I thought the Black Police Association was bad enough but this

http://www.gay.police.uk/contact.html

It takes the business.. wouldn't like to think what they do with their truncheons

And I'm guessing all those listed are salaried!!
No wonder the countrys foooking skint:)

I dont see the problem.

Don't see why its needed.. Why does everyone feel the need to "profess" their sexuality. What people do in the bedroom is up to them but they should keep it there.

Anyway what's stopping them just joining a normal "police" association like the masons..

I agree. If I went round the town with a placard saying I love bucking women I'd get locked up.
Hopefully this is another Quango the government will abolish.

So because you dont see why its needed they shouldnt be allowed to have it ?



Not that simple though.
Me & my missus,or you & your missus can go out for a meal,hold hands in the street etc & its no problem,but if 2 blokes (or two women) do it they may well get abused for it.

Simple really,minority groups stick together to try & combat prejudice against them.

Yeah but it's just not right though is it.
Maybe it's old fashioned values but I wouldn't like to think of one of my own kids going the other way.
As long as they keep to themselves it's fine, they are more likely to get knacked if they walk round the streets shouting that they are gay than being discreet.

I agree Groovy, but not on the back of being in the police force or whatever!!! They should simply join a gay rights group - being a policeman/woman has nothing to do with any of that

I don't really see the issue here, this is probably because there isn't one.

'And I'm guessing all those listed are salaried!! No wonder the countrys foooking skint:)'

eh? Whats the GPA got to with money?

'Why does everyone feel the need to "profess" their sexuality'

How are they professing their sexuality? People who are in the group are totally anonymous.

'Hopefully this is another Quango the government will abolish'

I'm intrigued to know why you want the group quashed LT?

Although no doubt I'll get 'accused' of being gay for sticking up for this group, I really just don't see the problem and it's pretty clear to me that those commenting on it don't really know what the GPA are about or do. They've just seen that there is a minority group with a Public organisation and automatically decided that this is costing them money.

A good work friend of mine is a lesbian, it took her several weeks and several glasses of wine before admitting she was a gay (my gaydar actually twigged it after about a day ) but it did make me think how horrible it must have been for her to feel the need to lie to others, and keep her life a secret during that time. Not nice at all. If she could have taken comfort in joining a similar organisation at our place then good luck to her (not that she would), it makes not one IOTA of difference to my life.

Certainly.

Can't fail to agree with you there tax.
What are you doing later you good looking bastard:)
P.S. You don't know owt about siphoning fuel do u

Yer I know that if you put diesel in a petrol car or vice versa then you have to siphon the fuel out and it'll cost you a small fortune.

I don't have a problem with any one and their sexuality (or colour, before anyone asks) that is there choice.

I do have a problem with factions breaking away and creating their own groups.

I was in the F.B.U. for 31 years a union I was proud to be a member of. Over those 31 years "groups" were formed under the guise of "equal opportunities and diversity"

Now there are the Women section, the Black and Ethnic minorities B&EMM) and the Gay and Lesbian Section.

As I have said I don't have a problem with any of those groups, I do have a problem that they have their own group, simply because I couldn't form a "White and Anglo Saxon Members" Yet those groups, and not just within the F.B.U. say they want equality and to be treated similar within the work-place, which they should but why need a group simply for themselves. Everyone is equal so lets all be in the same group, so its the Police Association who work for B&EM and for LGBT, within the Police force. And Unions representing others in different occupations across the country represent their B&EM and LGBT members.

With regards to your Lesbian friend, TPP, the fact she couldn't tell people would probably mean she wouldn't join a gay organisation within her workplace, for the same reason that she makes it known. But there are many organisations which can help anonymously

Stonewall
GLBT National Help Centre
The Trevor Project
Broken rainbow (Helps LGBT who suffer domestic violence)

The list goes on.

And their should always be people who defend those being victimised and bullied.

You don't need a specific group within an organisation for that.

Well that's my opinion.

