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Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:35 am

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

So should we create a sliding scale based upon imcome, some people on the dole are better off than folk who work.

That's not what I said.

Read it again?

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:37 am

Why not go the whole hog and charge people entry based on what they earn? Those on less that 15k only pay a tenner, those between 15-25k pay 20 quid and those above pay30 quid.

Stupid idea? You betcha!

Compo · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:42 am

Mr Ripper wrote:

Compo, do you also think that pensioners should pay the same as you?

In fact, I'd probably let pensioners and genuine job seeking people in for about £5 on the gate, never mind half price.

No i think pensioners should pay less as in general these people have paid into the system over the years and should reap the benefits.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:43 am

Mr Ripper wrote:

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

So should we create a sliding scale based upon imcome, some people on the dole are better off than folk who work.

That's not what I said.

Read it again?

Read it again, sounds just as daft second time around. What you are saying is those on the dole should get in cheap. But if there is someone on the lowest possible wage and not getting JSA they are possibly in a worse position financially.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:47 am

Me and my fiancée both work, but are much worse off than her cousin and husband, neither of which do.

yet they deserve cheaper season tickets? Madness

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:51 am

misterb2001 wrote:

Me and my fiancée both work, but are much worse off than her cousin and husband, neither of which do.

yet they deserve cheaper season tickets? Madness

I'm assuming that the people who you refer to are long term unemployed as a lifestyle choice and not actively seeking work? Does this mean that they're on IS rather than JSA (I don't know the current rules)? If it does then they are not the people who I was referring to, so why is it "madness"?

P.S. I never mentioned season tickets, I said pay on the gate on a match by match basis as their circumstances would hopefully change during the course of a season.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:51 am

Chip Fireball wrote:

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

I base my selection on games I fancy going to, I then pay whatever it is to get in as after travel and beer the gate fee is the least of my concern.

Then I suggest they charge people like yourself £100 to get in until such as time as you find a woman stupid enough to have sex with you/produce offspring.

If you managed it I have few fears.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:53 am

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

Read it again, sounds just as daft second time around. What you are saying is those on the dole should get in cheap. But if there is someone on the lowest possible wage and not getting JSA they are possibly in a worse position financially.

So JSA pays more than minimum wage? Really?

The crux of my point was regarding people who are temporarily unemployed not those who are long term not seeking work. Are you unable to differentiate or choosing not to?

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:58 am

Mr Ripper wrote:

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

Read it again, sounds just as daft second time around. What you are saying is those on the dole should get in cheap. But if there is someone on the lowest possible wage and not getting JSA they are possibly in a worse position financially.

So JSA pays more than minimum wage? Really?

The crux of my point was regarding people who are temporarily unemployed not those who are long term not seeking work. Are you unable to differentiate or choosing not to?

No but other benefits such as help with housing etc can mean that somebody out of work is better off than someone in work on minimum wage. I am easily able to differentiate it just seems you haven't thought this through and as usual are determined you are correct when you are in fact talking total shite.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:11 pm

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

I am easily able to differentiate it just seems you haven't thought this through and as usual are determined you are correct when you are in fact talking total shite.

The difference is that even though I disagree with you I can see and respect your view that you wouldn't allow short term unemployed people who are actively seeking work reduced entry for the period that they were out of work whereas you appear unable to even acknowledge the point I'm making without seeming to think that I'm talking about long term unemployed who have no intention of working.

The advantage to HUFC (and surely there would have to be one for this scheme to be commercially viable) would be that a reduced entry fee from somebody temporarily out of work is better than an empty space on the terrace and also that if people can get in cheaper when they're not working then they might go at full price when they're working again rather than getting out of the habit and being a "lost supporter" if they were going previously or they might become a "new supporter" and continue going when they find employment.

It's not all about "so and so is getting something cheaper than me so I don't like it".

And you then accuse me of "talking total shite". Priceless.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:13 pm

Compo wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

Compo, do you also think that pensioners should pay the same as you?

In fact, I'd probably let pensioners and genuine job seeking people in for about £5 on the gate, never mind half price.

No i think pensioners should pay less as in general these people have paid into the system over the years and should reap the benefits.

Paid into what system?

National Insurance of HUFC? Pools get nowt out of pensioners having "paid into the system" of NI during their working lives if they didn't spend some of their wages on HUFC.

Would you differentiate between pensioners who had attended Pools at full price when they were younger because they'd "paid into the system" and exlude from the concession prices any pensioners who only decided to attend after they'd retired when they'd never or hardly been for whatever reason in the preceeding years?

