Booing MoM decision

Jaimondo · **Joined:** Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:39 am **Posts:** 200

Why would anyone do that then

Rarfs

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

Don't know.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:42 am

Never heard that like.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

Troll alert !!!!!!!!!!!!

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

I did. In answer to the original question, probably for the same reason people set up Facebook threads entitled "Colin Nish Is Shit" and start messageboard threads after a good hard-fought point slagging off one of our players. (See also people booing substitutions, picking fights with our own fans at Away games because they defend OUR players, saying after Tuesdays win at Bury that "Flinders was at fault for their goal" etc..etc..etc..)

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

There is one bloke, actually there are loads, but this one bloke stands at the back of the town end, and has a cringingly loud voice, but a really whiny one, gave Ritchie Humphreys dogs abuse in the first half.

This bloke, looking at him, cannot ever have played sport at ANY level, especially not football, and is ridiculously ugly, so cannot be married, and his only release seems to be shouting as loud as he can at Pools, trying to sound hard.

I suspect there are loads like him.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

What are we to do then? Should we have people with prompting boards in front of each stand telling us " clap now" or " sing now" or "It's half time, go get a bovril"
In every ground in the country and probably in the World we have people reacting in different ways to what they see or, in most cases, what they think they see.
The only difference between me and yer bloke in the back of the Town End is that he thought Humps was shyte and shouted so, and I thought he was shyte and kept quiet. The common denominator however is that humps was shyte.
According to some people on here no one is entitled to scream at any player in a blue and white shirt and yet Barron and Coops do it all the time..........aye and Humps.
We're talking about football and football fans here and during games of football some people's passions run higher than others. How many matches do you have to go to before you realise that people are different and react in different ways. :roll:

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Chip Fireball wrote:

Collins is just an easy target for some fans, despite the fact he is sometimes our best defender. People tend to overlook it when Hartley is at fault for goals or hoofs the ball 75 yards to nobody, but it seems fashionable among the young uns to have a go at Collins. Lets face it they have to be having a go at someone.

Having a go at a player during a game is counter productive. Discussing a performance with someone stood next to you is fine, its part of the reason we go to games, hurling abuse at players who can hear it is indeed rarfism.

Discussing a performance after a game on here is the point of the message board. As is querying the selection process when it comes to the team. I dont think people were slagging off Humps per se, they were simply stating the obvious, he had a poor game, and doesn't look up to playing twice in 4 days against the better sides. I'm sure Cooper saw it that way too and thats why he took him off, and will probably replace him with Baldwin tomorrow night.

Spot on.

jish · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:46 am

Let's face it, grown men booing for any reason is pathetic.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

jish wrote:

Let's face it, grown men booing for any reason is pathetic.

As you said any reason
Is booing Lee Hughes pathetic?
Is booing the Ref pathetic?
Is booing the linos pathetic?
Is booing any opposition player pathetic?

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

derwent wrote:

What are we to do then? Should we have people with prompting boards in front of each stand telling us " clap now" or " sing now" or "It's half time, go get a bovril"
In every ground in the country and probably in the World we have people reacting in different ways to what they see or, in most cases, what they think they see.
The only difference between me and yer bloke in the back of the Town End is that he thought Humps was shyte and shouted so, and I thought he was shyte and kept quiet. The common denominator however is that humps was shyte.
According to some people on here no one is entitled to scream at any player in a blue and white shirt and yet Barron and Coops do it all the time..........aye and Humps.
We're talking about football and football fans here and during games of football some people's passions run higher than others. How many matches do you have to go to before you realise that people are different and react in different ways. :roll:

Everyone is entitled to do or say exactly what they want Frank. Doesn't make it right, or acceptable. I've seen some embarrassing stuff following Pools over the years. People booing players ONTO the field as they come on as sub... People making ridiculous songs up about how shit Colin Nish is and then trying to fight people who don't join in...people SLATING, and I mean really slating our players, into their faces, for being "Bottlers" after we had just finished in Second Place in the league.
Please tell me what could possibly be achieved by any of the above actions?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

