Schools to promote books discussing homosexual couples. This at primary school level. Right or wrong ?

Leave it altogether. Politically correct people piiisss me off so much

Totally wrong....even at Senior School!!!!

Let the bummers find out for themselves....normal kids shouldn't have to listen to Teachers being perverted!!!!

wrong.

Its probably not done to be politically correct Mr Tree. I would imagine they're thinking of doing it because they believe its the best way to stop gay kids (or kids who arent even gay but just a bit different and therefore called gay) getting the shit kicked out of them in senior school. They probably think leaving it til senior school is too late as attitudes have already become embedded.
I havent read anything about this and I like to have facts and opinions before coming to my own opinion but at first I agreed exactly with what elvis said.
Then I thought, my son is four nearly and I would have no problem whatsoever with him knowing that blokes or women can live together. Intellectually he's ready for it and I dont think it would make any difference whatsoever to his sexuality. Most teachers arent perverts desperately trying to turn the county into a nation of queens, they're just bog standard normal people.
If all they're doing is saying that some blokes live together and some women do and there's nothing wrong with that, then thats fine by me, because to me there is nothing wrong with that.

The trouble always is with this sort of thing that tho there's a need to do something, to stop bullying and discrimination, the question is what will work?
Even very young kids in primary school are sometimes made suicidal by 'gay' taunts ( irrespective of whether they're gay or not)

Bringing an awareness of 'gay' issues - i.e. a mention of their existence and an acceptance it exists - seems fine to me. Any more than that and its getting to Guardian for my liking.

Bully's will always find something to bully someone over, get rid of one thing and the bully will just find another...... better to identify the bully and sort them out. As for sexuality, why do some homosexuals and lesbians find a constant need to identify themselves by their sexuality...if pople just want to live a normal mundane life in their way, the best way to start, is to dispense with the ...'look at me, I'm gay' attitude and just get on with life.

Completely wrong!

Half the kids - not in our town - in primary school dont even know what sex is to start off with never mind having to learn about two men having 'sex' or two women having 'sex' they are just too yount to understand.

Surely its one of those things that you find out yourself when you realise you like boys if your a boy or you like girls if your a girl. The kids will know that boys are meant for girls and it will fully confuse the poor little kids!

So a big fat to learning about gay activities at primary school

Yeah they do Snowy and I can understand how that irritates people. But doesnt some of all types of people behave in that way?
Its probably a response to society saying (through history) that what they do is immoral and disgusting. If someone said that to you, you would probably react in a certain way too.
Mind you, thats some.
Plenty of gay people cant stand the camp over the top queens for giving all gay people a bad press.
And sorting out bulllies is probably what they think they are doing in this, as in trying to change values instead of waiting til kids have already started bullying. Stopping it at source.
Anyway, that Mr I's gone quiet, knowing by dropping this one into the bunker pond he would have stirred a few ripples.

I dont think they're actually gonna show gay porn to them chinny
They dont show straight sex or talk about it do they?

Sex stuff im sure is shown, though i could be wrong. I do vaguely remember my kid brother telling me how 'sex education' was 'fun' today!

disgrace - you can tell who the little puffs are at school anyway - give them the gayboy classes

You can totally tell!!!

You could totally....for some strange reason the knocked about with lasses!!!!
It's always confused me that!!!!

It does start to seem as though the worst thing you can possibly be nowadays is Mr Ordinary, white, straight, boring, 9-5, married with two kids, Joe.

Why not tell primary school kids about transexuals as well, its fucking ridiculous. Who thinks of these ideas? Kids well find out about other cultures or sexual preferences soon enough without school intervention. It seems to be anything goes in this country at the moment, no matter how ridiculous something sounds.......

We are being governed by people in all the major parties who have f**k all experience of anything in the big nasty world outside. They've all went to nice schools and nice uni's and had nice non jobs then went into politics. Their odd view of the world is shaped by the company they keep and is a strange abstract world of ideals not relevant to the ordinary person.......and then we wonder why?

But as I understand it, the books do not "promote" anything. They just describe a reality. Are we saying that we can't tell it like it is?

Aah not Mr Marx, now were into semantics. I said they were promoting the books not the content.

The books simply tell stories and in some of those stories men live with men and women with women. It's not graphic, there's no description of sex, it's not promoting anything, it just describes a reality for some families. Face it guys, whether you like it or not, individuals of the same sex live together, with kids.

And it's got nothing to do with the government; a publisher has decided that there's a niche in the market for "honest" literature for kids.

What's more disturbing than the books, is the reaction of some on here. Over the top at best.

