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Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

offshorepoolie wrote:

I've heard it drives itself... bbolt

and therein lies the root of many many problems.

efanekoku · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 1:16 pm

i've just actually vomitted in the bin under my desk at work at the thought of paying £18 to watch antony sweeney run around a like a f*cking mong again next season.

jesus christ.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 1:18 pm

I'm suprised people aren't up in arms about Power been released!!!! :shock:

efanekoku · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 1:19 pm

hopefully he'll do one far away so we wont have to see his fat red face swanning about the showroom every weekend.

threepintwonder · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 1:20 pm

MutleyRules wrote:

I'm suprised people aren't up in arms about Power been released!!!! :shock:

adg will be topping his self was'nt he chairman of the power fan club :laugh:

efanekoku · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 1:26 pm

all he's done is postpone our relegation to league 2 for another season. Cant wait to give 4/6 points away again to the likes of yeovil and exeter again next season.

mettyswinge · **Joined:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:34 am **Posts:** 4

im not getting a season ticket next season now, wasnt sure until today.

The sooner the below '4 idiots' leave the better!

turner out!
west out!
green out!
hodcroft out!

My years of supporting hartlepool united have come down to this.

jish · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 1:33 pm

Are you related to Betty Swollocks?

mettyswinge · **Joined:** Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:34 am **Posts:** 4

shes my wife, i dont like her tho.

monkeyhanger1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:40 pm **Posts:** 112

poolie bri wrote:

at turners talk in at rovers club last august
he told us he had a plan for mackay and we would
see it in the new year ??????????

Yes he is going to turn him into a car park - any day now :laugh:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

No season ticket for me next year. Might not even bother going to be honest. Club has turned into an even bigger joke and those at the top couldnt give a shiny fuck that they are sending this club to the dogs.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 4:28 pm

Sweeney has been crap for at least three years, Jones was crap for 45 minutes at Yeovil.

One gets an extension the other gets binned.

I could have told you what order this would be in, in about February.

Turner can't spot a footballer, he can't get the best out of talented players who sometimes need a bit of leadership, and he only rewards people who tow the party line regardless of performance.

Our club is being ruined by clueless management and I dread to think what the crowds will be like next season if something isn't done about it. What sort of message does the releasing of Rowell send out to the other kids coming through?

Good luck to Ben Clark but I'd have released him but he's a Pools player I’ve always liked and will always be well received at the Vic I'm sure. I hope Rowell (when he inevitably finds a league club) makes Turner look like an absolutely clueless tit.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 4:28 pm

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

No season ticket for me next year. Might not even bother going to be honest. Club has turned into an even bigger joke and those at the top couldnt give a shiny f*** that they are sending this club to the dogs.

Mr Ripper wrote:

poolsdonkey wrote:

How many of you arent getting season tickets now? Is it really worth it to watch that garbage again?

Or alternatively you could wait to make that decision when you see who might replace the released players.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22681

Rippers right, Turners track record in signing players surely gives you confidence.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 9:08 pm

chip fireball wrote:

did sam collins get a new contract as reward for his creepy interview in the mail on monday i wonder ?

the one where he said the manager was great and the fans were shyte ?

it certainly wasnt in recognition of the goals against column this season.

or the season before come to think of it. :roll:

I thought we all liked big Sam because their lass was ill last year, or am I mistaken?

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 9:31 pm

What I find strange is the first thing the acting Manager and First Team Captain said after Saturdays game was that we needed new players in to make us tougher, more solid, and less naive.

So we've kept on players who are meek and unaggressive at the expense of others with a bit of edge?

Maybe most of the mentioned players kept on will make up the basis of the reserves team next season, as for example I can't think who will play central defence and midfield for them?

durhamian · **Joined:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:57 pm **Posts:** 103

I read Collins's interview and he said Turner "had done an excellant Job this season" rolfl

.

Collins has been very quiet for a Captain both on and off the pitch but when his contract is due to end he suddenly finds his voice

Gutted Rowell has been released, but when you consider Turner give the likes of Larkin a long term deal it doesn't surprise me. Sweeney has again been ineffective, even Turner realised that and dropped him, but he's given him another deal

I think Turner released Clark as he was probably on a decent wage and he wants Hartley to succeed as its another one of his signings.

I honestly think if Boyd's deal was up he'd have released him as he doesn't seem to like flair players

Jonny · **Posted:** Wed May 12, 2010 11:53 pm

Where is that clown picture?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 12:44 pm

MadJohn wrote:

OK I may be swimming against the tide here, but I would have offered both Sam Collins and Ritchie Humphreys a year each. I actually wouldn't say that Collins has had a poor season; I would describe it as a decent season, with some poor games. Those poor games tend to stick in the memory as we can recall scenes of him being done for pace, but that's hardly been the norm in most games. Up to Christmas he was generally accepted as having been one of our better performers. I thought his form tailed off a little after Christmas, and he had a few stinkers, but he still produced some good performances. I thought he was excellent at Orient and Millwall for example. We need better cover at centre half. Hopefully we will sign a left back (we MUST do that regardless) to allow Hartley to properly compete with Liddle and Collins for a centre back shirt. I would have no problem if Hartley established himself and forged a partnership with Liddle, with big Sam as cover.

