Ashes

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:48 pm

About to start. Come on England whip those Aussie barstewards.

Jonny · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:22 am

Come on England...

Booked the time off work to watch it - love it...

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Have also taken a couple of days leave for it.

Can't understand why they've just had a minutes silence for an incident that happened in another country though

alybaba · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:53 am

Only watching half hour up at five

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

alybaba wrote:

Only watching half hour up at five

We'll be all out by then at this rate

ozblue · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:34 am

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Have also taken a couple of days leave for it.

Can't understand why they've just had a minutes silence for an incident that happened in another country though

its because there was a few ozzys killed....

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:42 am

So much expectation on us and yet again we end up second best to the Aussies if that first day is anything to go by.

ozblue · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:48 am

Warwick Hunt wrote:

So much expectation on us and yet again we end up second best to the Aussies if that first day is anything to go by.

ya dont hear the last of it over here when they win summat.
i really enjoy seeing the ozzys taking a beating in any sport there in...

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

chrissafc wrote:

awful start.

Collingwood to be dropped 2nd test, horrendous form lately

Not going to happen and a silly suggestion IMO.

At 197/4 we were in a strong position but one over has changed the whole Test. Long way to go yet though. Need to keep them under 320 now.

GroovyCrimes · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:53 pm

Crickets shit anyway.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:55 pm

GroovyCrimes wrote:

Crickets shit anyway.

They certainly do, although they're that small that I guess you'd have to be specifically looking for it to see it.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:47 pm

chrissafc wrote:

awful start.

Collingwood to be dropped 2nd test, horrendous form lately

Only Bell got more runs in the warm up's, and he quite likes batting at Adelaide so that isn't going to happen.

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:56 pm

chrissafc wrote:

awful start.

Collingwood to be dropped 2nd test, horrendous form lately

And replace him with who? Morgan?

He's unconvincing so far in test cricket and I would back an established cricketer with a test 200 in in Oz already against someone who has played a handful of tests.

truebluetoo · **Joined:** Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:44 am **Posts:** 6

disagree - he will come good. today's start was just a blip for him and the side in general. we will win the series 3-1.

Warwick Hunt wrote:

chrissafc wrote:

awful start.

Collingwood to be dropped 2nd test, horrendous form lately

And replace him with who? Morgan?

He's unconvincing so far in test cricket and I would back an established cricketer with a test 200 in in Oz already against someone who has played a handful of tests.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

ozblue wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Have also taken a couple of days leave for it.

Can't understand why they've just had a minutes silence for an incident that happened in another country though

its because there was a few ozzys killed....

Indeed there were, probably a lot less than Aussies killed in car accidents over the last week though...should we have a minutes silence for them too?

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:39 pm

chrissafc wrote:

collys recent form

4 - today
0 - pakistan lords 26th aug
3 - pakistan oval 18th aug
5 - pakistan oval 18th aug
28 - pakistan - birmingham - 6th aug
1 - pakistan - trent bridge - 29th july
82 - pakistan - trent bridge - 29th july
0 - bangladseh - dhaka - 20th march
3 - bangladesh - chittagong - 12th march
145 - bangladesh - chittagong - 12th march

But if you go back a little further to the previous series in South Africa he got scores of 71, 47, 40, 19, 91, 26, & 50.

Stats can be twisted to prove anything.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:08 pm

Plus he scored 80 odd and a 90 odd in the games before the Test, if you asked him he'd probably say he was in good nick. He's got the bottle and character to produce when our backs are against the wall, crucial in a series like this. Morgan is a very talented player who will be a test regular, but not yet for me.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

PJ_Poolie wrote:

Plus he scored 80 odd and a 90 odd in the games before the Test, if you asked him he'd probably say he was in good nick. He's got the bottle and character to produce when our backs are against the wall, crucial in a series like this. Morgan is a very talented player who will be a test regular, but not yet for me.

and lets not forget his ability with the ball and in the field.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

PJ_Poolie wrote:

Plus he scored 80 odd and a 90 odd in the games before the Test, if you asked him he'd probably say he was in good nick. He's got the bottle and character to produce when our backs are against the wall, crucial in a series like this. Morgan is a very talented player who will be a test regular, but not yet for me.

and lets not forget his ability with the ball and in the field.