Not homophobic, just not Politically correct.

Part time Bob seems to know a lot of organisations that keep sexuality confidential it seems

Union Man for 15 years mate.

I'm not the one who was scared to face the bar in a gay pub in Liverpool or go to the toilet. Stood with back against the bar for whole drink.

I fail to see the need for all these organisations. All public service organisations have strict HR policies on equalities. Any discrimination on sexuality grounds would be jumped on and the people manning the HR departments tend to be extreme guardian readers anyway.

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My point exactly Mr I. Some seem to just want to have a dig at people who point it out with crass posts.

Who is discriminating here though? The GPA is open to straight people too

Rodger Roger over and out...

Mr I is not saying anyone is discriminating, he's pointing out that just about every workplace has a HR Dept. these days and it falls within their job description, to crack down on any one who discriminates against other's whether that on race , colour or sexual orientation.

As I said why do some feel the need to form "breakaway" groups within groups. Some like your friend find it difficult to "come out" others don't (good for them) but the organisation they work for should be the one's who protect them.

I'll acept that there may not be a need for this organisation,but the fact that it has members shows that people want to be part of it so why shouldnt they be.
Sometimes you have issues that only someone in a similar position can relate to.

I just see it as a place for like minded people to meet and discuss issues they may have encountered. It affects no-one else at all so whats the issue?

Similar to the Mill House on a matchday. But with less poofs.

Well said

Oh aye, cos we are really short of homosexual organisations.

Well I don't know of any other than the GPA so that shows how little affect they are having on my life.

If I could be bothered I'd use google to give you a ten page list.

Nice simile.

What happens though TPP and as a union man for 15 years it creates divisions, a "us" and "them" attitude. I've seen it and had to defend it. Once that happens then things become difficult.

All you've done there is say that all minority groups cause problems and create divisions. This isn't the case with the GPA as they keep themselves to themselves.

I suggest going away and reading up on the GPA and then see if you know what you're talking about. I read an article on them not so long back and it makes you realise how little a problem the organisation is.

It's the same as saying 'all those fans in the Mill House go to the match and start fights, I saw these Leeds fans doing it on the news last week'. Isn't it?

No I'm saying the opposite, it's not the minority who cause the problems it the others who feel threatened by the minority having their own part within the organisation.

The GPA may well keep themselves to themselves but the fact is other officers within the Police force will know that organisation exists, it's them that may cause problems.

Please don't say because they're fellow police officers that some wont be homophobic/racist etc. It happens in all organisations and it not that long ago (circa 2003/04) the police force was described as "institutionally racist". Now it may well have improved (I believe it has before anyone has a go) but there will, in my opinion still be racists in the police and almost certainly homophobes.

It those officers(as we talking about the police) who will create the "them" and "us" scenario.

I was on about all minority groups LGBT/B&EM etc.

So reading about one particular organisation (GPA) is irrelevant to me, the GPA will be the equivalent of the Gay and Lesbian group within the F.B.U. and I've sat on meetings with committee members of that group and discussed many items so I would think they basically the same but in a different organisation. They will have the same beliefs and agenda for their LGBT members..

Well that's not the fooking minority's fault is it?

No it's not mate. We appear to be going around in circles here.

The point I'm trying to make is if one group represents ALL. That,in my opinion, is a better solution.

So the Police association represents ALL Police officers regardless of Race/Religion/Sexual orientation.

The F.B.U. represents All fire-fighters regardless of Race/Religion/ sexual Orientation.

Unite represents ALL its members regardless of Race/religion/Sexual orientation.

And so on.

Unions have rules regarding bullying/ victimisation and harassment, work places have rules for the same. Anyone guilty of it is sacked.

As I said in earlier post if I wanted to form a Anglo Saxon White Blue Eyes Male section, I wouldn't be allowed.

I think we should discuss this over a beer, it less tiring on the fingers, and much more fun.

Mr Mutley...

Picture please!

The original and the best...


Brains!