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:19 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

I am easily able to differentiate it just seems you haven't thought this through and as usual are determined you are correct when you are in fact talking total shite.

The difference is that even though I disagree with you I can see and respect your view that you wouldn't allow short term unemployed people who are actively seeking work reduced entry for the period that they were out of work whereas you appear unable to even acknowledge the point I'm making without seeming to think that I'm talking about long term unemployed who have no intention of working.

The advantage to HUFC (and surely there would have to be one for this scheme to be commercially viable) would be that a reduced entry fee from somebody temporarily out of work is better than an empty space on the terrace and also that if people can get in cheaper when they're not working then they might go at full price when they're working again rather than getting out of the habit and being a "lost supporter" if they were going previously or they might become a "new supporter" and continue going when they find employment.

It's not all about "so and so is getting something cheaper than me so I don't like it".

And you then accuse me of "talking total shite". Priceless.

How exactly do you suppose we differentiate between those who are going to be out of work for two weeks and those who are going to be out of work long term?

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

What a Fooking awful debate this is

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:22 pm

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

How exactly do you suppose we differentiate between those who are going to be out of work for two weeks and those who are going to be out of work long term?

When I was last out of work, which fortunately for me was a few years ago, you used to get JSA for the first however long (was it six months?) and then go onto IS or some other form of benefit if you were still unemployed.

If this is still the case then surely that would be a relatively straightforward way to differentiate, i.e. if you're on JSA you can buy cheap match tickets and if you're on IS then you can't.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:25 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

How exactly do you suppose we differentiate between those who are going to be out of work for two weeks and those who are going to be out of work long term?

When I was last out of work, which fortunately for me was a few years ago, you used to get JSA for the first however long (was it six months?) and then go onto IS or some other form of benefit if you were still unemployed.

If this is still the case then surely that would be a relatively straightforward way to differentiate, i.e. if you're on JSA you can buy cheap match tickets and if you're on IS then you can't.

I can see where your coming from and I think it's a silly idea but I can't be arsed to carry on debating something which we will never agree on and which is a pointless debate as the club (and no other club) would never do it.

Compo · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:30 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

Compo wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

Compo, do you also think that pensioners should pay the same as you?

In fact, I'd probably let pensioners and genuine job seeking people in for about £5 on the gate, never mind half price.

No i think pensioners should pay less as in general these people have paid into the system over the years and should reap the benefits.

Paid into what system?

National Insurance of HUFC? Pools get nowt out of pensioners having "paid into the system" of NI during their working lives if they didn't spend some of their wages on HUFC.

Would you differentiate between pensioners who had attended Pools at full price when they were younger because they'd "paid into the system" and exlude from the concession prices any pensioners who only decided to attend after they'd retired when they'd never or hardly been for whatever reason in the preceeding years?

They might have spent some of their wages on HUFC.

You second point, I never said I would have differentiate between pensioners and this point is also one i might raise to you.

Would you differentiate between person who had attended Pools at full price when they were employed, unemployed, student or a child (e.g. me) and then create a concession prices for any person who only decided to attend after they'd become unemployed when they'd never or hardly been for whatever reason in the preceeding years?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22683

Todays pensioners are better off than most working families. There is no reason why over 65's should automatically get a discount.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:40 pm

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

...but I can't be arsed to carry on debating something which we will never agree on and which is a pointless debate as the club (and no other club) would never do it.

I might be mistaken but I believe that Pools used to do something similar in the past.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:43 pm

Compo wrote:

They might have spent some of their wages on HUFC.

You second point, I never said I would have differentiate between pensioners and this point is also one i might raise to you.

Would you differentiate between person who had attended Pools at full price when they were employed, unemployed, student or a child (e.g. me) and then create a concession prices for any person who only decided to attend after they'd become unemployed when they'd never or hardly been for whatever reason in the preceeding years?

Firstly, you said that pensioners should get a discount because they had paid into the system without giving any clear thought in your own mind as to what system they had paid into. That is the point that I was making to you, i.e. you're reasoning for giving them a discount at Pools was based on complete bollox.

Secondly, I think I've covered the point with regards the commercial logic for giving concession prices to short term unemployed people in a previous post, have a read of that and then come back should you require any further clarification.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:43 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Todays pensioners are better off than most working families. There is no reason why over 65's should automatically get a discount.

That is a sweeping generalisation!

True, some pensioners are better off than some working families. No argument with that. Not all though.

