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 Post subject: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:24 pm 
So lets say hypothetically we only sell 3000 Season Tickets, which at the moment seems possible, is the best we can expect at home games next season 3900 if the away end sold out?

If people are passing up on £6 odd for a home game are they likely to fork out full price on the day? And if we are doing well next season will people continue to pay full price every home game knowing everyone else is paying £6 ish?

I know that these people will have had a chance to pay £155 for a full season and didn't (assuming we don't sell anywhere near last seasons total) but at the moment we could be looking at fairly poor home crowds.

Do we need cartwheel signings to get some momentum behind this again or am I worrying too early or unnecessarily??


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...or am I worrying too early or unnecessarily??


^^^ This.

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:35 pm 
Thanks for the feedback!


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Thanks for the feedback!


There are LOADS of people intending to purchase season tickets this month, myself included.

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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AberdeenPools wrote:
...or am I worrying too early or unnecessarily??


^^^ This.


Disagree with this, there is nowhere near the hype or publicity there was last year, this coupled with a lack of signings and a very poor season at home last term make me think that 3000 could be about where we end up. We are 3 weeks away from the deadline now, at this stage last year we dropped the price to push the sales, this time the price is at it's minimum and folk still aren't going for the deal.

Unless there are a few decent signings or some significant increase in marketing I don't see much over 3000 being attained. Of course there will be the last week rush for all those that have left it late as usual but is that really going to be a huge number? I'm not so sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:41 pm 
Ticket sales at this point are similar to last year.


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Ticket sales at this point are similar to last year.


Agreed, but we had a trick up our sleeve last year. It's not an option this time.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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4000 will be sold.

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:47 pm 
Mr Ripper wrote:
AberdeenPools wrote:
Thanks for the feedback!


There are LOADS of people intending to purchase season tickets this month, myself included.


Does the LOADS of people you know about intending to purchase reach the 00's or 000's???


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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I'm not sure I want to stand near people who can't see that £155 to watch your home town club play 20 odd games in League One for a full season is a hell of a deal.

I know an awful lot of folk are saving up or simply aren't in a rush, so that isn't a problem but I can't see the need to start panicking about the lack of signings or the fact that advertising isn't as prominent this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:50 pm 
I think around 4,000 is realistic, the people who went to every game last season basically.

The rush will be in the last ten days or so.

I'm also hopeful £25 on the day will be knocked on the head and then if we're doing well we'll attract pay at the gate punters and not see as few as 50 at times in the away end.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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oh no not another pj thinks away fans pay too much thread...

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:56 pm 
I've rarely if ever mentioned it*

*This week.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Chrissy Stevo wrote:
...there is nowhere near the hype or publicity there was last year...


This is true. We could do with The Mail filling some of their pages with it over the next week or two together with similar things to last year (social networking sites, Fetish and Mouldy harassing people etc.).

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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See other "season ticket" thread for reasons why i think people arent buying them.

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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I think we will get closer to 5000 than 4000.

Mr Stevo you say we don't have a trick up our sleeves how do you know this??

Most blokes leave things to the last minute it's just in our nature. There's still no panic and were closing in on the 1st milestone.

Still Dont give a shit what away fans are charged, I would assume Coventry Portsmouth Swindon and even Crawley who are new to the league will bring large numbers, plus sheff utd Huddersfield carlilse. Probs Missed someone out but the rest won't bring many as they never do regardless of £18 or £25.

Certainly not time to panic yet like and don't be too upset when I win the 15 grand people


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:50 pm 
If we don't sell out seating areas it would be daft keeping the price at £25. It was ok last year when seats were sold out, this year it is likely to be something that needs looking at.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Home fans £20 agreed, away fans....... Fuck em


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:02 pm 
It's Football League rules though you can't charge more for an equivalent seat. So if the home seats were put back to normal so would the away end.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Well in that case £25. Can't whinge when season tickets are £155. if they can only attend a few games though then it shouldn't matter what the cost is to see your beloved football team fight out a hard fought 0-0 draw

If last season is out to go by though I'm sure there will be spare tickets for most games.

We need to make money at end of day though and given the superb season ticket price you surely cant fault the club trying to raise some extra capital.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:18 pm 
We have to make money so we'll set a ticket price that nobody would be wiling to pay.

Good logic.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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I think we will get closer to 5000 than 4000.

Mr Stevo you say we don't have a trick up our sleeves how do you know this??

Most blokes leave things to the last minute it's just in our nature. There's still no panic and were closing in on the 1st milestone.

