Collins out for season

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:33 pm

Looks like young jack is going to get a decent run in the team. Good luck fella clappp

spinbowler · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:45 pm

I think Baldie is a great prospect. Better perhaps, than young Luke! :shock:

alleztfc · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:48 pm

Not good news, but hopefully the younguns can seize the chance sadx

spinbowler · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:53 pm

misterb2001 wrote:

Looks like young jack is going to get a decent run in the team. Good luck fella clappp

Sauce?

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:55 pm

It's a shame but its perfect excuse now to give someone else an extended run. The season looks to be all but over as far as any ambitions or relegation worries are concerned. Let's look to the future. Hope Sam makes a speedy recovery though.

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:13 pm

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

It's a shame but its perfect excuse now to give someone else an extended run. The season looks to be all but over as far as any ambitions or relegation worries are concerned. Let's look to the future. Hope Sam makes a speedy recovery though.

And there's 2 ways to do that...Give our youngsters a run to see if they can cope.

Or alternatively if we have any targets in my mind for next season who we know are going to be released by their present club, bring them in on loan. Play them to see if they can cope and if not we've had them on trial basically for a few weeks (and hopefully their club still paying majority of their wages).

More to point Cooper and others have watched them in actual match situations, in the league they would be playing next season that looks like a win-win situation to me. They've not been watched just on the training pitch.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:15 pm

Chrissy Stevo wrote:

It's a shame but its perfect excuse now to give someone else an extended run. The season looks to be all but over as far as any ambitions or relegation worries are concerned. Let's look to the future. Hope Sam makes a speedy recovery though.

Aye. In addition to Baldwin I liked the look of the lad Johnson who played the final game of last season. Hopefully he'll get a chance too and will prove that in him, Baldwin and Hartley we have ample choice at centre half for next season and can concentrate any new signings in other areas.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:13 pm

With this injury I can't see him playing again for pools...I'd be highly surprised if we offered him a new contract

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I think he'll get another year joe

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:42 pm

Joe Mac wrote:

With this injury I can't see him playing again for pools...I'd be highly surprised if we offered him a new contract

What injury has he got like?

I would reckon the chances of him getting a new contract might in part depend on how well the likes of Baldwin and Johnson do in his absence and whether or not we've still got Hartley next season (which I hope we will have).

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:51 pm

I may have to back track on what I have said as I can't seem to find any sauce that states he is out for the season...unless somebody can put one on here.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:05 pm

The Mail said he has suffered a serious tear to his calf and is likely to be out for the rest of the season. With it being the Mail, I expect Collins to play on saturday

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:20 pm

with it being the mail it probably wasnt even Collins

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:39 pm

...probably wasn't even a calf.....more likely a foal.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:15 am

I expect him to get a one year deal. He is not going to go from captain and always on the teamsheet to out the door. May see less of him but he can certainly do a job for us in times of need I feel.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:54 am

Agree with Chrissy. Sam is a good solid defender.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Agree with b agreeing with chrissy

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Collins is a good defender and I like him but it wasn't long ago his captaincy was getting questioned and he has made mistakes on many occasions this season.

If we want to have a good go at the play-offs next season then I think we need someone better in, I think Hartley would improve as a result too.

This is a big chance for Baldwin, if he plays his heart out between now and May then Collins will be struggling for his place back.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:48 pm

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Collins is a good defender and I like him but it wasn't long ago his captaincy was getting questioned and he has made mistakes on many occasions this season.

If we want to have a good go at the play-offs next season then I think we need someone better in, I think Hartley would improve as a result too.

This is a big chance for Baldwin, if he plays his heart out between now and May then Collins will be struggling for his place back.

So you concur with me then. You could've saved 45 seconds of your one fingered typing. :wink:

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Mr Ripper wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Collins is a good defender and I like him but it wasn't long ago his captaincy was getting questioned and he has made mistakes on many occasions this season.

If we want to have a good go at the play-offs next season then I think we need someone better in, I think Hartley would improve as a result too.

This is a big chance for Baldwin, if he plays his heart out between now and May then Collins will be struggling for his place back.

So you concur with me then. You could've saved 45 seconds of your one fingered typing. :wink:

Not really, Collins will get a new contract whether Baldwin is shit, average or amazing. Fact. :wink:

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:20 pm

On Collins twitter site, he is always saying he has to take ice baths for his legs, he may not feel up to another year

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:40 pm

he said the other day he feels he could continue for a few years yet

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

he's never had pace, so i doubt he'll have any to lose, his positioning is good and he's very dominant in the air.

