posted in this thread about seeing them out I was more coming from the point of view that after a defeat like that they should be hammered by the manager and be back in training the next day.

Fair points, yes a game in 7 days may not be directly affected but say you went out on the piss on a Saturday night, get home Sunday morning and often you will still feel the affects on the Monday morning yes? That will affect them in that training session (i cant be arsed to sit at a desk never mind train and run about) when feeling the effects. Do you agree over time of that same routine that it will catch up with you and mean you spend less of your career at the level you are capable of?

The same could be said about cigarettes, they arnt band but everyone knows they will affect your fitness.

Snap

Same here, cooper said he was livid, and i thought he'd have training on sunday.

Probably would tree yes if they were getting hammered. Age catches up with everybody. The debate is though although the monday might be less than 100% could a professional get himself back fit by Saturday. I think yes but obviously others Dont that's fair enough. I can see both sides of the coin. There is no right or wrong view though as there is simply no proof

Yeah of course he can get himself fit by the Saturday but would he would be that little bit more fitter if he had trained at 100% all week. Yeah its only a slight amount but over time it will slowly take affect as is shown by examples mentioned in this thread.

People like Gary Speed and Ryan Giggs etc have shown that looking after yourself doesnt just enable you to keep playing longer but to remain at the top level, to play in the top flight as long as they did/are doing is remarkable and must have took utmost dedication.

To be honest you could change this full debate from drinking to having a greasy kebab and a pizza etc. Yeah over the short term you can burn it off but over time it will have a negative effect.

Iv no problem with the players having a drink, we all need treats etc To be honest i wouldnt be surprised if some managers insist on that if you win, celebrate with a night out etc as a reward if you wish but if you lose then i dont wanna hear stories of you down the town etc on the night of the game.

Like i said earlier if we'd won this wouldn't have been an issue

According to John Gorman's book, Hoddle didn't think he was fit enough. He'd missed a load of games through injury and while he'd recovered, Hoddle didn't reckon he'd had enough game time.

Aye well, he made the preliminary squad but he got the hoof in La Manga and smashed up Hoddle's room, so the story goes.

You must of made the preliminary squad as well then yea?

Course he did and he was in the team that got us there in italy

Just 1 of his 217 professions he's told us about

True, but the one he seems to of exelled at is Benefit Fraudster.

Bazza was too big at euro 96, he played well but his Scotland goal got him out of jail big time n took the heat off.

One of my favourite players ever n I loved the guy, but drink ruined his career

Bazza Chuckle?

I remember the couple of friendlies before France 98, Bazza was awful.

Bazza was garbish at France 8 tbh

I actually fancied a game but had a pre season friendly the same night at the same time.

That coupled with not wanting to be associated with known fraudsters.

Gazza by a mile.