So guys,

Was wondering what use all think the average attendance/highest attendance will be next season? As everyone is aware we have sold 5,600 season tickets, with last years average attendance only being 3,400?

Discuss

Average about 5.5 if we start well, 4 if we don`t and 6.5 if really well, think the newbies will slope off if we start slowly and the winter bites, hope not but nowt as queer as folk

I think we can do pretty well if the attendance stays high and get behind the lads! Makes a big difference getting bigger crowds!

i think attendences will stay strong, if people have paid for a ticket, there not just gunna stop coming if we start doing poor, i know i certainly wouldnt.

Maybe i'm just naive anyway

Gonna take one of them bottles to pee in, imagine the queues at half time and unless they get staff in them food units me own brew and half time snackeroo

No maybe about it

I think midweek may drop a few hundred, especially in the winter months. But for weekend games, i think the attendances will stay reasonably high

I think we will average over 6000 - I think that the extra fans will motivate the players and also help us to get more decisions at home.

I also might be wrong but I think a lot of the season tickets were bought by people who were attending regular a couple of years ago, they are massive Pools fas but maybe have felt the pinch in the pocket over te last couple of years so haven't been able to afford going to the vic...

Whilst a good start will obviously be more conducive to a higher percentage of ticket holders coming along I like to think we'll have a good turn out regardless.

But as a few have already mentioned it really is over to the players now to ensure that enthusiasm remains high.

do you still support sunderland too?

(hoping i dont have you mixed up with someone else)

Why should we average more than last season, if we start well ok we will get around 4000, many people who bought the £100 Tickets like my self work away from home, I only bought the ticket to guarantee admission when I am back in town. Bad weather will also keep the crowds down as people will say well it only cost £100 so why stand in the cold.

Of course we will average more than last season

Not forgetting the exiles who bought tickets because they thought it was the right thing to do. Some of them, myself included will get to 6-10 games at best.

and poolie nottinghams young bern!

if that young baby doesnt make at least 15 games i wont be happy!

Wasn't that Castor Troy?

castor deflected onto sunderland and if this person is who i think he is he was a mackem too.

I dont hold grudges tho, just the right to hammer them!

Like Mr I I'm not sure how many I'll get to. I think we've pencilled in 14 home games which is pretty ambitious. I'll be happy to get to ten games and I doubt that any of them will be on a Tuesday night.

Yes i do haha!

Who's this?

Don't care who people have supported or still like if they have bought a season ticket and a new pools shirt they are welcome.

Could be up to 1000 season tickets held by people that cant make it every game, exiles, people seeing us as their 2nd club, babies that dont know any better. When I bought mine a woman in the queue was buying one for her hubby who supports Sunderland "in case he fancies watching Pools", be may only use the ticket as grounds for divorce!

But I would imagine we'll average around 4500

Wont our average attendance be at least 5674?

It depends if they measure on people who've paid to attend or people passing through the gates.

Still a vast improvement though eh?? And I think a lot of the 'do I spend 18 snots this afty or have a good night out tonight' brigade wont have to make that decision so ongoing through the season I think it'll stay at around 4800 plus aways.

First few games of course will be the biggest as the novelty value will kick in and if the results go well it'll stay high.

By the way, you red and white monster, I'm a chap not a guy. Has Sunderland moved to California??

It's turnstile clicks innit??

[quote="Spender"] And I think a lot of the 'do I spend 18 snots this afty or have a good night out tonight' brigade wont have to make that decision so ongoing through the season I think it'll stay at around 4800 plus aways.
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Nail hit on head

Not forgetting increased away support with more northern clubs

Surely an attendance is how many people actually attend the game?

So what if 2000 turn up at 2pm, and then 5674 season ticket holders turn up at 2:45?

They will only be allowed to let 1000 non season ticket holders in.

Surely only them will be counted?

Not according to Garry Gibson and his magic calculator.

Based on this link, I would suspect that the average attendance will be higher than season tickets sold.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1083630/The-truth-modern-day-attendances-How-clubs-count-missing-fans.html

I cant see how the could do it any other way. And why would they bother?

We can only allow approx 1000 people in next season, so why waste time counting everyone through the turnstiles?

Our average attendance will be 5674 minimum. F UCKING FACT.