Well worth another year for his experience at the back alone.

poolietim · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:11 pm

Collins will get another year I am sure, and much deserved too as he has had a good season bar a few dodgy moments. I don't think he'll be captain though, I think Hartley will get that next season.

Larkin, Boyd, Haslam, Solano and Luscombe won't. Liddle will go under freedom of contract and I think Nish will be made available for free too. It also wouldn't surprise me if it is Browns last season here as i'm not sure he is part of Coopers master plan of 4-4-2 with wingers and pace upfront.

Lord_of_Stranton · **Joined:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:48 pm **Posts:** 1852

So the player perhaps most improved over Cooper - Brown - would go. So with Cooper's plan to go for wingers, he should let our best right-winger go?

And Cooper hasn't yet first-hand seen the magic of Super Colin Larkin. Plus if he gets fit, Cooper might give him a go on the wing before the end of the season.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

poolietim wrote:

Collins will get another year I am sure, and much deserved too as he has had a good season bar a few dodgy moments. I don't think he'll be captain though, I think Hartley will get that next season.

Larkin, Boyd, Haslam, Solano and Luscombe won't. Liddle will go under freedom of contract and I think Nish will be made available for free too. It also wouldn't surprise me if it is Browns last season here as i'm not sure he is part of Coopers master plan of 4-4-2 with wingers and pace upfront.

His masterplan of 4-4-2?

I think he hasnt played that formation once this year what makes you think his masterplan?

A baffling post.

poolietim · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:34 pm

He has stated himself that he wants to play 4-4-2 but doesn't have the players here to do that hence why he hasn't played it much. He likes to play with wingers again something he has stated numerous times.

Suerly not that baffling a post as it is based on Coopers statements. The Brown thing is a feeling I have and not my wish or anything just saying it wouldn't surprise me.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

It baffled me as i haven't seen this cooper quote you mentioned...

I think browny will stay.

Lord_of_Stranton · **Joined:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:48 pm **Posts:** 1852

I still don't get why you're saying Brown will leave because Cooper wants to play with wingers. Fantastic wingers don't necessarily need blistering pace. They need a good brain and the ability to make a bit of space for themselves. Brown has this and thus will be a mainstay of the team next season in my opinion.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:56 pm

Cooper seems to like Brown and he is starting to improve under Cooper, so can't see any reason why he would let him go

poolietim · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:02 pm

I didn't say he WILL leave Stranton. Read it again and I am saying it wouldn't surprise me if he goes. Again not what i hope just an observation, a view.

Brown has done ok but I don't think he has been excellent and he has scored one goal. He is still a way short of the player he was and i'm not sure how much more he can give unforunately, plus he is never that far from a big injury history shows. If you read what Cooper said after Sammy Adjei left he intimated that operating with a small squad meant you can't carry players who are injury prone.

But to confirm I hope he stays and plays a big part next season as the player he once was, but I won't fall off my chair in shock if he is released.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Chip Fireball wrote:

Cooper has singled out a few players for special praise in the Mail, Murray, Brown, James, Baldwin, and Poole. More than anything for their attitude, which is clearly a very important factor in his thinking for next season.

Brown has been played in every game since Cooper picked the side so I'm really struggling to see why he would release him, especially after what he said about him in the Mail the other week.

Its pretty obvious which players Cooper doesnt like the attitude of, and they will be the ones leaving in the Summer I would assume, if they are out of contract.

Just releasing Solano, Boyd, Luscombe, Haslam, and Larkin, will free up a decent chunk. You would also assume Humps will finally be retiring, and Liddle will be playing elsewhere. If you start releasing many more players we wont have enough for a team.

Don't think Humphreys will be retiring, he wants to carry on playing even if it's not at Pools. Fact!

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:27 pm

Almost 200 appearances for the club, in what is effectively his 6th season with the club,isn't too bad for an injury prone player. If he is prone to injury, a lot of it is down to being a 'flair' player, who is targeted by the 'hard men' he has come up against kicking the sh*t out of him.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:27 pm

why would you release haslam ?

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Been up to much tonight aido? Caught any Premiership football?

returnofaido · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:34 pm

did you make a funny ?

chunky1988 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 pm **Posts:** 1066

anyone who thinks brown is injury prone down to bad luck is deluded....he constantly get the proverbial shit kicked out of him every game and the referee offers no protection....says a lot when his last 4/5 injuries have come from horrendous challenges which surprise go unpunished...he may not offer the goal threat he used to but he's added to his game and offers us a bit of creativity

returnofaido · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:40 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

returnofaido wrote:

why would you release haslam ?

I suspect Cooper will as he has Rowbotham, Holden, Johnson, and Baldwin, who are all young and capable of stepping up when required.