ElvisC wrote:

derwent wrote:

What are we to do then? Should we have people with prompting boards in front of each stand telling us " clap now" or " sing now" or "It's half time, go get a bovril"
In every ground in the country and probably in the World we have people reacting in different ways to what they see or, in most cases, what they think they see.
The only difference between me and yer bloke in the back of the Town End is that he thought Humps was shyte and shouted so, and I thought he was shyte and kept quiet. The common denominator however is that humps was shyte.
According to some people on here no one is entitled to scream at any player in a blue and white shirt and yet Barron and Coops do it all the time..........aye and Humps.
We're talking about football and football fans here and during games of football some people's passions run higher than others. How many matches do you have to go to before you realise that people are different and react in different ways. :roll:

Everyone is entitled to do or say exactly what they want Frank. Doesn't make it right, or acceptable. I've seen some embarrassing stuff following Pools over the years. People booing players ONTO the field as they come on as sub... People making ridiculous songs up about how shit Colin Nish is and then trying to fight people who don't join in...people SLATING, and I mean really slating our players, into their faces, for being "Bottlers" after we had just finished in Second Place in the league.
Please tell me what could possibly be achieved by any of the above actions?

You know and I know its pathetic.

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:41 pm

The dislike for some players is so deeply embedded in there heads it clouds them. on Saturday JB lost the ball and this gadgie next to me shouted Boyd your shiite so i pointed out it was Brown not Boyd and asked him to move away from me.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

I have said many times before, I think Hartlepool is just "Blessed" with more retarded fools than most places.

alleztfc · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:44 pm

Best not to give the numpties head-space. yawn1

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

We hav just as many idiots as every other club and im surprised people still seem surprised by the latest goings on.

Everyone in the world is different and going to act in different ways.

Yes abusing players during the game is wrong and counter productive but no one is going to stop it.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

We hav just as many idiots as every other club and im surprised people still seem surprised by the latest goings on.

Everyone in the world is different and going to act in different ways.

Yes abusing players during the game is wrong and counter productive but no one is going to stop it.

You'd be amazed. A lot of my friends from work (I work for York's biggest employer) support York City and over the years I've been to quite a few matches with them (both when they were IN the League, and as a Conference outfit). I'm telling you, their supporters do NOT abuse their own players like ours do. Likewise some very good friends support Exeter and have commented on a few occasions whilst up here about the amount of chuntering that goes on. We are, by nature, quite a negative bunch...despite over a decade of relative success.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

ElvisC wrote:

derwent wrote:

What are we to do then? Should we have people with prompting boards in front of each stand telling us " clap now" or " sing now" or "It's half time, go get a bovril"
In every ground in the country and probably in the World we have people reacting in different ways to what they see or, in most cases, what they think they see.
The only difference between me and yer bloke in the back of the Town End is that he thought Humps was shyte and shouted so, and I thought he was shyte and kept quiet. The common denominator however is that humps was shyte.
According to some people on here no one is entitled to scream at any player in a blue and white shirt and yet Barron and Coops do it all the time..........aye and Humps.
We're talking about football and football fans here and during games of football some people's passions run higher than others. How many matches do you have to go to before you realise that people are different and react in different ways. :roll:

Everyone is entitled to do or say exactly what they want Frank. Doesn't make it right, or acceptable. I've seen some embarrassing stuff following Pools over the years. People booing players ONTO the field as they come on as sub... People making ridiculous songs up about how shit Colin Nish is and then trying to fight people who don't join in...people SLATING, and I mean really slating our players, into their faces, for being "Bottlers" after we had just finished in Second Place in the league.
Please tell me what could possibly be achieved by any of the above actions?