Still Dont give a shit what away fans are charged, I would assume Coventry Portsmouth Swindon and even Crawley who are new to the league will bring large numbers, plus sheff utd Huddersfield carlilse. Probs Missed someone out but the rest won't bring many as they never do regardless of £18 or £25.

Certainly not time to panic yet like and don't be too upset when I win the 15 grand people


I know it cos last season the price was set based upon reaching targets, we lowered the proce before a certain target was met meaning that people no lonmger had to wait for the target to be met to get the cheap tickets. This time around thats not an option, the price is what it is. apart from increased marketing theres not a lot that can be done this time to stimulate the market.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Or a new signing???


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Yea I mentioned that earlier, I just think that the trump card we played last season in reducing the proce early was the key factor. A new signing would help, but not to the extent that last year did.

The reason I am pessemistic this year is that last year I was at work in Redcar and people who had never been to a pools game were talking about it and were on about getting one for them and thier kids. Don't get me wrong, I realise a lot are still to get them but 4000 to 5000 could be pushing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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We have to make money so we'll set a ticket price that nobody would be wiling to pay.

Good logic.


Thousands paid it last year so don't see why this would be any different

We have a deal for £6 a game, a don't see your point at all. They are rewarding us and over charging the away fans. We win so the logic is superb


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:28 pm 
Thousands paid what?


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Chrissy Stevo wrote:
Yea I mentioned that earlier, I just think that the trump card we played last season in reducing the proce early was the key factor. A new signing would help, but not to the extent that last year did.

The reason I am pessemistic this year is that last year I was at work in Redcar and people who had never been to a pools game were talking about it and were on about getting one for them and thier kids. Don't get me wrong, I realise a lot are still to get them but 4000 to 5000 could be pushing it.


The Solano factor also helped. We may have a trick or two yet. Hope so anyway because 3000 could piss ior right off and that's something nobody wants, well maybe Sussex


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Thousands paid what?


£25 to get in


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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We need to make money at end of day though and given the superb season ticket price you surely cant fault the club trying to raise some extra capital.


You can't.

But IMO the right way to go would be the way the big clubs do and categories your games. Those who will bring lots of fans Cat A - £25, teams that won't bring many - £20, night games/teams who hardly bring anyone £18.

Pie Season Tickets would be good for raising money too.

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 Post subject: Re: Next season
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Ritchies birthmark wrote:

We need to make money at end of day though and given the superb season ticket price you surely cant fault the club trying to raise some extra capital.


You can't.

But IMO the right way to go would be the way the big clubs do and categories your games. Those who will bring lots of fans Cat A - £25, teams that won't bring many - £20, night games/teams who hardly bring anyone £18.

Pie Season Tickets would be good for raising money too.


Agree on that, its a great way of doing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:36 pm 
How can one person so consistently miss the point!?

I am not talking about away fans.

I am talking about people from the town paying on the gate.

Last year every seat in the Cyril Knowles and Millhouse belonged to a season ticket holder.

Pools made the pay on the day seating price £25 knowing full well that no seats were on sale to home fans at that price. It was to make more from away fans, it didn't work but that was the plan.

This year it seems very unlikely seats will be sold out. So if nothing changes the pay on the gate price for home fans who want to sit will be £25 which is too much. So if say we sell 4,000 i think it would be sensible to review the pay on day price or we will be restricting our crowd to just season ticket holders. Understand?


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:40 pm 
Until Sheff Utd fans find out that Crawley are paying 7 snots a game less than them in the same ground. That depends very much on the fixture list. We were an A game at Leeds, and people were very unhappy, because leeds expected a lot of people to come due to the distance, not because of the 'ranking' of the club.


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I don't really care how much away fans pay, if home fans want to pay on the gate we could make the terracing cheaper by offering £15 tickets if they are bought upfront and the same kind of discount could be applied to seats too.

I'm sure we could charge £25 to away fans on the gate but sell advanced tickets to home fans for £20 a shot.

There are probably 4 or 5 teams in the division who might fill our away end, for those who might bring 500 fans the difference between £20 and £25 tickets will be £2,500 in revenue. If you could guarantee that 125 more people would come in return for a lower price then it would be a no brainer, but you can't. They'll moan about the price but at the end of the day if they're coming to watch their team they'll pay, in the same we our fans pay daft prices all over the place.

I certainly wouldn't put off a trip to an away ground that's already gonna cost £50-£100 or more for the sake of another £2-6.

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I don't really care how much away fans pay, if home fans want to pay on the gate we could make the terracing cheaper by offering £15 tickets if they are bought upfront and the same kind of discount could be applied to seats too.

I'm sure we could charge £25 to away fans on the gate but sell advanced tickets to home fans for £20 a shot.