I am waiting to see what the summer break will do for Joe Gamble. He looked a very good signing when he arrived but fell away alarmingly towards the end of the season. Hopefully it was just fatigue and he can reestablish himself. If he doesn't then I would be terrified to think that Gamble and Humphreys could be our first choice midfield two. If Gamble can recapture his best form he could move ahead of Humphreys in the pecking order, and I would hope he could be paired with a younger workhorse with a goal threat. Something like what Antony Sweeney provided us with in 2004/05. Humphreys would remain a good bench player and provide cover for a few positions.

I can buy into that argument.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Mr Ripper wrote:

MadJohn wrote:

OK I may be swimming against the tide here, but I would have offered both Sam Collins and Ritchie Humphreys a year each. I actually wouldn't say that Collins has had a poor season; I would describe it as a decent season, with some poor games. Those poor games tend to stick in the memory as we can recall scenes of him being done for pace, but that's hardly been the norm in most games. Up to Christmas he was generally accepted as having been one of our better performers. I thought his form tailed off a little after Christmas, and he had a few stinkers, but he still produced some good performances. I thought he was excellent at Orient and Millwall for example. We need better cover at centre half. Hopefully we will sign a left back (we MUST do that regardless) to allow Hartley to properly compete with Liddle and Collins for a centre back shirt. I would have no problem if Hartley established himself and forged a partnership with Liddle, with big Sam as cover.

I am waiting to see what the summer break will do for Joe Gamble. He looked a very good signing when he arrived but fell away alarmingly towards the end of the season. Hopefully it was just fatigue and he can reestablish himself. If he doesn't then I would be terrified to think that Gamble and Humphreys could be our first choice midfield two. If Gamble can recapture his best form he could move ahead of Humphreys in the pecking order, and I would hope he could be paired with a younger workhorse with a goal threat. Something like what Antony Sweeney provided us with in 2004/05. Humphreys would remain a good bench player and provide cover for a few positions.

I can buy into that argument.

Does that mean you'd have released Sweeney, MJ?

If you knew Richie was going to used sparingly next season then I'd have no problems with it but you just worry this isn't going to be the case.

Collins seems to perform in games where the opposition make it easy for him. Long aimless balls to their centre forwards or strikers that are shyte in the air. When he comes up against anything with a little bit extra he struggles and is made to look like a carthorse.

I still think there is a good player in Gamble and like you say, he definitely needs a partner as at times he has been carrying others around him.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 1:32 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

MadJohn wrote:

OK I may be swimming against the tide here, but I would have offered both Sam Collins and Ritchie Humphreys a year each. I actually wouldn't say that Collins has had a poor season; I would describe it as a decent season, with some poor games. Those poor games tend to stick in the memory as we can recall scenes of him being done for pace, but that's hardly been the norm in most games. Up to Christmas he was generally accepted as having been one of our better performers. I thought his form tailed off a little after Christmas, and he had a few stinkers, but he still produced some good performances. I thought he was excellent at Orient and Millwall for example. We need better cover at centre half. Hopefully we will sign a left back (we MUST do that regardless) to allow Hartley to properly compete with Liddle and Collins for a centre back shirt. I would have no problem if Hartley established himself and forged a partnership with Liddle, with big Sam as cover.

I am waiting to see what the summer break will do for Joe Gamble. He looked a very good signing when he arrived but fell away alarmingly towards the end of the season. Hopefully it was just fatigue and he can reestablish himself. If he doesn't then I would be terrified to think that Gamble and Humphreys could be our first choice midfield two. If Gamble can recapture his best form he could move ahead of Humphreys in the pecking order, and I would hope he could be paired with a younger workhorse with a goal threat. Something like what Antony Sweeney provided us with in 2004/05. Humphreys would remain a good bench player and provide cover for a few positions.

I can buy into that argument.

Me too, BUT do you not think Humphries will be on a very good wage to be sat on the bench. I'd sooner use them wages to bring in a younger player with potential. Our team are not a bunch of kids are they so the argument about having an older head as cover isnt so valid.

Mumtaz's rucksack · **Joined:** Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:38 pm **Posts:** 1643

Totally agree.
It all points to bad management and he's just being allowed to continue.
Hopefully not for much longer.

HUFC Poolie · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 2:55 pm

chip fireball wrote:

jones hasnt played to his full potential under turner and decided he was going in january.

who has played to their potential ?

the keeper who is coached by george wood, and neil austin who doesnt rate the manager.

possibly liddle ?

the rest of them seem to have slipped into a comfort zone whereby they turn up one week in 3 and the rest of the time cant be arsed. and they get away with it because nobody is making them accountable. some of the performances last season were simply unacceptable ( grimsby kettering, yeovil, millwall, wycombe, walsall ) but instead of rooting out the offenders turner simply seems to be saying carry on while i make jones the scapegoat.

i wish i could get 50k+ a year for going through the motions and doing a bit of badge kissing.