I don't think Pools use that method. I think they use the traditional clicks on the turnstile.

There will only be about 500 millhouse terrace cash tickets availabe and about 300 town end cash tickets. Once they have gone no one else will be allowed in paying cash even if 3000 season ticket holders don't turn up...

It's not that difficult to write down the totals from the clickometer on about 20 turnstiles and add them together is it...?

Excuse my ignorance as I've never had a season ticket before, but if I cant get to a game will I be able to tear out the ticket for that game and give it to someone else or would I have to loan them the entire book of tickets?

Give em the book, they sometimes do checks.

As it's been already pointed out it's impossible for us to have a smaller official attendance than season tickets sold. Those people have purchased a valid ticket for every game so are accounted for in the attendance. So our lowest attendance of the season will be greater than 5,700 and that would take hardly any away support or pay on the gate punters.

We'll average about 6,100 if we average around 400 away fans game which with a more Northern based division next year we will.

I still think it's daft that the attendance could be 6000 even if there's only 4500 there

pj thats gotta be bobbins mate.

You cant announce the attendance as 6,000 if there is only 4,000 in the ground.

The attendance is calculated upon how many people turn up on the day.

Say we have a game and 100 people turned up, would the club say we had 5,700 there?

Yeah I would have thought its purely down to how many pass through the gates. I have no idea of the definite ins and outs of the situation but surely this has to be the case from a health and safety perspective? I can't imagine anyone being allowed to declare that there are less people in the ground than are actually there (as daft as that may sound) so, therefore, I don't see why it would be OK to do the opposite.

Either way I suppose we'll find out at some point this season.

It's not bobbins at all.

On Sky Sports news last year I remember a Bradford game late in the season on Tuesday night when a big Champions League gme was on, the 'head in the stand' gadgie said something like "tonight's crowd is very sparse and although the attendance will be announced in the region of ten thousand I'd estimate half of that is the actual number of people in the ground"... all because of season ticket holders being accounted for. Boro by accounts had some astoundingly low crowds in the final days of Strachan the official figure got no lower than 13/14,000 because of season ticket holders.

Those 5,700 tickets have been sold for 23 league games.

PJ is right

I always wondered how they calculated the gate... (Gibson apart) and could never work it out.
The include/not include season ticket holders explains alot.

Allowing the club to make the decision seems a bit daft really.

Just because other clubs use this method it doesn't mean that Pools will. Anyway I will message them on Twitter to see if they give an answer...

We have flogged 5,700 season tickets

Did you spot all of the empty advertising spaces at the Vic last season? The whole back of the Town End? The Middle part of the Millhouse?

Why on earth from a commercial point of view would we not account for every single season ticket holder at every match?

Average crowd = number of people through the turnstiles over 23 games divided by 23.

Anyone who thinks different is wrong.

To include people who weren't at a game just because they joined in a fantastic deal is silly.

IMO

It's not silly of you are trying to sell advertising space or corporate packages, or trying to get a shirt sponsor. Averaging 6,000 opens doors, averaging 3,000 probably closes a few.

The advertising space will be sold before the season starts - at least I would hope so anyway.

Counting the crowd is a totally different issue and at Pools as far as I am aware they have always used the turnstie clickometers to do this. We have had several sell outs over the last 10 years but none of them have been at the vics full capacity so that suggests to me that they are counting people that enter rather than tickets sold.

The past is irrelevant, you are missing the point.

As well Jonny given we have had loads of advertising boards empty around the Vic in recent seasons (the back of the Cyril Knowles used to be full of adverts as well adding to what I mentioned earlier) do you think they'd refuse to take peoples money mid season!?

If your correct pj, hufc may well get back to jonny to confirm this, then pools must have changed how they do things, i asked paul mullen years ago, how come if we sold out a certain match, cant remember which one it was might have been darlo in play offs, the attendance given wasnt a full attendance, he said cos certain people who may have bought tickets didnt show. So back in them days only people who turned up on the day were counted. Which i think makes sense.

Darlo in the play offs - attendance less than 7000 when capacity wasn't.

Bristol City (play offs), Brentford (fa cup). - Both home sell outs but when you take off the away fans you have different home crowds.

Maybe things are done differently now...