I'm not saying it's right Phil...............nor am I saying it's acceptable but it happens. I have never seen anybody on here up in arms over the ref getting booed or Lee hughes getting booed as he comes on, or as you read his name out, or everytime he gets the ball. The people who get hot under the collar over our players getting booed, don't seem to mind who else gets booed as long as they haven't got a Pools shirt on. If people don't like booing then apply the principle to everyone not just the select few.
I don't think it achieves anything personally, which is why I don't do it. However I am not so arrogant that I see that I have the right to tell other people what they should do or not do.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:28 pm

derwent wrote:

ElvisC wrote:

derwent wrote:

What are we to do then? Should we have people with prompting boards in front of each stand telling us " clap now" or " sing now" or "It's half time, go get a bovril"
In every ground in the country and probably in the World we have people reacting in different ways to what they see or, in most cases, what they think they see.
The only difference between me and yer bloke in the back of the Town End is that he thought Humps was shyte and shouted so, and I thought he was shyte and kept quiet. The common denominator however is that humps was shyte.
According to some people on here no one is entitled to scream at any player in a blue and white shirt and yet Barron and Coops do it all the time..........aye and Humps.
We're talking about football and football fans here and during games of football some people's passions run higher than others. How many matches do you have to go to before you realise that people are different and react in different ways. :roll:

Everyone is entitled to do or say exactly what they want Frank. Doesn't make it right, or acceptable. I've seen some embarrassing stuff following Pools over the years. People booing players ONTO the field as they come on as sub... People making ridiculous songs up about how shit Colin Nish is and then trying to fight people who don't join in...people SLATING, and I mean really slating our players, into their faces, for being "Bottlers" after we had just finished in Second Place in the league.
Please tell me what could possibly be achieved by any of the above actions?

I'm not saying it's right Phil...............nor am I saying it's acceptable but it happens. I have never seen anybody on here up in arms over the ref getting booed or Lee hughes getting booed as he comes on, or as you read his name out, or everytime he gets the ball. The people who get hot under the collar over our players getting booed, don't seem to mind who else gets booed as long as they haven't got a Pools shirt on. If people don't like booing then apply the principle to everyone not just the select few.
I don't think it achieves anything personally, which is why I don't do it. However I am not so arrogant that I see that I have the right to tell other people what they should do or not do.

Boooooooooooooooo

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

There you go Phil, we've both been booed. :grin:

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

As for you young chrissystevo, the next time I see you it's trousers down and a smacked arse for you me laddo. :wink:

That's unless you appear to like that sort of thing !!!! :shock:

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

derwent wrote:

There you go Phil, we've both been booed. :grin:

I got booed on Saturday, I also saw one bloke mouth "He's No Better Than John Orley"! clappp

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

ElvisC wrote:

derwent wrote:

There you go Phil, we've both been booed. :grin:

I got booed on Saturday, I also saw one bloke mouth "He's No Better Than John Orley"! clappp

you can't win em all old son. :grin:

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:50 pm

Boo-erns

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

It was boo-erns not boooo

jish · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:48 pm

derwent wrote:

jish wrote:

Let's face it, grown men booing for any reason is pathetic.

As you said any reason
Is booing Lee Hughes pathetic?
Is booing the Ref pathetic?
Is booing the linos pathetic?
Is booing any opposition player pathetic?

Yes. All of them are pathetic actions if you are a grown man. It's football, not a pantomime

Compo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:49 pm

Oh yes it is!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

Oh no its not !!!!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

jish wrote:

derwent wrote:

jish wrote:

Let's face it, grown men booing for any reason is pathetic.

As you said any reason
Is booing Lee Hughes pathetic?
Is booing the Ref pathetic?
Is booing the linos pathetic?
Is booing any opposition player pathetic?

Yes. All of them are pathetic actions if you are a grown man. It's football, not a pantomime

Fine, thank you for the answers.
Can you tell me what a person or a crowd is supposed to do to show disapproval?

jish · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:06 pm

Something other than booing I would suggest. I'm pretty sure that the players/officials realise when the crowd are supporting them and when they are getting on their backs. We've moved on since living in caves and communicating by grunting.

I shout at players and officials. I just don't boo as i find it pathetic. Soz n tha!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

jish wrote:

Something other than booing I would suggest. I'm pretty sure that the players/officials realise when the crowd are supporting them and when they are getting on their backs. We've moved on since living in caves and communicating by grunting.