There are probably 4 or 5 teams in the division who might fill our away end, for those who might bring 500 fans the difference between £20 and £25 tickets will be £2,500 in revenue. If you could guarantee that 125 more people would come in return for a lower price then it would be a no brainer, but you can't. They'll moan about the price but at the end of the day if they're coming to watch their team they'll pay, in the same we our fans pay daft prices all over the place.

I certainly wouldn't put off a trip to an away ground that's already gonna cost £50-£100 or more for the sake of another £2-6.


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If people are passing up on £6 odd for a home game are they likely to fork out full price on the day? And if we are doing well next season will people continue to pay full price every home game knowing everyone else is paying £6 ish?


No.......................and no.


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 Post subject: Re: Next season
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:49 pm 
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I don't really care how much away fans pay,


Bingo. It, and all about it. I can't see anybody fretting about how much Pools fans have to pay at their place. There's always an advantage in offering a discount for early purchase but the gate price is what it is.


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Leeds utd season ticket is 630 squid and the kids have to pay that to, no concessions :o


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Lets face it, the amount of away fans that come to our ground apart the big Yorkshire clubs and maybe Carisle means the financial argument about fans having to fork out £25 for an away ticket doesnt really effect us. It is extortionate to an extent for a league one match but even it was £15, the fookers wouldnt come. At lot of them bring a 100 at best.


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mick ronsons mullet wrote:
Lets face it, the amount of away fans that come to our ground apart the big Yorkshire clubs and maybe Carisle means the financial argument about fans having to fork out £25 for an away ticket doesnt really effect us. It is extortionate to an extent for a league one match but even it was £15, the fookers wouldnt come. At lot of them bring a 100 at best.


Yes spot on, the likes of Stevenage, Colchester & Bury will bring around 50-100 regardless as to whether its £18 or £25 to get in, so we might as well cash in on those teams who fill the away end no matter what the price of the ticket is.


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£155 is a shit load of money to someone out of work and with kids to feed. Especially when its not £155 because then typically you then have to fork out for kids tickets too.

£155 to someone on 30k/40k a year ain't much. To someone of the dole its a different story.


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£155 is a shit load of money to someone out of work and with kids to feed. Especially when its not £155 because then typically you then have to fork out for kids tickets too.

£155 to someone on 30k/40k a year ain't much. To someone of the dole its a different story.



Agreed, everything is relative to people's individual circumstances.

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Well I think that homes fans should be charged £25 admission and away fans £20. If a home fan is unemployed and produces their dole card they should be allowed in half price.

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Well I think that homes fans should be charged £25 admission and away fans £20. If a home fan is unemployed and produces their dole card they should be allowed in half price.

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Well I think that homes fans should be charged £25 admission and away fans £20. If a home fan is unemployed and produces their dole card they should be allowed in half price.


Hang on so people who are on the dole should get in cheaper than me why?

I agree that there are people who want to work and are really struggling to get a job but there a lot of scroungers in the town as well.

£155 a season ticket should see them ok.

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Well I think that homes fans should be charged £25 admission and away fans £20. If a home fan is unemployed and produces their dole card they should be sent to the job centre with the rest of the lazy bums.


Couldnt agree more.


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Well I think that homes fans should be charged £25 admission and away fans £20. If a home fan is unemployed and produces their dole card they should be allowed in half price.


Hang on so people who are on the dole should get in cheaper than me why?



Because they have less money than you and otherwise wouldn't be able to afford to go. I think it's a good idea, provided that it's limited to people who are actively seeking work and not just long term benefits bums. Do the benefits still diferentiate between JSA and IS? If so, this'd be an easy way to help these people out.

Compo, do you also think that pensioners should pay the same as you?

In fact, I'd probably let pensioners and genuine job seeking people in for about £5 on the gate, never mind half price.

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Mr Ripper wrote:
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The Lightning Tree wrote:
Well I think that homes fans should be charged £25 admission and away fans £20. If a home fan is unemployed and produces their dole card they should be allowed in half price.


Hang on so people who are on the dole should get in cheaper than me why?



Because they have less money than you and otherwise wouldn't be able to afford to go. I think it's a good idea, provided that it's limited to people who are actively seeking work and not just long term benefits bums. Do the benefits still diferentiate between JSA and IS? If so, this'd be an easy way to help these people out.

Compo, do you also think that pensioners should pay the same as you?

In fact, I'd probably let pensioners and genuine job seeking people in for about £5 on the gate, never mind half price.


So should we create a sliding scale based upon imcome, some people on the dole are better off than folk who work.


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I base my selection on games I fancy going to, I then pay whatever it is to get in as after travel and beer the gate fee is the least of my concern.


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