If we finish in a respectable position and keep the better players in the squad over the summer and add some quality to the side then yes i would be happy to stick with Turner. Lets think about this at the end of the season though maybe or when we are mathematically safe. For now, all we can do is get behind the team as much as possible which could be a big factor in us finishing in a half decent postition:

Final Position Prediction: 15th!

Lets think about saturday first we play a Millwall team that have won 7 of their last 10 games loosing only twice and drawing once, hopefully we can get a draw.

Whoever is in charge I'd still go.
I think it's been proved this season and in previous seasons that turner will never make the cut as a manager.

forgive him?? people forget what he did for this club he got the ball rolling and stopped us being a joke club. yes results have not been good but for me staying in this league finishing 5th bottom will be success. can you remember the 80's getting beat off doncaster 6-0 going to york getting beat 7-1 that was bad. some people have only started supporting us when turner first came and have known nothing but playoffs , promotions etc we are in the most competitve league 1 in history playing against clubs with 20000+ crowds we have to be realistic.

i,ll always go to pools home and away but i want ct to go

i want him to go now even if he took us in the championship
i dont believe in going back to your old club

Totally agree. People are too quick to forget what the bloke has done for this club. We are one of the smallest clubs in this league. FACT. We should not be in the top half fighting with clubs for play offs who get crowds of 15,000 - 20,000 each week. People have to be realistic and expectations should be to stay in this league, anything better is a bonus! We would all like Hartlepool to be up there fighting for promotion / play offs but at the end of the day, its not going to happen when the league is as strong as it is!

People don't FORGET what he did for the club,people REMEMBER what's happening now.

I have always said I will respect him for what he did, but it's WHAT HE DOES NOW that matter's

WHY SHOULDN'T WE BE IN THE TOP HALF ????????

We were in 2003/04 and 2004/05 but if the 9 on the end of your name is your actual age you wont remember them seasons.

Should Yeovil be only outside top half on goal difference ???? Should we be above them ????? Do they get crowds of 15-20,000.

If your happy with 5th bottom then there is something wrong with you. I'm not asking for the title, Im asking that a team ,TURNERS team, as 15 signings make it Turner's team should be doing better than we are.

Gillingham 0 wins in 16 away from home get a point off us, add 2 more points to our tally it puts us 5 clear of the bottom 4 and 4 clear of Gillingham instead of 1.

It's dropped points like that that get people's back up.

Turner will not get Pools into the Championship as long as I have a hole in my arse

not in my opinion no he doesnt stand a chance
like i said dont believe in going back

There's nothing I'd like to see more than Turner succeed as Pools manager. I'd love it if he could get us playing attractive football and challenging in the top half of the League One table, anything after that being a bonus.

But then again I've not stopped going to games because Turner is the manager, so maybe I'm not the target audience for the question.

like I've said on another board - it's time for everyone to set aside resentment - me included - and get behind the team
My annoyance is the fact that Pools could have had their pick of many better bosses but their choice of Turner is infuriating to say the least - but the side HAS to stay up
If Pools go down it will be a while before we returned (unless of course we had a decent boss)

In short - if Pools survive but then stick with Turner - I can't see me attending many matches next season.

The most hypothetical situation of the lot is the assumption that after 7 years of getting it all wrong, Turner is somehow now going to start to get it all right

i think the main problem would be Turner realising his mistakes, both in signings and it tactics.

Managers also need an assistant who compliments their style. One who can improve the managers weaknesses.

For example if Turner was a good man-manager but wasn't the best tactically, then his assistant should be someone who IS good tactically.

I think the management duo at the moment haven't got the right blend or skill base to do the job to a suitable level.

IF Turner were to stay then i would suggest another coach coming in to either replace West as number 2, or to add to the current management team.

But, i will still go no matter who is in charge, how good the football is or what level we are at...Simply because i love Pools with all my heart.

That sums it up Mick.
I cant believe that there are a very few who would actually like him to stay.
After he slagged the fans off.
After signing about 100 players and still not getting a balanced team.
The only way we can move forward is by getting a new manager in.
Oh, and having a clear out of the dross turner has signed.

Yes, he walked out on us.

However, i'll support pools whoever is in charge.

The hypothetical bit

Speaking hypothetically of course.

yes he walked out...to the only club in the league he would have gone too...and remember where we were when he went 14 points clear at the top!!

all im saying is we had a good manager in danny wilson who also got absolutely tortured off some of our fans..a couple of wins and he will be the best thing ever !! very fickle supporters we have i know all clubs are the same but like the other night blokes stood behind me whingeing when it went 1-1 then when we wnt 2-1 up said that we didnt deserve it and where not even celebrating the goal

and then stockport were he fecked that up

are you 100% sure we were that many points clear

We were nowhere near that many points clear.
Newell gave us that advantage:)

I think we were four points clear when he left.

On the hypothetical question.
If he kept us up that would be a start..........but only that. If he then progressed us into a solid league one team with an eye on progressing even f..........................nah I just can't see it.
Sorry Dibbs...there are too many ifs involved here.

eloquently put as always Chip

I'd be more than happy for Pools to succeed under Chris Turner (Robert Mugabe could be in charge if we were doing well for all I fooking care), I'd love him to prove me wrong and I'd love people on here and mates I go to games with to turn around and said 'remember when you used to call Turner worse than shyte'. I'd have no problems holding my hands up and saying I got it wrong. So that answers your question.