I shout at players and officials. I just don't boo as i find it pathetic. Soz n tha!

So you choose to shout to show your disapproval and the guy next to you chooses to boo, are you expressing your disapproval any better or worse than him???

jish · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:28 pm

I'm not arguing with you. I'm merely stating my opinion therefore I'll be as clear as possible for you

I don't boo

I occasionally shout at players and officials if it is warranted

I'm not on a one man crusade to stop booing. I am merely saying that I find grown men booing cringeworthy. The actual act of booing. As in Boooooooooooooo

If you want to boo, fine. I'll continue to find it cringeworthy and pathetic and you'll feel vindicated no doubt. We both win!

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

ElvisC wrote:

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

We hav just as many idiots as every other club and im surprised people still seem surprised by the latest goings on.

Everyone in the world is different and going to act in different ways.

Yes abusing players during the game is wrong and counter productive but no one is going to stop it.

You'd be amazed. A lot of my friends from work (I work for York's biggest employer) support York City and over the years I've been to quite a few matches with them (both when they were IN the League, and as a Conference outfit). I'm telling you, their supporters do NOT abuse their own players like ours do. Likewise some very good friends support Exeter and have commented on a few occasions whilst up here about the amount of chuntering that goes on. We are, by nature, quite a negative bunch...despite over a decade of relative success.

Yeah and maybe thats just one of the reasons York City cant get back into the football league.
When the team are playing well and the Vic is loud and bouncing the players get a lift and on our day can beat anyone in our league as proved last season when we beat teams that ended up getting promoted.
The other side of the coin is we show our disapproval when things arent going right and players/managers fall below standard.
The crowd has an influence on everything on and off the pitch, that includes players getting dropped and managers getting the sack.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

Chip Fireball wrote:

York cant get back in theFootball League because their fans dont abuse their players ???

I've read some shite on here in my time but thats up there with the daftest.

No daft lad, my point is maybe ONE of reasons York cant get into the football league is they have a quiet crowd with low expectations who cant influence games and lift players.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:24 pm

Whatever anyone says abusing your own players can't be justified or be anything but counter productive. If your bizarre logic about York was true we'd surely be in the Premiership now!

I think this is fairly cut and dry, Collins is named man of the match not many people agreed with it some fucking morons decided to boo then chant "there's only one Paul Murray" How can anyone even begin to justify that 'support?' especially during a fully committed 1-1 draw against a bloody good side... Sam even suggested on twitter that he didn't deserve MOTM but he also didn't deserve that either.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:29 pm

Honest question, where was the booing and singing coming from? I heard none of this but it seems everyone else did.

I do recall singing theres only one Paul Murray but long before MOTM was announced.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:32 pm

I heard 2, maybe 3 people booing from the town end, was over very quickly. I think they are just too thick to realise that the MoM isnt an official thing, just some half cut bloke in the boxes giving his opinion.

I disagreed with it too, but booing it was laughable

alienlife · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:51 pm

I heard and indeed was one of the fans that criticised some players on Saturday for various things, e.g. not playing Adjei in early enough, not being that committed to challenges and being slower than a cart horse with an arthritic leg. But I didn't hear anyone abuse our players in such a way that the players could hear. I also heard lots of laughing and grumbles at the MOM decision but no booing.

I posted this when it went to print but it seems relevant to stick it up again for the hard of thinking http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ts-players

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

jish wrote:

I'm not arguing with you. I'm merely stating my opinion therefore I'll be as clear as possible for you

I don't boo

I occasionally shout at players and officials if it is warranted

I'm not on a one man crusade to stop booing. I am merely saying that I find grown men booing cringeworthy. The actual act of booing. As in Boooooooooooooo

If you want to boo, fine. I'll continue to find it cringeworthy and pathetic and you'll feel vindicated no doubt. We both win!