But otherwise, yeah, drop the bastard. :laugh:

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

Good day's play from England and at 220 for 5 I'd say we're right back in it.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:24 am

New ball to come straight away as well, this is going to be a close match.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

chrissafc wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

PJ_Poolie wrote:

Plus he scored 80 odd and a 90 odd in the games before the Test, if you asked him he'd probably say he was in good nick. He's got the bottle and character to produce when our backs are against the wall, crucial in a series like this. Morgan is a very talented player who will be a test regular, but not yet for me.

and lets not forget his ability with the ball and in the field.

his bowling average is 60

I never said he was the next Wasim Akram. My point is that he has ability with the ball and has taken a handful of wickets at test level. He is economic with the ball when he takes the pace of it which could be useful if the Aussies are ever chasing a lead on the final day, especially when we've only gone with 4 main bowlers. He's a good option to have and not many teams will have a bowler of Collingwoods calibre batting at number 5.

It's a further reason why Strauss won't drop him. Luckily Strauss looks at the bigger picture and not just his test scores over the last few games like some.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

MadJohn wrote:

Collingwood is in a bad run of scores in Tests, there's little doubt about that. He's only got past five in two of his last eight knocks. But I'm not too worried. I'd be more worried if he was getting out for 20 odd, getting in and then getting out. He's just had some poor starts, some loose early shots. It happens. It happened to Hussey this morning, but his edge landed just short of slip or he'd have made nought.

But Colly is proven. Before this most recent run he was in excellent form, having sustained an average of around 50 over the previous two years with five or six hundreds and plenty of crucial smaller knocks. He was in good form in the warmup matches and the next Test is at Adelaide where he scored 200 last time. I wouldn't be tempted to drop him.

A good day today. We've gone from being well behind to only being slightly behind, and for a short time this afternoon we were probably ahead in the game. The next session is huge.

Yep, I'm looking forward to the first session already. We need a Graham Onionsesque start.

I'd rather be in the Aussies position but I'd rather have our team so this could still go either way. Take that Siddle over out of the game and I think we've been stronger than them but obviously that is a big 'if'.

At the same stage 4 years ago we were 550 runs behind with 7 wickets left. I think I'd just about settle for our position over that at the moment.

Jonny · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:15 pm

It's stating the obvious to say that we need a good first session but we do. The Aussies will be ahead after the first innings but hopefully only by 25-35 runs. Anything more than that and I think we will struggle to set a big enough target. It was never going to be easy out there...

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:25 pm

chrissafc wrote:

collys recent form

4 - today
0 - pakistan lords 26th aug
3 - pakistan oval 18th aug
5 - pakistan oval 18th aug
28 - pakistan - birmingham - 6th aug
1 - pakistan - trent bridge - 29th july
82 - pakistan - trent bridge - 29th july
0 - bangladseh - dhaka - 20th march
3 - bangladesh - chittagong - 12th march
145 - bangladesh - chittagong - 12th march

Even with that 'poor' form, he averages 27, assuming he was out in all those innings.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

England have the better bowling attack I'd say and I can't see the Aussie tail hanging around too long. A quick wicket upon resumption and England could easily end up having a first innings lead.

It's then over to the batsmen who disappointed in the first innings and allowed Australia back after we'd gotten ourselves into a strong position at 197 for 4. Although I suppose when the bowler takes a hattrick all you can do is shrug your shoulders and say fair enough.

Poolie of Kent · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:29 pm

A very poor start by England in my opinion to this series.

It seems they haven't lived up to much of the hype surrounding them in the media before the series.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

It was a poor start with the bat but I think they've done very well with the ball so far.

It's hardly been a blistering start by the Aussies with the bat has it?

Poolie of Kent · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:47 pm

England did bowl well, but Australia I dont think have needed to be blistering after manage to constrict England in their first innings.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:56 pm

Poolie of Kent wrote:

England did bowl well, but Australia I dont think have needed to be blistering after manage to constrict England in their first innings.

i think its just possible you meant 'restrict' POK :roll:

Poolie of Kent · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:58 pm

No, I did mean "constrict", as in a boa constrictor.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:07 pm

nope, you meant restrict :grin:

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

Poolie of Kent wrote:

England did bowl well, but Australia I dont think have needed to be blistering after manage to constrict England in their first innings.