It's one of those totally entangled ishoos that you despair of unravelling.
I can assure you that most primary children know at least as much about sex as you do!
On the one hand I'm totally fed up with the way, once your child passes the school gates, s/he becomes the 'property' of the state education system, to do what it wants with. On the other hand, if we're ever going to get anywhere kids have to learn that they must let other people do/be/ say/believe anything they want as long as other people's rights aren't affected.
I agree with Mr Marx, the books don't have to promote anything...just present gay couples (perhaps in stories) in a normal non judgemental way

This country is completely bonkers now....God help us if the Liberals ever got in!!!!

Why is it bonkers? Are you saying that we can't tell it like it is?

My personal view is that schools should teach hetrosexuality as the norm without fear of persecution. A man and woman together is the way we were designed - ie sex is primarily about procreation. By all means the alternatives should be part of sex education at the appropriate time but primary school is not it. I'd be horrified if my 7 year old boy found out about what homosexual men get up to.

As far as homosexual couples are concerned, I don't think they should be persecuted in any way and certainly at school bullying should be be stamped out ruthlessly. If a kid feels that he has gay tendancies then he/she needs somewhere to go and talk about it but I absolutely maintain that the 'norm' is and always should be heterosexuality.

I'm just saying that Liberals are all mentalists and before we know it homosexual dogs and cats would be getting council houses before young familes if the Liberals got into power!!!!

But it is 'normal' now!!!!

Every programme on TV has to have its token gay....cos it's normal!!!!

BTW....I'm not Homophobic....I just hate the way it's rammed down our throats and percieved as 'normal'!!!!

Anything that helps quell bigotry is alright in my book.

and it's needed as well, judging by some of the responses on here

Whatever you get up to in private Mutley is purely a matter for you

Puff!!!!

Like it or not, gays are normal. They are about as normal as left-handed people.

Yeah righto'!!!!

So having a bloke bent over in front of you with his hairy arse cheeks spread and bolloxs dangling is normal to you....God help us all!!!!

no-one's making you do it are they??

you're mixing up 'normal' and 'common'

the opposite of 'common' is uncommon', the opposite of 'normal' is 'abnormal'

But leaving aside the question if what schools should teach, heterosexuality might be the 'norm' in our society,,,but that just means it's how most people behave. In some other cultures, like ancient Greece I think, the 'norm' was homosexuality. Because something isn't the norm, doesn't mean it's unnatural.
Why are some people so worried by homosexuality....that's the interesting question?
As someone once said, the only real perversion is abstinence!

So tell me which nature intended:

man + woman = baby
man + man = no baby
woman + woman = no baby

How can two woofters be considered normal? It is their own personal choice to be gay and rightly so but kids can make decisions when they are mature enough to do so without crappy little books influancing them one way or another.

Well, one theory is that homosexuality is a natural mechanism for controlling over-population. You can't say that we don't need a bit of that.

Besides, can you put your hand on your heart and say that the reason you've given is the reason you 'disapprove 'of homosexuality?

jesus thats a balanced view

I also think its wrong to teach kids that age about specifics. but kids will learn far more from their home environment at an an early age than they ever will from books,and if you want to teach them that being a "woofter" is wrong thats up to you.my kids will get what I think is a balanced view,they have met actual gay people and so far they haven't grown two heads

Watever happened to the good old days "Gay Bashing" at the Burny Bogs.

The topic is about gay books in primary schools, I think that primary school is too early to even talk about the gay way.

When kids read about fireman they want to be firman, when they read about farmer jack suddenly they want to be farmers. Having books about Nigel and Simon living together or whatever really is a bit silly and will be confusing for young kids.

If parents want to talk to kids about particular issues then it is up to parents to judge when the time is right.

In an ideal world jonny that would be so, but I think playstation books on the subject might be of more use in the home as a lot of parents don't give a toss as long as the kids are quiet.

actually research has shown that homophobic bullying started in primary school leads to hate crime in later years.......

In primary school if a child mocks or calls , coloured,disabled,ginger, or any other group they will be corrected even by school play ground staff and teachers...

The same childen will use the word "gay" to call or describe anyone they wish to deride because they know it will go un-corrected....

In later life after years of re-inforcing the anti-gay theme......when those people are leaving the pub, pissed up and off by something totally unrelated and want to kick somthing they will often hit out at anyone they believe to be "gay" because thats "ok"!

Kids are going to name call and some adults will be boneheads when they are pissed up. That is never going to change. When I was at primary school it was very much 'survival of the fittest' and no matter what initiatives are brought in it will probably always be that way.

As for research, it can prove just about anything as the global warming debate shows.....!

You must lead a very dull life if you view sex as primarily about procreation. I'm trying to enjoy my sexuality and avoid procreation at all costs, thank you very much!

........ it isn't just for procreation..? now you tell me.... 467 kids later

The obvious question here is, "what exactly is everyone afraid of"? The global warming debate is simple - it's about our quality of life. Here, I can't see why everyone gets so uptight about a book. What's going on?

No shagging the missus up the arse is the natural mechanism for that