And I'm not arguing with you. I am asking questions to try and understand where you're coming from.
And as I've said, I don't boo nor do I shout at players. I comment yes, but if they can hear those comments I would be extremely surprised.
Shouting encouragement at players I think is good, shouting anything that is having a go at them I think is counter productive, but I accept that if people want to do that, who am I to stop them. As I said earlier Coops does it, so he must considerate it productive as the player on the receiving end probably thinks if he doesn't please the Boss he'll be out.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

When Collins was announced as MOTM I detected an audible groan from around the ground but no booing.
On the occasions when the ball was given away I heard the same groan.
A bloke near me said " I don't agree with that". I thought that as well but didn't say it. I don't see anything wrong with comments like that. It's not as if Collins could hear it, and even if he could he is big enough and experienced enough to take it.
As Elvis said Pools crowds have always got on players backs and its not just the young uns.
If you don't like it ignore it as the more people complain about it the more the whingers will whinge.
However we have never ever ever dished out the sort of abuse that is dished out at Elland Road or the abuse Man Utd and Liverpool fans are capable of against each other.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

alienlife wrote:

I heard and indeed was one of the fans that criticised some players on Saturday for various things, e.g. not playing Adjei in early enough, not being that committed to challenges and being slower than a cart horse with an arthritic leg. But I didn't hear anyone abuse our players in such a way that the players could hear. I also heard lots of laughing and grumbles at the MOM decision but no booing.

I posted this when it went to print but it seems relevant to stick it up again for the hard of thinking http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ts-players

Whilst I agree with the sentiment of the article Mr Life, writing such things only serves to encourage the morons to do more taunting etc, whereas reasonable people don't do it anyway.

Jaimondo · **Joined:** Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:39 am **Posts:** 200

The booing came from the town end Derwent, definitely. many people wouldn't agree with the decision taken by a drunken blokey from across the water and some shake their head, even laugh but to boo? very strange!

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:07 pm

The back four all deserve credit for Saturday, even though at times we were under the cosh for much of the first half and at times in the second the only actual serious attempts at goal were Chadwick's two from distance that hit the post, one taking a huge deflection. Which makes how soft the goal we ended up all the more annoying. Everything else got blocked, tackled and closed down- a fully commited performance. Nobody deserved howls of derision or boos.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12368

In fairness the system is, I believe, that the match sponsors pick the MOTM. If they pick someone then that's their choice and it should be respected. I think the reaction was one of surprise which would be spontaneous. If the booing was only in the town end and down to the odd few, then a mountain is being made out of a molehill.
There were probably more boos at Bovrilgate !!!!!!!!!!!! :grin:

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:17 pm

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

A couple of weeks ago 60000 arsenal fans booed when Chamberlain was subbed for Arshavin.
They weren't booing the russian they were booing Wenger for taking the wrong player off.
How about our fans were voicing their disagreement with MOM choice and not aiming it at the player himself.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

Chip Fireball wrote:

klinger wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

York cant get back in theFootball League because their fans dont abuse their players ???

I've read some shite on here in my time but thats up there with the daftest.

No daft lad, my point is maybe ONE of reasons York cant get into the football league is they have a quiet crowd with low expectations who cant influence games and lift players.

Lol, it just gets better. He didn't say they had a quiet crowd did he ? He said their fans didnt abuse their own players like ours do.

I may be daft, but at least I can read. :roll:

Yeah you can read which makes me surprised you totally misinterpreted my post. The crowd at a Sunday league match cannot be compared with Div1.

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 pm

Sunday League match?

York City, after a quick check, get 2500-3000 crowds.

Hardly Sunday League, and enough to generate an atmosphere to help get their club promoted, I would have thought. :wink:

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:37 pm

I do think that this is being made into something it's not. It's not like large section of the crowd were booing, was probably an isolated pocket of no more than 10 people I'd imagine.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

BillinghamPoolie wrote:

Sunday League match?

York City, after a quick check, get 2500-3000 crowds.

Hardly Sunday League, and enough to generate an atmosphere to help get their club promoted, I would have thought. :wink:

The fact they have spent close to 10 years in the conference might suggest otherwise :wink:

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