I don't need to 'forgive' him for anything. He doesn't mean to be a shyte football manager...he just is.

However, I fully expect this season to be the 3rd season where Chris Turner will be managing a team that is fighting off relegation. It's not a coincedence.

With the backing he was given a year ago last January and during the Summer we shouldn't have avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth and we shouldn't be in a relegation fight now. But because of an awful mismanagement of resources, tactical ignorance and a lack of motivational skills we are fighting for our lives. Again.

You see, I knew after Tuesdays result that support for him would suddenly grow. I will admit it was a good result (I felt it flattered us a bit and Carlisle were truly dreadful and their keeper gifted us two goals like). Suddenly people are posting that he deserves credit etc but IMO I dont believe any pools manager I have ever seen would have done as badly given the resources, patience and financial backing CT has had. Those who suddenly think we have turned the corner are mad. We may actually manage to stay up and may win a few games between now and the end of the season but its hardly progress and given the amount of backing Ct has had a relegation scrap amounts to failure in my eyes.

With a similar backing, I think 99% of other football league managers would have us higher up the table than the loser currently in charge. Anyone who thinks merely staying up is success is deluded.

so boiled down the question is if Turner was more successful would we be ok with him being in charge?
I would say yes to that, sadly though he isn't

thats the same for any manager though isn't it?

and thats why people want Turner out, because he doesn't win enough games

He just doesnt seem the same person that he was during his first spell. Back then he had the team playing great football, he talked like he had passion and purpose and he actually sounded like a decent manager with a good rapport with the media and fans. Its all changed. I think the pressure may have just got to him over the years unfortunately. Back then I was pretty happy with him as boss but I think he (and our club) made a huge mistake in him returning.

Lots of people say that you should never go back to an former club. I dont really go for superstition but that saying seems to really carry some truth in football.

ps, Howay Dibble, what is your response to the hypothetical question?

okay, heres a question for you.

are you on crack ?

are you fooking daft??

I'm not on crack but I am daft!!

thats two questions

If he turns it around i would be more than happy to eat my words.

IF and BUTs time will tell.

Getting the lost 2000 is more of a problem.

In Management the shelf life is short. For example Greg Abbott has recently got Carlisle to Wembley, a marvellous achievement, yet their fan's want him out as the league forms gone t.ts-up.
People such as Dario Gradi are complete one-offs.

sorry pools where 4 points clear

I think it would take an awful lot for myself and some others to accept him. I have seen enough of him to realise that he isnt up to the job so unless he gets a brain transplant, I would sooner get someone in who knew what they were doing. He has burnt his bridges as far as im concerned.

ps, cracking signature Dibble

Does it matter who is in charge? They will either be shite or not fit in and be sacked seemingly at random. I have little or no faith in the abiltity of Hodcroft to appoint a decent manager, we sacked wilson who has shown how shite he is at Swindon and Sacked Cooper who was also shite and did nothing but get his side playing some of the best football ever seen at the vic for years missed out on promotion to the championship and was sacked just before he could secure the trip to Cardiff as a second prize.

Then again an awful lot of people walked out of the millenium stadium calling for Scotty to be given the job, that worked well for us.

Hypothetically, if he turned it around, I'd want to have his babies.

Realistically, if he turned it around, there'd still be people who claim to be supporters queueing up to shit on his children.

Such is the life of the Pools manager. Understand and move on.

Wilson had taken us as far as he could and it has since come out on another thread that he didn't seem to be 100% committed to Pools anyway. Cooper wasn't sacked on the basis of results on the pitch.

At the time Scott seemed to be the logical choice. Done well with the youth team, was Cooper's assistant - on paper he looked right for the job. Unfortunately none of us have the benefit of hindsight.

CT is obviously a decent bloke who has Pools at heart & is well favoured by IOR which shows in their backing & support of him.
However, his stats as a manager both at Pools & the various clubs he's managed at speak for themselves.

Essentially, they're shyte.

If you don't believe me check them out.

I have no problem with CT being kicked back upstairs where he should have stayed "directing " things but I don't want him managing the first team long-term.

There's been a lot of shyte on the Bunker about Wilson not being committed to Pools with fook all evidence.
Think we have to accept that the club made a huge mistake getting rid of him.

Footy is a results buisness.
As for Wilson versus Turner & a few others besides Go Compare. Look at the stats & the facts not some mis-perception clouded by time & too much cheap lager.

As for who should replace Turner I don't know. I would have said Peter Taylor before he went to Bradford.

I fear however that we're stuck with Turner whatever we think with relegation a distinct possibility.
I sincerely hope CT keeps us up & takes the club onto much better things next season.

I don't think however that will happen.

Prove me wrong CT!!

a) WE DIDN'T GET RID OF HIM
b) HE WANTED TO LEAVE
c) HE TOUTED HIMSELF TO SWINDON A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE HE WENT

maybe theres no official documentation to prove it, but theres no documentation to prove why Newell went, or Cooper, or Scott......but we all know enough to know why.

The old Wilson saga. Wison to me, was like the man in the black and white fillums who saw the alien first, who realised he was manager of Pools and it had come to this. He had no rapport with the fans and always struck me as someone brought into do a job till a supposedly better job came along, the engine was always running and one ear cocked for the call to greener pastures. He did a job, but always appeared vaguely distant, a man marking time.