Why WOULD you keep him ? He has no real attributes worth perservering with.

other than consistency, flexibility, professionalism and adaptability ?

Lord_of_Stranton · **Joined:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:48 pm **Posts:** 1852

poolietim wrote:

I didn't say he WILL leave Stranton. Read it again and I am saying it wouldn't surprise me if he goes. Again not what i hope just an observation, a view.

My apologies, a misread on my part, I would be very surprised if he left though.

returnofaido wrote:

other than consistency, flexibility, professionalism and adaptability?

Consistency? Really? I hope he doesn't consistently perform like he did at Wycombe. Professionalism is the least any employer can expect if they are paying somebody to do their job, and I'm also struggling to make any useful differentiation between adaptability and flexibility.

With the lads we have coming through I'd be fine if Haslam departed, he'd have no trouble finding a club in League Two.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:11 pm

misterb2001 wrote:

The Mail said he has suffered a serious tear to his calf and is likely to be out for the rest of the season. With it being the Mail, I expect Collins to play on saturday

^^^^^^^^^^

This.

That Iraqi information minister under Saddam provided more accurate reporting than that bloke in the Mail.

Has Solano retired yet?

chunky1988 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 pm **Posts:** 1066

Chip Fireball wrote:

chunky1988 wrote:

anyone who thinks brown is injury prone down to bad luck is deluded....he constantly get the proverbial shit kicked out of him every game and the referee offers no protection....says a lot when his last 4/5 injuries have come from horrendous challenges which surprise go unpunished...he may not offer the goal threat he used to but he's added to his game and offers us a bit of creativity

Both Brown and James have had the living crap kicked out of them in recent games, especially away from home. Brown was poleaxed by a shocking tackle at Bury. The lad who wiped him out saw yellow, but like Bishops on Liddle it could, and possibly should, have been red.

You could say Luke James is injury prone, or James Poole for that matter. The reality is that the smaller, quicker, skillful players are much more likely to get whacked than say a centre half, so what do we suggest ? Doing away with flair players who take people on altogether ?

why on earth are you posting these questions to me? where in my post does it mention anything getting rid of brown/flair players....i pointed out he gets shit kicked out of him and he isn't injury prone at all

ronaldo · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:53 pm **Posts:** 861

Sure I read somewhere Collins out for season, like as been said though, if it was the Mail take it with a pinch of salt. Supposing he is though having suffered with a calf injury myself can well believe we wont see him again this season, even if could play towards the end of the season, why would Cooper risk the injury flaring up again, better to have complete rest in preparation for next season/

Personally I think Collins will be released, he has improved this season on last IMO but if we have play off ambitions we need to bring in a better centre half . Baldwin will benefit from a run in the team and looks a good prospect, but lets not get carried away, at his age could easily have as bad a game as he had a good game last week at Walsall.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:24 am

monkeybutt wrote:

On Collins twitter site, he is always saying he has to take ice baths for his legs, he may not feel up to another year

Now I'm not an Athlete/Footballer....but can someone who is please explain to me how a 35/36/37 year old Gadgey who has been in training since a teenager can when they reach that age suddenly turn into jelly!!!! confised

I'm coming up 40 and the amount of Graft I done today would....by the sounds of it....kill a 30 something Footballer!!!! confised

So what's it all about like????

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:27 am

PS....please don't say 'your knees go' like....smiftttt!!!! confised

chunky1988 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 pm **Posts:** 1066

Chip Fireball wrote:

I wasnt posing these questions at anyone in particular, I simply higlighted your post as I wished to comment on it.

I was agreeing with you in relation to Brown, but also highlighting the fact that Luke James has had a spell on the sidelines after taking a kicking.

I highlight good posts as well as bad ones.

oh well thanks chip...bit too eager to argue i guess

i feel sorry for the likes of james n brown because as its been pointed out people put in horrendous challenges and go unpunished and there's only so much a player can take of it before it affects his game...certainly in browns case

alienlife · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:09 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

The reality is that the smaller, quicker, skillful players are much more likely to get whacked than say a centre half, so what do we suggest ? Doing away with flair players who take people on altogether ?

I suppose the ideal scenario is that the small but skillful players sit on the wings or behind a powerful front pairing who distract the clogger centre halfs that seem to dominate many L1 defences and to make them have to really battle.

I don't know why but I always get the impression players like Poole and James would be more effective against some Championship or PL sides where they employ footballers to play in defence rather than rugby forwards who happen to be good at keepie up.
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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

And Collins is back in the team today... Never believe the mail

Collins out for season

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