I may have read that wrong but.. George wood has not been with us for a full season.. GK coach is Gary Walsh

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 3:05 pm

chip fireball wrote:

jones hasnt played to his full potential under turner and decided he was going in january.

who has played to their potential ?

the keeper who is coached by george wood, and neil austin who doesnt rate the manager.

possibly liddle ?

the rest of them seem to have slipped into a comfort zone whereby they turn up one week in 3 and the rest of the time cant be arsed. and they get away with it because nobody is making them accountable. some of the performances last season were simply unacceptable ( grimsby kettering, yeovil, millwall, wycombe, walsall ) but instead of rooting out the offenders turner simply seems to be saying carry on while i make jones the scapegoat.

i wish i could get 50k+ a year for going through the motions and doing a bit of badge kissing.

George Wood left over a year ago

hth

Hangem · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 3:09 pm

Think he means Gary Walsh.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 3:25 pm

H99 wrote:

Think he means Gary Walsh.

Righto

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 3:32 pm

chip fireball wrote:

wait until the next time one of you f*Ckers makes a typo . rage

A typo?

To be fair they do have the same initials. rolfl

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 5:00 pm

I am glad Jones is leaving, it seems he couldnt give a toss about Pools.
Bet he scores against us sometime though!

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12395

Apart from my surprise that Mackay was still on the books, I have tried not to comment too much on the retained list.
I must say that I would have kept Jones and Rowell, if for nothing more than their potential to improve as against other midfielders, who we have kept, in whom I can't see any improvement.
However I get the impression that Jones had already made up his mind to go, so que sera sera on that one.

Until the owners change their collective mind on Turner, we have him as acting manager. There is nothing we can do about that other than non attendance. I had every intention not to renew my season ticket if we had gone down, but now I am prepared to renew for another season and take it from there.

My head tells me that I shouldn't be doing this but my heart just can't abandon my team after all these years, even though I am convinced that Turner will eventually take us down.

What a dilemma.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

If Turner is in charge for the majority of next season then there is virtually no doubt in my mind that we will go down. There is surely no way that we can be as lucky as we have been in the last two seasons for a third season in a row.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12395

Unfortunately I think you are right Mr Bramstein.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 8:52 pm

funnily enough, i don't

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

I admire your optimism and I hope to be proven wrong.

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Thu May 13, 2010 10:01 pm

How do the players feel about the retained list? Whenever a new player comes into the squad, we hear how brilliant the camaraderie, togetherness, craic, whatever you want to call it is. But on the other hand Turner is picking players who are not fit to lace the boots of others being left out. Surely the two situations could not have been working alongside each other? Have Jones and Rowell been saying well done lads to their team mates keeping them out of the starting line up, or has there been a seething mass of resentment bubbling away on the training ground? Do all of the squad worship at the feet of the Player of the Century, or are they still muttering to each other about his put downs on camera during the away trip to Charlton?

Answers on a postcard to :-

The Bunker,
Home of all curious Poolies,
Wherever they may be.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

I'm living in hope that Turner will be replaced at some point before the season starts. Alternatively I would simply like the club to explain why they are not replacing him rather then letting us discuss the various possibilities amongst ourselves. Keeping him on simlpy beggars belief given what has happened so far and so, therefore, I feel the fans are at least owed an explanation.

And just to add some positive news to this post, am very pleased to see that James Brown extended his contract. Well done Pools :grin:

parmopooly · **Posted:** Fri May 14, 2010 8:56 am

if he wasn't staying on, it wouldn't make sense for him to do the retained list. Not looking good is it?

Compo · **Posted:** Fri May 14, 2010 9:26 am

parmopooly wrote:

if he wasn't staying on, it wouldn't make sense for him to do the retained list. Not looking good is it?

So who would do it then? Doesnt the retained list need to be in by the end of this month?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri May 14, 2010 9:43 am

Compo wrote:

parmopooly wrote:

if he wasn't staying on, it wouldn't make sense for him to do the retained list. Not looking good is it?

So who would do it then? Doesnt the retained list need to be in by the end of this month?

By the end of this week.

Pooliegan · **Joined:** Fri May 14, 2010 6:13 pm **Posts:** 624

Genuinely disappointed Clarkys gone. Was a wee bit surprised like. Wish him well.

The others im not bothered about though, Jonesy is lazy and thinks hes a superstar

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sat May 15, 2010 9:28 am

Pooliegan wrote:

Genuinely disappointed Clarkys gone. Was a wee bit surprised like. Wish him well.

The others im not bothered about though, Jonesy is lazy and thinks hes a superstar

Jones had a fit lass. Typical :evil:

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