OddsOnPhil · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:27 am **Posts:** 674

Sending for my season ticket at the end of this week, just been waiting for my meagre bonus from work, will just about cover it !

dykey · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:59 pm

IS is now called ESA,its for ppl who can't work due to illness. Jsa is 71.50pw,whereas on ESA you get the sickness element which is app £20 on top,so about £90+pw.

Spender · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:34 pm

If you ask me, and no-one is, means testing the price of football tickets is a completely batty idea and typical of the over bureaucracy that is strangling Britain.

What next?? Bovril tokens?? :roll:

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22683

Mr Ripper wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Todays pensioners are better off than most working families. There is no reason why over 65's should automatically get a discount.

That is a sweeping generalisation!

True, some pensioners are better off than some working families. No argument with that. Not all though.

I didn't generalise. Read it again "should automatically get a discount"

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

What next... pie season tickets?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:50 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Todays pensioners are better off than most working families. There is no reason why over 65's should automatically get a discount.

That is a sweeping generalisation!

True, some pensioners are better off than some working families. No argument with that. Not all though.

I didn't generalise. Read it again "should automatically get a discount"

That bit looked like a generalisation to me.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22683

Did you miss the word 'most' ?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:25 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Did you miss the word 'most' ?

No. I saw it tucked in between the words "than" and "working".

What I missed was seeing the word "Some" (together with the word "of") preceeding "Today's pensioners".

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22683

Grabbing bastids to a man!

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:35 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Grabbing bastids to a man!

I have zero sympathy with the pensioners who are moaning about low interest rates on their savings meaning that they have less money than they expected to live on in their retirement. Most of them in that situation have large savings due to the huge rise in house prices over the last thirty years which gave them huge amounts of equity in their property so if they benefited from the boom in the housing market and economy then equally they have to expect to suffer when it all goes the other way.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:37 pm

It was indeed Chip, very, very nice of them!

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

misterb2001 wrote:

It was indeed Chip, very, very nice of them!

Didn't I pick you up from work??!!!

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:45 pm

Yes! But Mark getting in on the cheap meant we only paid a fiver each, due to the free ticket!

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

misterb2001 wrote:

Yes! But Mark getting in on the cheap meant we only paid a fiver each, due to the free ticket!

Ah yes, I recall now! Nice night that, that pudding Humphreys and that lazy get Boyd both scored in a 2-1 Away Win.

Shite them two..shite.

Spender · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:51 pm

Talk to Mr I. He went through the kids gate at Notts County when he was 42.

Further to that, he borrowed a Lady off me to do it, and still hasn't weighed in.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22683

Spender wrote:

Talk to Mr I. He went through the kids gate at Notts County when he was 42.

Further to that, he borrowed a Lady off me to do it, and still hasn't weighed in.

I can't help looking young!! or maybe he assumed I was 65+, I prefer the former version.

AberdeenPools · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:08 pm

Not exactly what I had in mind when I started this thread

Spender · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:22 pm

Season tickets.

And bags of malt whisky.

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

For what it's worth it's not going to change anything.
I just hope we sell 5000 season tickets, then when we're flying at the top of the league there'll be less moaning twats who think 20 bar is extortionate for league 1 footy!!

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:41 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

ElvisC wrote:

misterb2001 wrote:

Yes! But Mark getting in on the cheap meant we only paid a fiver each, due to the free ticket!

Ah yes, I recall now! Nice night that, that pudding Humphreys and that lazy get Boyd both scored in a 2-1 Away Win.

Shite them two..shite.

Classic future quiz question that one Phil :

How many Bunkerites saw Adam Boyd and Ritchie Humphreys first AND last Hartlepool United first team goal ?

http://www.inthemadcrowd.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... p?oid=3988

Coincidentally Steve Howard played for Luton when Sir Ritchie scored his first.

poolie1966 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:55 am **Posts:** 1183

Chip Fireball wrote:

And if you look at just people generally who saw Boydie and Humphreys first and last AWAY league goals for Pools I suspect theres not more than about a dozen of us.

How do you know you have seen Humphreys last away goal for us, he could score again next season, or the one after that or even in the 2021/22 season ???

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:48 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

And if you look at just people generally who saw Boydie and Humphreys first and last AWAY league goals for Pools I suspect theres not more than about a dozen of us.

http://www.inthemadcrowd.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... p?oid=4002

http://www.inthemadcrowd.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... p?oid=3979

http://www.inthemadcrowd.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... p?oid=5300

These are the qualifying matches you need to have attended!!

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