You're right. Aside from the fact it would put them in a dominant position rather than the one they are in now whereby England could finish the first innings on top :wink:

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:33 am

481?

Job's fked.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Mr Ripper wrote:

481?

Job's fked.

Get 450 and then Swanny will skittle them out on the 5th day wicket. Piece of piss. :coool:

Mr Creosote · **Joined:** Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:05 pm **Posts:** 1887

It wouldnt surprise me if we didnt manage 450 from both innings added toegther. One of the batsmen has to get a big hundred, no excuses. We are supposed to have better bowlers and their batsmen managed it easy enough.

If someone does get a big hundred they need to keep on batting and wlak away with a draw. And get some good batting practice in.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

Superb display from Hussey and Haddin.

England have it all to do.

Warwick Hunt · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:52 am

Only rain can save England now but even if we lose this one there are still 4 tests left. This series is far from over.

Salty · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:55 am

This series is over.

Jonny · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:25 pm

I think last nights cricket showed why umpires should just be there to count the balls and say 'time for tea or drinks'. The umpire should of raised his finger on the second LBW appeal for Hussey, that mistake was very poor. What makes it worse is that England lost a referral when Michael Clarke first came in to bat but he did actually edge the ball. The 2 referral system per innings is not worth having. Surely referrals should be based over a session?

England could of bowled better at times but the shite performaces from the umpires hasn't helped. Hopefully we can snatch a draw from the jaws of defeat...

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

I think referrals should be unlimited for every decision. You could perhaps impose penalty runs for teams using them for no other reason than to be objectionable.

Having seen the highlights it has to be said that England had absolutely no luck during the day. Anderson bowled beautifully and it is very interesting to note that once England took the 6th wicket the tail, as predicted, put up more or less no fight whatsoever. You could of course argue that with a large lead already in place they didn't have to but it just goes to show what a bit of luck could have done for England in the morning session.

Here's hoping for a favourable outcome but it will of course be a massive challenge to save this match now.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

Totally agree.

There's no point having the technology in place if it's not going to remove the mistakes out in the middle.

Having unlimited appeals is surely the only way forward.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:28 pm

The Aussies are all wind and piss, we'll get 550 2nd innings and skittle them out for 250.......job done.

Mr Creosote · **Joined:** Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:05 pm **Posts:** 1887

Well we needed a big innings and we got one.

So Mr Tax, do you think that Swann will complete your prediction tomorrow?

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:59 pm

No realistic chance of England winning other than the Aussies bottling a small chase, the wicket is flat with seven wickets falling over the last two days, nineteen aren't going to fall on day five. The likely winners are still the Aussies. The best the day can go for England is to declare with around 40 overs left then take a few Aussie wickets with us to Adelaide.

Mandy · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:02 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

No realistic chance of England winning other than the Aussies bottling a small chase, the wicket is flat with seven wickets falling over the last two days, nineteen aren't going to fall on day five. The likely winners are still the Aussies. The best the day can go for England is to declare with around 40 overs left then take a few Aussie wickets with us to Adelaide.

Totally disagree that the likely winners are still Aus.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:42 pm

I meant to say the only likely winners, not the likely winners, it's going to be a draw realistically. We are still only 88 ahead, the only realistic result is for us to collapse then them to chase down less than 200. For us to be safe in the game we will have to bat another 50 overs, the wicket is as flat as a wicthes tit you aren't going to bowl a team out in 40 overs.

The bookies are rarely wrong, Aus 12/1 to win, England 18/1.

Jonny · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:58 pm

England have done extremely well to get into an ok situation. It would send a strong message out if all 3 of out top order hit centuries. I think we should bat for at least 60 overs if possible, we should wear their fragile attack down if possible. The Aussies should get a few overs to bat but with no chance of winning the game...

I was watching the Aussie coverage last night and Shane Warne was on there twisting about Stauss not been given out first ball and was questioning the technology. In fact all of the Aussie commentators which included Ian Healy, Michael Slater and Mark Taylor were sulking big style for the second half of the day which was good to hear.

Poolie of Kent · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:13 pm

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

The Aussies are all wind and piss, we'll get 550 2nd innings and skittle them out for 250.......job done.

They're ALWAYS wind and piss. :laugh:

You never get any banter from us in the newspapers, it always seems to be in their press.

parmo · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:00 pm

yet they accuse the Poms of whingeing...oh the irony

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